Kansas is #1

btpage0630 · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 25

I am sick of so called "analysts" refusing to actually analyze the
game. LSU has more quality wins than any other team! Let's look at
those quality wins, shall we?

Florida 8-4. A more overrated team in recent history, I do not
recall. Florida's chief claim for quality wins are over Tennessee
(who lost to an average Cal team) and Kentucky (8-5). Not exactly
what I would call premier teams or premier wins. Anybody else with
any caliber that they played, they lost. Florida is an average team
that is way overrated this year. Is Florida a quality win? Barely, a
top caliber win? No way.

Auburn 9-4. We could call Auburn a good team even though they lost to
Mississippi St AND South Florida. Their quality win is over, yep, see
above, Florida. Not much of resume really, and they lost their big
games. Wins over Tennessee Tech (4-7 in a lower division), Vanderbilt
(5-7), MIssissippi (3-9), Kansas St (5-7), and New Mexico St (4-9), do
tend to pad the schedule a tad. Maybe Auburn is a quality win, but
only if you buy in hook line and sinker to the SEC is king mentality,
and then you have to be a complete homer to swallow it all the way.

Tennessee 10-4. Do we see a pattern here? LSU beats teams that have
been beaten at least 3 other times, is this really the killer schedule
everyone wants us to believe? Losses to an average Florida, a 7-6 Cal
team, and a 7-6 Alabama team, certainly call into question just how
good Tennessee was this year. They beat Georgia pretty soundly, but
just squeaked by South Carolina (6-6) and Kentucky (8-5). So their
whole hype is really a win over Georgia. I'm not sure I buy that.

Ohio St 11-2. I'm not sure even this was thier highest quality
opponent, but let's look at Ohio St. They lose to LSU and Illinois.
We already know Illinois got hammered by U$C in their bowl game, lost
to Missouri and Iowa and Michigan. Ohio St's quality wins are Penn St
and Michigan and Wisconsin, all 4 loss teams. Despite this, their
record going into the game is 11-1 and clearly this does make a
quality win and even a high quality win.

Virginia Tech 11-3. This, in my mind is the highest quality opponent
LSU beat, and to be fair, they throttled them. V-Tech's other losses
are close ones to Kansas (12-1) and Boston College (11-3). V-Tech
doesn't have a whole lot in the way of quality wins, but avenging
their loss to Boston College was a big one, and Clemson and Virginia
are their others.

Now, more importantly than these "quality wins" we have to look at
missed opportunities for LSU. Who did they lose to? Did LSU lose in
the lights of the SEC championship? No. Did they lose to their arch
rival in a rivalry game? No. LSU lost to Kentucky and AT HOME to
Arkansas. Kentucky and Arkansas are middle of the road teams in
ranking and in record. We aren't talking ONE loss, or a fluke, we are
talking TWO losses, neither of which are to a premier team.

Now, let's look at Kansas. The biggest gripe is their lack of quality
wins. I concede that charge, but still, let's look at their wins.

Central Michigan Oh no, it's a directional school!!!! No one should
take them seriously. Okay, so they got beat by Purdue (8-5) in their
bowl game as well as the regular season and also lost to some lower
tier teams. I'm not going to equate this team with anyone in the SEC,
but their record was 8-6, and Kansas didn't beat them in a close game,
they beat them 52-7.

Oklahoma St and Texas A&M. Sure we can talk about them beating up on
the loser teams of the big 12 north, but they did also have wins
against these two. Both are 7-6, one giving a run with one of Ohio
St's QUALITY opponents.

Virginia Tech. So this is the one quality win that Kansas has that
can be looked at as a premier win. If it counts for LSU, it has to
count for Kansas.

Clearly with looking at only wins, LSU has a decided advantage over
Kansas, but as pointed out above, LSU's quality wins are inflated a
bit and the gap, while substantial is not the gigantic gorge that the
media is stuffing down our throats.

Now let's look at losses.

ONE loss to 12-2 Missouri, a team that beat the stuffing out of
Arkansas (ooh, they beat LSU didn't they?) in a rivalry game in
Arrowhead Stadium. Missouri is a bonafide top 10 team and is head and
shoulders above Kentucky AND Arkansas. There is no question that 1
loss is better than 2 and no question as to the quality of the
opponent. Kansas won the games they were supposed to, beat a good
Virginia Tech team, and had one mishap to a top 10 if not top 5 team.

The AP ranking Kansas at #7 is absolutely 100% ridiculous and out of
touch with how the season unfolded.

Kansas is my #1 team and I'm sticking with it.

