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The Shadow



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:41 am    Post subject: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Specter Reply with quote

By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer
February 13, 2008

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents'
defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots' coach in
2000, according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger
Goodell told him that during a meeting Wednesday.

"There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when
Coach Belichick took over," Specter said.

Specter said Goodell gave him that information during the 1-hour,
40-minute meeting, which was requested by Specter so the commissioner
could explain his reasons for destroying the Spygate tapes and notes.

"There were a great many questions answered by Commissioner Goodell,"
Specter, the senior Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, told
reporters after the meeting. "I found a lot of questions unanswerable
because of the tapes and notes had been destroyed."

Goodell said Belichick told him he believed the taping was legal;
Goodell said he did not concur.

"He said that's always been his interpretation since he's been the head
coach," the commissioner said. "We are going to agree to disagree on the
facts."

Specter, from Pennsylvania, wants to talk to other league officials
about what exactly was taped and which games may have been compromised.

"We have a right to have honest football games," he said.

Goodell noted that "we were the ones that disclosed" the Patriots'
illegal taping of the New York Jets' defensive signals in Week 1 of last
season. Further, Goodell said, they had an admission by Belichick.

"I have nothing to hide," Goodell said.

Goodell also told Specter that that he doesn't regret destroying the
Spygate tapes or the notes.

"I think it was the right thing to do," Goodell said.

Still, Specter wants to know why penalties were imposed on Belichick
before the full extent of the wrongdoing was known and the tapes
destroyed in a two-week span. Asked if he thinks there was a coverup,
Specter demurred.

"There was an enormous amount of haste," Specter said.

He scoffed at the reasons Goodell gave for destroying the tapes and
notes, particularly about trying to keep them out of competitors' hands
and because Belichick had admitted to the taping.

"What's that got to do with it? There's an admission of guilt, you
preserve the evidence," Specter said. As for keeping the tapes out of
the hands of others: "All you have to do is lock up the tapes."

Belichick was fined $500,000 and the team was fined $250,000 because of
the Spygate incident. The Patriots also forfeited a first-round draft pick.

Specter has questioned the quality of the NFL's investigation into the
matter and raised the possibility of congressional hearings if he wasn't
satisfied with Goodell's answers. Specter also raised the threat of
Congress canceling the league's antitrust exemption and reiterated that
in the meeting with Goodell.

Goodell also said he has not heard from Matt Walsh, the former Patriots
employee who performed some videotaping duties for the team.

Walsh told The Associated Press last week during the Pro Bowl in Hawaii
that he couldn't talk about allegations that he taped a walkthrough
practice by the St. Louis Rams before the 2002 Super Bowl. New England,
a two-touchdown underdog, won that game 20-17.

Goodell said he has offered Walsh a deal whereby "he has to tell the
truth and he has to return anything he took improperly" in return for
indemnity. Specter said he, too, wanted to talk to Walsh and perhaps
offer a different deal.

Goodell also said he reserves the right to reopen the investigation if
more information is uncovered.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Spec Reply with quote

"The Shadow" wrote in message @bright.net...
> By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer
> February 13, 2008
>
> WASHINGTON (AP) -- Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents'
> defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots' coach in 2000,
> according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger Goodell
> told him that during a meeting Wednesday.
>
> "There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when Coach
> Belichick took over," Specter said.
>

Maybe when its all said and done.... they should give back all three of
those * trophies.
-Sac D-
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Jufi



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Spec Reply with quote

"Sac D" wrote in message @comcast.com...
>
> "The Shadow" wrote in message
> @bright.net...
>> By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer
>> February 13, 2008
>>
>> WASHINGTON (AP) -- Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents'
>> defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots' coach in
>> 2000, according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger
>> Goodell told him that during a meeting Wednesday.
>>
>> "There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when Coach
>> Belichick took over," Specter said.
>>
>
> Maybe when its all said and done.... they should give back all three of
> those * trophies.

Then I guess the Raiders should give back any trophies they won when their
players used "stickum."

Grow up...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Spec Reply with quote

In article ,
"Sac D" wrote:

> "The Shadow" wrote in message
> @bright.net...
> > By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer
> > February 13, 2008
> >
> > WASHINGTON (AP) -- Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents'
> > defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots' coach in 2000,
> > according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger Goodell
> > told him that during a meeting Wednesday.
> >
> > "There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when Coach
> > Belichick took over," Specter said.
> >
>
> Maybe when its all said and done.... they should give back all three of
> those * trophies.
> -Sac D-
>
>

One thing for sure.