Brent

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Jon Enslin · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 72

On Jan 8, 11:19 am, btpage0...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I am sick of so called "analysts" refusing to actually analyze the
> game. LSU has more quality wins than any other team! Let's look at
> those quality wins, shall we?
>
> Florida 8-4. A more overrated team in recent history, I do not
> recall. Florida's chief claim for quality wins are over Tennessee
> (who lost to an average Cal team) and Kentucky (8-5). Not exactly
> what I would call premier teams or premier wins. Anybody else with
> any caliber that they played, they lost. Florida is an average team
> that is way overrated this year. Is Florida a quality win? Barely, a
> top caliber win? No way.
>
> Auburn 9-4. We could call Auburn a good team even though they lost to
> Mississippi St AND South Florida. Their quality win is over, yep, see
> above, Florida. Not much of resume really, and they lost their big
> games. Wins over Tennessee Tech (4-7 in a lower division), Vanderbilt
> (5-7), MIssissippi (3-9), Kansas St (5-7), and New Mexico St (4-9), do
> tend to pad the schedule a tad. Maybe Auburn is a quality win, but
> only if you buy in hook line and sinker to the SEC is king mentality,
> and then you have to be a complete homer to swallow it all the way.
>
> Tennessee 10-4. Do we see a pattern here? LSU beats teams that have
> been beaten at least 3 other times, is this really the killer schedule
> everyone wants us to believe? Losses to an average Florida, a 7-6 Cal
> team, and a 7-6 Alabama team, certainly call into question just how
> good Tennessee was this year. They beat Georgia pretty soundly, but
> just squeaked by South Carolina (6-6) and Kentucky (8-5). So their
> whole hype is really a win over Georgia. I'm not sure I buy that.
>
> Ohio St 11-2. I'm not sure even this was thier highest quality
> opponent, but let's look at Ohio St. They lose to LSU and Illinois.
> We already know Illinois got hammered by U$C in their bowl game, lost
> to Missouri and Iowa and Michigan. Ohio St's quality wins are Penn St
> and Michigan and Wisconsin, all 4 loss teams. Despite this, their
> record going into the game is 11-1 and clearly this does make a
> quality win and even a high quality win.
>
> Virginia Tech 11-3. This, in my mind is the highest quality opponent
> LSU beat, and to be fair, they throttled them. V-Tech's other losses
> are close ones to Kansas (12-1) and Boston College (11-3). V-Tech
> doesn't have a whole lot in the way of quality wins, but avenging
> their loss to Boston College was a big one, and Clemson and Virginia
> are their others.
>
> Now, more importantly than these "quality wins" we have to look at
> missed opportunities for LSU. Who did they lose to? Did LSU lose in
> the lights of the SEC championship? No. Did they lose to their arch
> rival in a rivalry game? No. LSU lost to Kentucky and AT HOME to
> Arkansas. Kentucky and Arkansas are middle of the road teams in
> ranking and in record. We aren't talking ONE loss, or a fluke, we are
> talking TWO losses, neither of which are to a premier team.
>
> Now, let's look at Kansas. The biggest gripe is their lack of quality
> wins. I concede that charge, but still, let's look at their wins.
>
> Central Michigan Oh no, it's a directional school!!!! No one should
> take them seriously. Okay, so they got beat by Purdue (8-5) in their
> bowl game as well as the regular season and also lost to some lower
> tier teams. I'm not going to equate this team with anyone in the SEC,
> but their record was 8-6, and Kansas didn't beat them in a close game,
> they beat them 52-7.
>
> Oklahoma St and Texas A&M. Sure we can talk about them beating up on
> the loser teams of the big 12 north, but they did also have wins
> against these two. Both are 7-6, one giving a run with one of Ohio
> St's QUALITY opponents.
>
> Virginia Tech. So this is the one quality win that Kansas has that
> can be looked at as a premier win. If it counts for LSU, it has to
> count for Kansas.
>
> Clearly with looking at only wins, LSU has a decided advantage over
> Kansas, but as pointed out above, LSU's quality wins are inflated a
> bit and the gap, while substantial is not the gigantic gorge that the
> media is stuffing down our throats.
>
> Now let's look at losses.
>
> ONE loss to 12-2 Missouri, a team that beat the stuffing out of
> Arkansas (ooh, they beat LSU didn't they?) in a rivalry game in
> Arrowhead Stadium. Missouri is a bonafide top 10 team and is head and
> shoulders above Kentucky AND Arkansas. There is no question that 1
> loss is better than 2 and no question as to the quality of the
> opponent. Kansas won the games they were supposed to, beat a good
> Virginia Tech team, and had one mishap to a top 10 if not top 5 team.
>
> The AP ranking Kansas at #7 is absolutely 100% ridiculous and out of
> touch with how the season unfolded.
>
> Kansas is my #1 team and I'm sticking with it.

Florida isn't a quality win but Central Michigan is?

Stinky.