Belichick is both a cheat and a liar. Claiming he didn't interpret it as
illegal after getting the ltter he got is ridiculous. He knew damn well
it was illegal and he knew it was a cheat all along.

--
Keith
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Hobbes



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Spec Reply with quote

In article ,
"Jufi" wrote:

> "Sac D" wrote in message
> @comcast.com...
> >
> > "The Shadow" wrote in message
> > @bright.net...
> >> By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer
> >> February 13, 2008
> >>
> >> WASHINGTON (AP) -- Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents'
> >> defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots' coach in
> >> 2000, according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger
> >> Goodell told him that during a meeting Wednesday.
> >>
> >> "There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when Coach
> >> Belichick took over," Specter said.
> >>
> >
> > Maybe when its all said and done.... they should give back all three of
> > those * trophies.
>
> Then I guess the Raiders should give back any trophies they won when their
> players used "stickum."
>
> Grow up...
>

Stickum was legal. Every team used it.

--
Keith
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Jufi



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Spec Reply with quote

"Hobbes" wrote in message @sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> In article ,
> "Jufi" wrote:
>
>> "Sac D" wrote in message
>> @comcast.com...
>> >
>> > "The Shadow" wrote in message
>> > @bright.net...
>> >> By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer
>> >> February 13, 2008
>> >>
>> >> WASHINGTON (AP) -- Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents'
>> >> defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots' coach in
>> >> 2000, according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger
>> >> Goodell told him that during a meeting Wednesday.
>> >>
>> >> "There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when
>> >> Coach
>> >> Belichick took over," Specter said.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Maybe when its all said and done.... they should give back all three of
>> > those * trophies.
>>
>> Then I guess the Raiders should give back any trophies they won when
>> their
>> players used "stickum."
>>
>> Grow up...
>>
>
> Stickum was legal. Every team used it.

So was taping, until this year. Every team did it.
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The Raider on a Rock



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Spec Reply with quote

On Feb 15, 5:35 am, "Jufi" wrote:
> "Hobbes" wrote in message
>
> @sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article ,
> > "Jufi" wrote:
>
> >> "Sac D" wrote in message
> >>@comcast.com...
>
> >> > "The Shadow" wrote in message
> >> >@bright.net...
> >> >> By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer
> >> >> February 13, 2008
>
> >> >> WASHINGTON (AP) -- Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents'
> >> >> defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots' coach in
> >> >> 2000, according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger
> >> >> Goodell told him that during a meeting Wednesday.
>
> >> >> "There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when
> >> >> Coach
> >> >> Belichick took over," Specter said.
>
> >> > Maybe when its all said and done.... they should give back all three of
> >> > those * trophies.
>
> >> Then I guess the Raiders should give back any trophies they won when
> >> their
> >> players used "stickum."
>
> >> Grow up...
>
> > Stickum was legal. Every team used it.
>
> So was taping, until this year. Every team did it.

This is a bit like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

Everything that you've come believe about your dominate dynasty is
getting exposed for the lie that it is. You are slowly coming apart
in front of our eyes as well. It's not very pretty quite frankly.

May I suggest a long fact finding vacation from Usenet and then a
triumphant return from the ashes? You are currently still burning and
pouring gas on the fire with these hilarious insinuations of "it's
okay because everyone did it" is really not helping your cause.

Explain why everyone else has a first round draft pick this year
except for you?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:49 am    Post subject: Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Spec Reply with quote

"Hobbes" wrote in message @sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> In article ,
> "Sac D" wrote:
>
>> "The Shadow" wrote in message
>> @bright.net...
>> > By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer
>> > February 13, 2008
>> >
>> > WASHINGTON (AP) -- Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents'
>> > defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots' coach in
>> > 2000,
>> > according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger
>> > Goodell
>> > told him that during a meeting Wednesday.
>> >
>> > "There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when
>> > Coach
>> > Belichick took over," Specter said.
>> >
>>
>> Maybe when its all said and done.... they should give back all three of
>> those * trophies.
>> -Sac D-
>>
>>
>
> One thing for sure.
>
> Belichick is both a cheat and a liar. Claiming he didn't interpret it as
> illegal after getting the ltter he got is ridiculous. He knew damn well
> it was illegal and he knew it was a cheat all along.