Jon

btpage0630 · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 25

On Jan 8, 12:28 pm, Jon Enslin wrote:
> On Jan 8, 11:19 am, btpage0...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I am sick of so called "analysts" refusing to actually analyze the
> > game. LSU has more quality wins than any other team! Let's look at
> > those quality wins, shall we?
>
> > Florida 8-4. A more overrated team in recent history, I do not
> > recall. Florida's chief claim for quality wins are over Tennessee
> > (who lost to an average Cal team) and Kentucky (8-5). Not exactly
> > what I would call premier teams or premier wins. Anybody else with
> > any caliber that they played, they lost. Florida is an average team
> > that is way overrated this year. Is Florida a quality win? Barely, a
> > top caliber win? No way.
>
> > Auburn 9-4. We could call Auburn a good team even though they lost to
> > Mississippi St AND South Florida. Their quality win is over, yep, see
> > above, Florida. Not much of resume really, and they lost their big
> > games. Wins over Tennessee Tech (4-7 in a lower division), Vanderbilt
> > (5-7), MIssissippi (3-9), Kansas St (5-7), and New Mexico St (4-9), do
> > tend to pad the schedule a tad. Maybe Auburn is a quality win, but
> > only if you buy in hook line and sinker to the SEC is king mentality,
> > and then you have to be a complete homer to swallow it all the way.
>
> > Tennessee 10-4. Do we see a pattern here? LSU beats teams that have
> > been beaten at least 3 other times, is this really the killer schedule
> > everyone wants us to believe? Losses to an average Florida, a 7-6 Cal
> > team, and a 7-6 Alabama team, certainly call into question just how
> > good Tennessee was this year. They beat Georgia pretty soundly, but
> > just squeaked by South Carolina (6-6) and Kentucky (8-5). So their
> > whole hype is really a win over Georgia. I'm not sure I buy that.
>
> > Ohio St 11-2. I'm not sure even this was thier highest quality
> > opponent, but let's look at Ohio St. They lose to LSU and Illinois.
> > We already know Illinois got hammered by U$C in their bowl game, lost
> > to Missouri and Iowa and Michigan. Ohio St's quality wins are Penn St
> > and Michigan and Wisconsin, all 4 loss teams. Despite this, their
> > record going into the game is 11-1 and clearly this does make a
> > quality win and even a high quality win.
>
> > Virginia Tech 11-3. This, in my mind is the highest quality opponent
> > LSU beat, and to be fair, they throttled them. V-Tech's other losses
> > are close ones to Kansas (12-1) and Boston College (11-3). V-Tech
> > doesn't have a whole lot in the way of quality wins, but avenging
> > their loss to Boston College was a big one, and Clemson and Virginia
> > are their others.
>
> > Now, more importantly than these "quality wins" we have to look at
> > missed opportunities for LSU. Who did they lose to? Did LSU lose in
> > the lights of the SEC championship? No. Did they lose to their arch
> > rival in a rivalry game? No. LSU lost to Kentucky and AT HOME to
> > Arkansas. Kentucky and Arkansas are middle of the road teams in
> > ranking and in record. We aren't talking ONE loss, or a fluke, we are
> > talking TWO losses, neither of which are to a premier team.
>
> > Now, let's look at Kansas. The biggest gripe is their lack of quality
> > wins. I concede that charge, but still, let's look at their wins.
>
> > Central Michigan Oh no, it's a directional school!!!! No one should
> > take them seriously. Okay, so they got beat by Purdue (8-5) in their
> > bowl game as well as the regular season and also lost to some lower
> > tier teams. I'm not going to equate this team with anyone in the SEC,
> > but their record was 8-6, and Kansas didn't beat them in a close game,
> > they beat them 52-7.
>
> > Oklahoma St and Texas A&M. Sure we can talk about them beating up on
> > the loser teams of the big 12 north, but they did also have wins
> > against these two. Both are 7-6, one giving a run with one of Ohio
> > St's QUALITY opponents.
>
> > Virginia Tech. So this is the one quality win that Kansas has that
> > can be looked at as a premier win. If it counts for LSU, it has to
> > count for Kansas.
>
> > Clearly with looking at only wins, LSU has a decided advantage over
> > Kansas, but as pointed out above, LSU's quality wins are inflated a
> > bit and the gap, while substantial is not the gigantic gorge that the
> > media is stuffing down our throats.
>
> > Now let's look at losses.
>
> > ONE loss to 12-2 Missouri, a team that beat the stuffing out of
> > Arkansas (ooh, they beat LSU didn't they?) in a rivalry game in
> > Arrowhead Stadium. Missouri is a bonafide top 10 team and is head and
> > shoulders above Kentucky AND Arkansas. There is no question that 1
> > loss is better than 2 and no question as to the quality of the
> > opponent. Kansas won the games they were supposed to, beat a good
> > Virginia Tech team, and had one mishap to a top 10 if not top 5 team.
>
> > The AP ranking Kansas at #7 is absolutely 100% ridiculous and out of
> > touch with how the season unfolded.
>
> > Kansas is my #1 team and I'm sticking with it.
>
> Florida isn't a quality win but Central Michigan is?
>
> Stinky.
>

No. Where did I say that it was. I was analyzing the best opponents
each had played. Try to keep up. Did you also miss the part that
Kansas didn't have many?