And that's why he's a half million lighter. And the team a quarter million
lighter. And minus a first rounder. But up until this year, the practice was
not expressly forbidden. And he never denied taping in the past, and freely
admitted to it when interviewed by Goddell. Please prove otherwise.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Spec Reply with quote

In article , "Jufi"
wrote:

> "Hobbes" wrote in message
> @sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> > In article ,
> > "Sac D" wrote:
> >
> >> "The Shadow" wrote in message
> >> @bright.net...
> >> > By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer
> >> > February 13, 2008
> >> >
> >> > WASHINGTON (AP) -- Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents'
> >> > defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots' coach in
> >> > 2000,
> >> > according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger
> >> > Goodell
> >> > told him that during a meeting Wednesday.
> >> >
> >> > "There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when
> >> > Coach
> >> > Belichick took over," Specter said.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Maybe when its all said and done.... they should give back all three of
> >> those * trophies.
> >> -Sac D-
> >>
> >>
> >
> > One thing for sure.
> >
> > Belichick is both a cheat and a liar. Claiming he didn't interpret it as
> > illegal after getting the ltter he got is ridiculous. He knew damn well
> > it was illegal and he knew it was a cheat all along.
>
> And that's why he's a half million lighter. And the team a quarter million
> lighter. And minus a first rounder. But up until this year, the practice was
> not expressly forbidden. And he never denied taping in the past, and freely
> admitted to it when interviewed by Goddell. Please prove otherwise.
>

He claimed he misinterpreted a letter from Goddell which stated the
league policy against video-taping signals would be strictly enforced.
How do you mis-interpet that? It was not a new league policy and, while
some other teams may have also been stealing, there was no way you could
misinterpet the letter.

The videotaping of other teams practices is also forbidden. Look - I
really don't care and I don't think it explains the success the Pats
have had. They have a great qb, a good defense and good coaching and
more than their fair share of breaks. But this isn't going to go away
soon. I think you are just seeing the tip of the iceberg.

--
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Jufi



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:48 am    Post subject: Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Spec Reply with quote

"Hobbes" wrote in message @sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> In article , "Jufi"
>>
>
> He claimed he misinterpreted a letter from Goddell which stated the
> league policy against video-taping signals would be strictly enforced.
> How do you mis-interpet that? It was not a new league policy and, while
> some other teams may have also been stealing, there was no way you could
> misinterpet the letter.

I agree, but Goddell didn't publish the letter until just prior to last
season. And Belichick was breaking balls with his ex assistant. But he got
caught, fined, and penalized. I actually think he got off pretty light.

>
> The videotaping of other teams practices is also forbidden. Look - I
> really don't care and I don't think it explains the success the Pats
> have had. They have a great qb, a good defense and good coaching and
> more than their fair share of breaks. But this isn't going to go away
> soon. I think you are just seeing the tip of the iceberg.

I guess we'll wait and see. Going to be a great soap opera, no?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Spec Reply with quote

The Raider on a Rock wrote:

> Explain why everyone else has a first round draft pick this year
> except for you?

Funny, everyone not in your little pipe dream can clearly see that they
have the 7th pick in the draft.

Keep living in your fantasy world!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Spec Reply with quote

On Feb 17 2008 10:02 AM, The Shadow wrote:
>
>
> Thank you for playing!
>
> Still clueless and the rest of the NFL fans are laughing at you!
>
> Keep the hits coming!

Your sarcasm is warranted, considering Polarhound couldn't write a post
that "stands up" to scrutiny if he soaked his keyboard in Viagra.

Pity the poor fool.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:20 am    Post subject: Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Spec Reply with quote

Nuclear Waste wrote:

> Want to explain to me why they taped for eight years?

Proof? Copies of tapes?

Thought so.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:21 am    Post subject: Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Spec Reply with quote

The Queen B wrote:
> On Feb 17 2008 10:02 AM, The Shadow wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for playing!
>>
>> Still clueless and the rest of the NFL fans are laughing at you!
>>
>> Keep the hits coming!
>
> Your sarcasm is warranted, considering Polarhound couldn't write a post
> that "stands up" to scrutiny if he soaked his keyboard in Viagra.
>
> Pity the poor fool.

Queenie would know plenty about Viagra, given that she has a bigger dick
than half the people in here.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:29 am    Post subject: Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Spec Reply with quote

"Polarhound" wrote in message @comcast.com...
> Nuclear Waste wrote:
>
>> Want to explain to me why they taped for eight years?
>
> Proof? Copies of tapes?
>
> Thought so.

Claiming that you are thinking is no substitute for actually
doing so.

Bellicheat ADMITTED it.

Oh, here's your ***

You dropped them

Patriots, 0-6 in the Superbowl.

Or *** - 3

NW

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