Brent

Jon Enslin · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 72

On Jan 8, 11:30 am, btpage0...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Jan 8, 12:28 pm, Jon Enslin wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 8, 11:19 am, btpage0...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > I am sick of so called "analysts" refusing to actually analyze the
> > > game. LSU has more quality wins than any other team! Let's look at
> > > those quality wins, shall we?
>
> > > Florida 8-4. A more overrated team in recent history, I do not
> > > recall. Florida's chief claim for quality wins are over Tennessee
> > > (who lost to an average Cal team) and Kentucky (8-5). Not exactly
> > > what I would call premier teams or premier wins. Anybody else with
> > > any caliber that they played, they lost. Florida is an average team
> > > that is way overrated this year. Is Florida a quality win? Barely, a
> > > top caliber win? No way.
>
> > > Auburn 9-4. We could call Auburn a good team even though they lost to
> > > Mississippi St AND South Florida. Their quality win is over, yep, see
> > > above, Florida. Not much of resume really, and they lost their big
> > > games. Wins over Tennessee Tech (4-7 in a lower division), Vanderbilt
> > > (5-7), MIssissippi (3-9), Kansas St (5-7), and New Mexico St (4-9), do
> > > tend to pad the schedule a tad. Maybe Auburn is a quality win, but
> > > only if you buy in hook line and sinker to the SEC is king mentality,
> > > and then you have to be a complete homer to swallow it all the way.
>
> > > Tennessee 10-4. Do we see a pattern here? LSU beats teams that have
> > > been beaten at least 3 other times, is this really the killer schedule
> > > everyone wants us to believe? Losses to an average Florida, a 7-6 Cal
> > > team, and a 7-6 Alabama team, certainly call into question just how
> > > good Tennessee was this year. They beat Georgia pretty soundly, but
> > > just squeaked by South Carolina (6-6) and Kentucky (8-5). So their
> > > whole hype is really a win over Georgia. I'm not sure I buy that.
>
> > > Ohio St 11-2. I'm not sure even this was thier highest quality
> > > opponent, but let's look at Ohio St. They lose to LSU and Illinois.
> > > We already know Illinois got hammered by U$C in their bowl game, lost
> > > to Missouri and Iowa and Michigan. Ohio St's quality wins are Penn St
> > > and Michigan and Wisconsin, all 4 loss teams. Despite this, their
> > > record going into the game is 11-1 and clearly this does make a
> > > quality win and even a high quality win.
>
> > > Virginia Tech 11-3. This, in my mind is the highest quality opponent
> > > LSU beat, and to be fair, they throttled them. V-Tech's other losses
> > > are close ones to Kansas (12-1) and Boston College (11-3). V-Tech
> > > doesn't have a whole lot in the way of quality wins, but avenging
> > > their loss to Boston College was a big one, and Clemson and Virginia
> > > are their others.
>
> > > Now, more importantly than these "quality wins" we have to look at
> > > missed opportunities for LSU. Who did they lose to? Did LSU lose in
> > > the lights of the SEC championship? No. Did they lose to their arch
> > > rival in a rivalry game? No. LSU lost to Kentucky and AT HOME to
> > > Arkansas. Kentucky and Arkansas are middle of the road teams in
> > > ranking and in record. We aren't talking ONE loss, or a fluke, we are
> > > talking TWO losses, neither of which are to a premier team.
>
> > > Now, let's look at Kansas. The biggest gripe is their lack of quality
> > > wins. I concede that charge, but still, let's look at their wins.
>
> > > Central Michigan Oh no, it's a directional school!!!! No one should
> > > take them seriously. Okay, so they got beat by Purdue (8-5) in their
> > > bowl game as well as the regular season and also lost to some lower
> > > tier teams. I'm not going to equate this team with anyone in the SEC,
> > > but their record was 8-6, and Kansas didn't beat them in a close game,
> > > they beat them 52-7.
>
> > > Oklahoma St and Texas A&M. Sure we can talk about them beating up on
> > > the loser teams of the big 12 north, but they did also have wins
> > > against these two. Both are 7-6, one giving a run with one of Ohio
> > > St's QUALITY opponents.
>
> > > Virginia Tech. So this is the one quality win that Kansas has that
> > > can be looked at as a premier win. If it counts for LSU, it has to
> > > count for Kansas.
>
> > > Clearly with looking at only wins, LSU has a decided advantage over
> > > Kansas, but as pointed out above, LSU's quality wins are inflated a
> > > bit and the gap, while substantial is not the gigantic gorge that the
> > > media is stuffing down our throats.
>
> > > Now let's look at losses.
>
> > > ONE loss to 12-2 Missouri, a team that beat the stuffing out of
> > > Arkansas (ooh, they beat LSU didn't they?) in a rivalry game in
> > > Arrowhead Stadium. Missouri is a bonafide top 10 team and is head and
> > > shoulders above Kentucky AND Arkansas. There is no question that 1
> > > loss is better than 2 and no question as to the quality of the
> > > opponent. Kansas won the games they were supposed to, beat a good
> > > Virginia Tech team, and had one mishap to a top 10 if not top 5 team.
>
> > > The AP ranking Kansas at #7 is absolutely 100% ridiculous and out of
> > > touch with how the season unfolded.
>
> > > Kansas is my #1 team and I'm sticking with it.
>
> > Florida isn't a quality win but Central Michigan is?
>
> > Stinky.
>
> No. Where did I say that it was. I was analyzing the best opponents
> each had played.

Right. You brought up Central Michigan, while the MAC champ, isn't
very good. They got creamed by a *bad* Purdue team in a bowl. That
is in no way a quality win by any stretch. Oklahoma State and Texas
A&M are nice wins...kind of like LSU beating MSU or Alabama. But
Florida, Auburn and Tennessee are much better schools than Kansas
played prior to their bowl with the exception of Missouri...and we all
know what happened v. Missouri.

> Try to keep up. Did you also miss the part that
> Kansas didn't have many?

I agree.

Jon

btpage0630 · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 25

On Jan 8, 12:38 pm, Jon Enslin wrote:
> On Jan 8, 11:30 am, btpage0...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 8, 12:28 pm, Jon Enslin wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 8, 11:19 am, btpage0...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > > I am sick of so called "analysts" refusing to actually analyze the
> > > > game. LSU has more quality wins than any other team! Let's look at
> > > > those quality wins, shall we?
>
> > > > Florida 8-4. A more overrated team in recent history, I do not
> > > > recall. Florida's chief claim for quality wins are over Tennessee
> > > > (who lost to an average Cal team) and Kentucky (8-5). Not exactly
> > > > what I would call premier teams or premier wins. Anybody else with
> > > > any caliber that they played, they lost. Florida is an average team
> > > > that is way overrated this year. Is Florida a quality win? Barely, a
> > > > top caliber win? No way.
>
> > > > Auburn 9-4. We could call Auburn a good team even though they lost to
> > > > Mississippi St AND South Florida. Their quality win is over, yep, see
> > > > above, Florida. Not much of resume really, and they lost their big
> > > > games. Wins over Tennessee Tech (4-7 in a lower division), Vanderbilt
> > > > (5-7), MIssissippi (3-9), Kansas St (5-7), and New Mexico St (4-9), do
> > > > tend to pad the schedule a tad. Maybe Auburn is a quality win, but
> > > > only if you buy in hook line and sinker to the SEC is king mentality,
> > > > and then you have to be a complete homer to swallow it all the way.
>
> > > > Tennessee 10-4. Do we see a pattern here? LSU beats teams that have
> > > > been beaten at least 3 other times, is this really the killer schedule
> > > > everyone wants us to believe? Losses to an average Florida, a 7-6 Cal
> > > > team, and a 7-6 Alabama team, certainly call into question just how
> > > > good Tennessee was this year. They beat Georgia pretty soundly, but
> > > > just squeaked by South Carolina (6-6) and Kentucky (8-5). So their
> > > > whole hype is really a win over Georgia. I'm not sure I buy that.
>
> > > > Ohio St 11-2. I'm not sure even this was thier highest quality
> > > > opponent, but let's look at Ohio St. They lose to LSU and Illinois.
> > > > We already know Illinois got hammered by U$C in their bowl game, lost
> > > > to Missouri and Iowa and Michigan. Ohio St's quality wins are Penn St
> > > > and Michigan and Wisconsin, all 4 loss teams. Despite this, their
> > > > record going into the game is 11-1 and clearly this does make a
> > > > quality win and even a high quality win.
>
> > > > Virginia Tech 11-3. This, in my mind is the highest quality opponent
> > > > LSU beat, and to be fair, they throttled them. V-Tech's other losses
> > > > are close ones to Kansas (12-1) and Boston College (11-3). V-Tech
> > > > doesn't have a whole lot in the way of quality wins, but avenging
> > > > their loss to Boston College was a big one, and Clemson and Virginia
> > > > are their others.
>
> > > > Now, more importantly than these "quality wins" we have to look at
> > > > missed opportunities for LSU. Who did they lose to? Did LSU lose in
> > > > the lights of the SEC championship? No. Did they lose to their arch
> > > > rival in a rivalry game? No. LSU lost to Kentucky and AT HOME to
> > > > Arkansas. Kentucky and Arkansas are middle of the road teams in
> > > > ranking and in record. We aren't talking ONE loss, or a fluke, we are
> > > > talking TWO losses, neither of which are to a premier team.
>
> > > > Now, let's look at Kansas. The biggest gripe is their lack of quality
> > > > wins. I concede that charge, but still, let's look at their wins.
>
> > > > Central Michigan Oh no, it's a directional school!!!! No one should
> > > > take them seriously. Okay, so they got beat by Purdue (8-5) in their
> > > > bowl game as well as the regular season and also lost to some lower
> > > > tier teams. I'm not going to equate this team with anyone in the SEC,
> > > > but their record was 8-6, and Kansas didn't beat them in a close game,
> > > > they beat them 52-7.
>
> > > > Oklahoma St and Texas A&M. Sure we can talk about them beating up on
> > > > the loser teams of the big 12 north, but they did also have wins
> > > > against these two. Both are 7-6, one giving a run with one of Ohio
> > > > St's QUALITY opponents.
>
> > > > Virginia Tech. So this is the one quality win that Kansas has that
> > > > can be looked at as a premier win. If it counts for LSU, it has to
> > > > count for Kansas.
>
> > > > Clearly with looking at only wins, LSU has a decided advantage over
> > > > Kansas, but as pointed out above, LSU's quality wins are inflated a
> > > > bit and the gap, while substantial is not the gigantic gorge that the
> > > > media is stuffing down our throats.
>
> > > > Now let's look at losses.
>
> > > > ONE loss to 12-2 Missouri, a team that beat the stuffing out of
> > > > Arkansas (ooh, they beat LSU didn't they?) in a rivalry game in
> > > > Arrowhead Stadium. Missouri is a bonafide top 10 team and is head and
> > > > shoulders above Kentucky AND Arkansas. There is no question that 1
> > > > loss is better than 2 and no question as to the quality of the
> > > > opponent. Kansas won the games they were supposed to, beat a good
> > > > Virginia Tech team, and had one mishap to a top 10 if not top 5 team..
>
> > > > The AP ranking Kansas at #7 is absolutely 100% ridiculous and out of
> > > > touch with how the season unfolded.
>
> > > > Kansas is my #1 team and I'm sticking with it.
>
> > > Florida isn't a quality win but Central Michigan is?
>
> > > Stinky.
>
> > No. Where did I say that it was. I was analyzing the best opponents
> > each had played.
>
> Right. You brought up Central Michigan, while the MAC champ, isn't
> very good. They got creamed by a *bad* Purdue team in a bowl. That
> is in no way a quality win by any stretch. Oklahoma State and Texas
> A&M are nice wins...kind of like LSU beating MSU or Alabama. But
> Florida, Auburn and Tennessee are much better schools than Kansas
> played prior to their bowl with the exception of Missouri...and we all
> know what happened v. Missouri.

I never pegged you as much of a spinmeister, but both insinuating that
I am trying to compare Central Michigan to Florida and then claiming
that Purdue "creamed" Central Michigan in their bowl game is nothing
but spin. That was a shootout that could have easily gone either way.

My post is pointing out two very important things. One is that LSU
doesn't have TONS of quality wins as people are claiming in the sense
that 4-loss teams just don't count as high quality wins, I'm sorry.
And TWO, you can't just erase LSU's losses to TWO OKAY teams because
of those purported wins. And there is a THIRD probably, MOST
important factor here and that is that Kansas ALSO beat Virginia Tech,
even if it wasn't by the margin of victory that LSU obtained. Then,
the statement "...and we all know what happened v. Missouri", do you
read that before you hit send? We also all know what happened to LSU
v. Arkansas and Kentucky. Give me a break. Kansas vindicated
themselves nicely against Virginia Tech.

> > Try to keep up. Did you also miss the part that
> > Kansas didn't have many?
>
> I agree.
>

But seem to be missing the points about LSU, a mightily flawed team
that everyone wants to think is a clear-cut winner, but is not really
any such animal.

Brent

stephenj · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 88

> btpage0630@yahoo.com wrote:

> I am sick of so called "analysts" refusing to actually analyze the
> game. LSU has more quality wins than any other team! Let's look at
> those quality wins, shall we?

LSU beat the Big 10 champ and the ACC champ. Kansas beat ... VT, a lot
less convincingly than LSU.

57 computers say LSU is #1.

http://www.mratings.com/cf/compare.htm

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collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."

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stephenj · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 88

> btpage0630@yahoo.com wrote:

> On Jan 8, 12:38 pm, Jon Enslin wrote:
>

> claiming
> that Purdue "creamed" Central Michigan in their bowl game is nothing
> but spin. That was a shootout that could have easily gone either way.

true.

but sagarin said LSU played the #11 schedule while kansas played the #74
schedule. that's pretty decisive, no?

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Randolph M. Jones · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 69

btpage0630@yahoo.com wrote:
> My post is pointing out two very important things. One is that LSU
> doesn't have TONS of quality wins as people are claiming in the sense
> that 4-loss teams just don't count as high quality wins, I'm sorry.
>

This year's MNC went to a team with 2 losses. Why is it a stretch to
assume that teams with 4 losses might actually be pretty good?

btpage0630 · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 25

On Jan 8, 1:51 pm, stephenj wrote:
> > btpage0...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Jan 8, 12:38 pm, Jon Enslin wrote:
>
> > claiming
> > that Purdue "creamed" Central Michigan in their bowl game is nothing
> > but spin. That was a shootout that could have easily gone either way.
>
> true.
>
> but sagarin said LSU played the #11 schedule while kansas played the #74
> schedule. that's pretty decisive, no?
>

Decisive if they have the same record, maybe. But they don't. Once
again, why are we ignoring LSU's two losses?

So no, that isn't that decisive.

Brent

btpage0630 · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 25

On Jan 8, 1:53 pm, "Randolph M. Jones" wrote:
> btpage0...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > My post is pointing out two very important things. One is that LSU
> > doesn't have TONS of quality wins as people are claiming in the sense
> > that 4-loss teams just don't count as high quality wins, I'm sorry.
>
> This year's MNC went to a team with 2 losses. Why is it a stretch to
> assume that teams with 4 losses might actually be pretty good?

I think you are making my point actually. There isn't enough of a
spread between teams this year to make broad proclamations that one is
WAY better than another or clearly deserving. If you take out LSU and
SEC from the equation and say that the champion this year lost to
Kentucky and Arkansas, I don't think too many people would think the
team should have been there. Maybe that's just me, but I don't think
so.

Brent

Emperor Wonko the Sane · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 16

On Jan 8, 11:38 am, Jon Enslin wrote:
> On Jan 8, 11:30 am, btpage0...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 8, 12:28 pm, Jon Enslin wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 8, 11:19 am, btpage0...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > > I am sick of so called "analysts" refusing to actually analyze the
> > > > game. LSU has more quality wins than any other team! Let's look at
> > > > those quality wins, shall we?
>
> > > > Florida 8-4. A more overrated team in recent history, I do not
> > > > recall. Florida's chief claim for quality wins are over Tennessee
> > > > (who lost to an average Cal team) and Kentucky (8-5). Not exactly
> > > > what I would call premier teams or premier wins. Anybody else with
> > > > any caliber that they played, they lost. Florida is an average team
> > > > that is way overrated this year. Is Florida a quality win? Barely, a
> > > > top caliber win? No way.
>
> > > > Auburn 9-4. We could call Auburn a good team even though they lost to
> > > > Mississippi St AND South Florida. Their quality win is over, yep, see
> > > > above, Florida. Not much of resume really, and they lost their big
> > > > games. Wins over Tennessee Tech (4-7 in a lower division), Vanderbilt
> > > > (5-7), MIssissippi (3-9), Kansas St (5-7), and New Mexico St (4-9), do
> > > > tend to pad the schedule a tad. Maybe Auburn is a quality win, but
> > > > only if you buy in hook line and sinker to the SEC is king mentality,
> > > > and then you have to be a complete homer to swallow it all the way.
>
> > > > Tennessee 10-4. Do we see a pattern here? LSU beats teams that have
> > > > been beaten at least 3 other times, is this really the killer schedule
> > > > everyone wants us to believe? Losses to an average Florida, a 7-6 Cal
> > > > team, and a 7-6 Alabama team, certainly call into question just how
> > > > good Tennessee was this year. They beat Georgia pretty soundly, but
> > > > just squeaked by South Carolina (6-6) and Kentucky (8-5). So their
> > > > whole hype is really a win over Georgia. I'm not sure I buy that.
>
> > > > Ohio St 11-2. I'm not sure even this was thier highest quality
> > > > opponent, but let's look at Ohio St. They lose to LSU and Illinois.
> > > > We already know Illinois got hammered by U$C in their bowl game, lost
> > > > to Missouri and Iowa and Michigan. Ohio St's quality wins are Penn St
> > > > and Michigan and Wisconsin, all 4 loss teams. Despite this, their
> > > > record going into the game is 11-1 and clearly this does make a
> > > > quality win and even a high quality win.
>
> > > > Virginia Tech 11-3. This, in my mind is the highest quality opponent
> > > > LSU beat, and to be fair, they throttled them. V-Tech's other losses
> > > > are close ones to Kansas (12-1) and Boston College (11-3). V-Tech
> > > > doesn't have a whole lot in the way of quality wins, but avenging
> > > > their loss to Boston College was a big one, and Clemson and Virginia
> > > > are their others.
>
> > > > Now, more importantly than these "quality wins" we have to look at
> > > > missed opportunities for LSU. Who did they lose to? Did LSU lose in
> > > > the lights of the SEC championship? No. Did they lose to their arch
> > > > rival in a rivalry game? No. LSU lost to Kentucky and AT HOME to
> > > > Arkansas. Kentucky and Arkansas are middle of the road teams in
> > > > ranking and in record. We aren't talking ONE loss, or a fluke, we are
> > > > talking TWO losses, neither of which are to a premier team.
>
> > > > Now, let's look at Kansas. The biggest gripe is their lack of quality
> > > > wins. I concede that charge, but still, let's look at their wins.
>
> > > > Central Michigan Oh no, it's a directional school!!!! No one should
> > > > take them seriously. Okay, so they got beat by Purdue (8-5) in their
> > > > bowl game as well as the regular season and also lost to some lower
> > > > tier teams. I'm not going to equate this team with anyone in the SEC,
> > > > but their record was 8-6, and Kansas didn't beat them in a close game,
> > > > they beat them 52-7.
>
> > > > Oklahoma St and Texas A&M. Sure we can talk about them beating up on
> > > > the loser teams of the big 12 north, but they did also have wins
> > > > against these two. Both are 7-6, one giving a run with one of Ohio
> > > > St's QUALITY opponents.
>
> > > > Virginia Tech. So this is the one quality win that Kansas has that
> > > > can be looked at as a premier win. If it counts for LSU, it has to
> > > > count for Kansas.
>
> > > > Clearly with looking at only wins, LSU has a decided advantage over
> > > > Kansas, but as pointed out above, LSU's quality wins are inflated a
> > > > bit and the gap, while substantial is not the gigantic gorge that the
> > > > media is stuffing down our throats.
>
> > > > Now let's look at losses.
>
> > > > ONE loss to 12-2 Missouri, a team that beat the stuffing out of
> > > > Arkansas (ooh, they beat LSU didn't they?) in a rivalry game in
> > > > Arrowhead Stadium. Missouri is a bonafide top 10 team and is head and
> > > > shoulders above Kentucky AND Arkansas. There is no question that 1
> > > > loss is better than 2 and no question as to the quality of the
> > > > opponent. Kansas won the games they were supposed to, beat a good
> > > > Virginia Tech team, and had one mishap to a top 10 if not top 5 team..
>
> > > > The AP ranking Kansas at #7 is absolutely 100% ridiculous and out of
> > > > touch with how the season unfolded.
>
> > > > Kansas is my #1 team and I'm sticking with it.
>
> > > Florida isn't a quality win but Central Michigan is?
>
> > > Stinky.
>
> > No. Where did I say that it was. I was analyzing the best opponents
> > each had played.
>
> Right. You brought up Central Michigan, while the MAC champ, isn't
> very good. They got creamed by a *bad* Purdue team in a bowl.

Three points is getting creamed?

Doug

btpage0630 · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 25

On Jan 8, 2:20 pm, OrangeDood wrote:
> btpage0...@yahoo.com woke up and had to finish this by hand:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I am sick of so called "analysts" refusing to actually analyze
> > the game. LSU has more quality wins than any other team! Let's
> > look at those quality wins, shall we?
>
> > Florida 8-4. A more overrated team in recent history, I do not
> > recall. Florida's chief claim for quality wins are over
> > Tennessee (who lost to an average Cal team) and Kentucky (8-5).
> > Not exactly what I would call premier teams or premier wins.
> > Anybody else with any caliber that they played, they lost.
> > Florida is an average team that is way overrated this year. Is
> > Florida a quality win? Barely, a top caliber win? No way.
>
> > Auburn 9-4. We could call Auburn a good team even though they
> > lost to Mississippi St AND South Florida. Their quality win is
> > over, yep, see above, Florida. Not much of resume really, and
> > they lost their big games. Wins over Tennessee Tech (4-7 in a
> > lower division), Vanderbilt (5-7), MIssissippi (3-9), Kansas St
> > (5-7), and New Mexico St (4-9), do tend to pad the schedule a
> > tad. Maybe Auburn is a quality win, but only if you buy in hook
> > line and sinker to the SEC is king mentality, and then you have
> > to be a complete homer to swallow it all the way.
>
> > Tennessee 10-4. Do we see a pattern here? LSU beats teams that
> > have been beaten at least 3 other times, is this really the
> > killer schedule everyone wants us to believe? Losses to an
> > average Florida, a 7-6 Cal team, and a 7-6 Alabama team,
> > certainly call into question just how good Tennessee was this
> > year. They beat Georgia pretty soundly, but just squeaked by
> > South Carolina (6-6) and Kentucky (8-5). So their whole hype is
> > really a win over Georgia. I'm not sure I buy that.
>
> > Ohio St 11-2. I'm not sure even this was thier highest quality
> > opponent, but let's look at Ohio St. They lose to LSU and
> > Illinois. We already know Illinois got hammered by U$C in their
> > bowl game, lost to Missouri and Iowa and Michigan. Ohio St's
> > quality wins are Penn St and Michigan and Wisconsin, all 4 loss
> > teams. Despite this, their record going into the game is 11-1
> > and clearly this does make a quality win and even a high quality
> > win.
>
> > Virginia Tech 11-3. This, in my mind is the highest quality
> > opponent LSU beat, and to be fair, they throttled them.
> > V-Tech's other losses are close ones to Kansas (12-1) and Boston
> > College (11-3). V-Tech doesn't have a whole lot in the way of
> > quality wins, but avenging their loss to Boston College was a
> > big one, and Clemson and Virginia are their others.
>
> > Now, more importantly than these "quality wins" we have to look
> > at missed opportunities for LSU. Who did they lose to? Did LSU
> > lose in the lights of the SEC championship? No. Did they lose
> > to their arch rival in a rivalry game? No. LSU lost to
> > Kentucky and AT HOME to Arkansas. Kentucky and Arkansas are
> > middle of the road teams in ranking and in record. We aren't
> > talking ONE loss, or a fluke, we are talking TWO losses, neither
> > of which are to a premier team.
>
> > Now, let's look at Kansas. The biggest gripe is their lack of
> > quality wins. I concede that charge, but still, let's look at
> > their wins.
>
> > Central Michigan Oh no, it's a directional school!!!! No one
> > should take them seriously. Okay, so they got beat by Purdue
> > (8-5) in their bowl game as well as the regular season and also
> > lost to some lower tier teams. I'm not going to equate this
> > team with anyone in the SEC, but their record was 8-6, and
> > Kansas didn't beat them in a close game, they beat them 52-7.
>
> > Oklahoma St and Texas A&M. Sure we can talk about them beating
> > up on the loser teams of the big 12 north, but they did also
> > have wins against these two. Both are 7-6, one giving a run
> > with one of Ohio St's QUALITY opponents.
>
> > Virginia Tech. So this is the one quality win that Kansas has
> > that can be looked at as a premier win. If it counts for LSU,
> > it has to count for Kansas.
>
> > Clearly with looking at only wins, LSU has a decided advantage
> > over Kansas, but as pointed out above, LSU's quality wins are
> > inflated a bit and the gap, while substantial is not the
> > gigantic gorge that the media is stuffing down our throats.
>
> > Now let's look at losses.
>
> > ONE loss to 12-2 Missouri, a team that beat the stuffing out of
> > Arkansas (ooh, they beat LSU didn't they?) in a rivalry game in
> > Arrowhead Stadium. Missouri is a bonafide top 10 team and is
> > head and shoulders above Kentucky AND Arkansas. There is no
> > question that 1 loss is better than 2 and no question as to the
> > quality of the opponent. Kansas won the games they were
> > supposed to, beat a good Virginia Tech team, and had one mishap
> > to a top 10 if not top 5 team.
>
> > The AP ranking Kansas at #7 is absolutely 100% ridiculous and
> > out of touch with how the season unfolded.
>
> > Kansas is my #1 team and I'm sticking with it.
>
> How'd they do against Oklahoma and Texas?
>

Quite well, they didn't lose to either one of those teams!

Brent

bob wald · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 40

LSU is king....until another wins twice in 5 yrs the championship.like
LSU has!

Jon Enslin · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 72

On Jan 8, 1:35 pm, bob36sw...@webtv.net (bob wald) wrote:
> LSU is king....until another wins twice in 5 yrs the championship.like
> LSU has!

This rsfkin' chatroom is starting to smell like corndogs.

Jon

Bernard M. Wrangle · Joined: 30 Aug 2007 Posts: 52

Jon Enslin wrote:
> On Jan 8, 1:35?pm, bob36sw...@webtv.net (bob wald) wrote:
>> ?LSU ?is king....until another wins twice in 5 yrs the championship.like
>> LSU has!
>
> This rsfkin' chatroom is starting to smell like corndogs.

Smells more like chicken to me.

BMW

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