In the end, all factors were stacked against NE

Teberdu · Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 1

I did'nt want to say it until after the game (the players sometimes hear
these kinds of things and it might affect their play if heard
beforehand). But there were several psychodynamic factors working
against the Pats (in no particular order)

1. Randy Moss was a member of the infamous Vikings squad that lost to
Atlanta after going 16-0. To have him on the Pats is sort of like having
Michael Vick for a backup qb. There would be a certain amount of
"scandalous nature" to this individual that could harm the team's
chances, even if he was only on the sidelines. FOOTBALL NOW HAS ITS
SERGIO-FORMERLY-PHIL-MICKELSON, AND HIS NAME IS RANDY MOSS (Sergio
Garcia is generally perceived as the greatest golfer to never win a
major, and Moss is perhaps the greatest offensive football player to
never win the Super Bowl).

2. New England has had successful teams partly on the same terms that
San Francisco won so often in the 1980's: it's a live-and-let-live
society that doesn't attempt to alienate people without kids. (S.F.
certainly did NOT win due to fags dicking themselves in the ass, after
all!) When the "fertility oriented" news media started coming out with
glossy stories about handing out condoms in Portland ME middle schools,
it totally diverted the true social basis of a winning society: the
hygienic, untainted physical environment of northern New England
reflects a strong social element of people who just don't have kids, yet
are able to get along with people who do have kids. This was another
nail in the coffin of the Pats football team. THIS ALSO EXPLAINS WHY
MINNESOTA (IN ALL SPORTS AND NATIIONAL POLITICS) IS THE PERENNIAL LOSER
- Minnesota (especially Minneapolis) IS THE MOST HOSTILE SOCIETY IN ALL
AMERICA TOWARDS PEOPLE WITHOUT CHILDREN.

3. The New York Giants had fans that in virtually any other situation
would never be rooting for them. I for one, would never root for the
Giants against just about any other team except the Patriots! It's not
that I hate the Patriots -- it's just that there have been plenty of
other good teams in the sense that I don't think NE is necessarily the
"best ever" and as such 'deserved' to have a perfect season. What's
more, when playing a team like the Giants (who 1- are from a large,
successful city and 2-have already won two Super Bowls, it's not as if
the Pats were playing some Cinderella team who's never won, like if they
had ended up playing the San Diego Chargers or some similar situation --
in which case the Pats would have had a much better chance.

4. Like Tony Dungey said the year before, it's generally BETTER for even
the best team to lose at least one game, in that if they're perfect they
are under much more personal pressure during the post-season. In another
sense thus, New England "did an Ohio State" -- a team that 'everyone
thought would run away with it and wasn't able to come through after
all'. Even Miami Dolphins fans readily admit that there are often
complex factors coming together to complete a perfect season. For
example, their perfect season was capped by beating the MN Vikings -- a
team that has had tremendous odds against it ever winning the big game
(SEE ABOVE).

Archived from group: alt>sports>football>pro>ne-patriots

micronerdo · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 32

"Teberdu" wrote in message @216.196.97.131...

> 4. Like Tony Dungey said the year before, it's generally BETTER for even
> the best team to lose at least one game, in that if they're perfect they
> are under much more personal pressure during the post-season.

This IS the reason. If they had gone ahead and lost to Baltimore, they
could be holding up their 4th SB trophy right now.

Being a Redskin fan, in '91 we had already lost just one game to the Cowboys
before playing our last game of the season to the Eagles. I felt we needed a little
more pressure released before entering the post season, so I was hoping that
we would lose that game against the Eagles (which we did). Everytime I saw
the Pats fans holding up 17-0, then 18-0, I said... "They're asking for it."

Tylo · Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 1

Teberdu laid this on me:
>
> 1. Randy Moss was a member of the infamous Vikings squad that lost to
> Atlanta after going 16-0. To have him on the Pats is sort of like
> having Michael Vick for a backup qb. There would be a certain amount
> of "scandalous nature" to this individual that could harm the team's
> chances, even if he was only on the sidelines. FOOTBALL NOW HAS ITS
> SERGIO-FORMERLY-PHIL-MICKELSON, AND HIS NAME IS RANDY MOSS (Sergio
> Garcia is generally perceived as the greatest golfer to never win a
> major, and Moss is perhaps the greatest offensive football player to
> never win the Super Bowl).

Dan Marino on line 1.

Tylo

3Rivers Writer · Joined: 07 Oct 2007 Posts: 10

In the end, all factors were stacked against NE

Group: alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots Date: Mon, Feb 4, 2008,
1:02am (EST-1) From: me@me.com (Teberdu)
I did'nt want to say it until after the game (the players sometimes hear
these kinds of things and it might affect their play if heard
beforehand). But there were several psychodynamic factors working
against the Pats (in no particular order)
1. Randy Moss was a member of the infamous Vikings squad that lost to
Atlanta after going 16-0. To have him on the Pats is sort of like having
Michael Vick for a backup qb. There would be a certain amount of
"scandalous nature" to this individual that could harm the team's
chances, even if he was only on the sidelines. FOOTBALL NOW HAS ITS
SERGIO-FORMERLY-PHIL-MICKELSON, AND HIS NAME IS RANDY MOSS (Sergio
Garcia is generally perceived as the greatest golfer to never win a
major, and Moss is perhaps the greatest offensive football player to
never win the Super Bowl).
2. New England has had successful teams partly on the same terms that
San Francisco won so often in the 1980's: it's a live-and-let-live
society that doesn't attempt to alienate people without kids. (S.F.
certainly did NOT win due to fags dicking themselves in the ass, after
all!) When the "fertility oriented" news media started coming out with
glossy stories about handing out condoms in Portland ME middle schools,
it totally diverted the true social basis of a winning society: the
hygienic, untainted physical environment of northern New England
reflects a strong social element of people who just don't have kids, yet
are able to get along with people who do have kids. This was another
nail in the coffin of the Pats football team. THIS ALSO EXPLAINS WHY
MINNESOTA (IN ALL SPORTS AND NATIIONAL POLITICS) IS THE PERENNIAL LOSER
- Minnesota (especially Minneapolis) IS THE MOST HOSTILE SOCIETY IN ALL
AMERICA TOWARDS PEOPLE WITHOUT CHILDREN.
3. The New York Giants had fans that in virtually any other situation
would never be rooting for them. I for one, would never root for the
Giants against just about any other team except the Patriots! It's not
that I hate the Patriots -- it's just that there have been plenty of
other good teams in the sense that I don't think NE is necessarily the
"best ever" and as such 'deserved' to have a perfect season. What's
more, when playing a team like the Giants (who 1- are from a large,
successful city and 2-have already won two Super Bowls, it's not as if
the Pats were playing some Cinderella team who's never won, like if they
had ended up playing the San Diego Chargers or some similar situation --
in which case the Pats would have had a much better chance.
4. Like Tony Dungey said the year before, it's generally BETTER for even
the best team to lose at least one game, in that if they're perfect they
are under much more personal pressure during the post-season. In another
sense thus, New England "did an Ohio State" -- a team that 'everyone
thought would run away with it and wasn't able to come through after
all'. Even Miami Dolphins fans readily admit that there are often
complex factors coming together to complete a perfect season. For
example, their perfect season was capped by beating the MN Vikings -- a
team that has had tremendous odds against it ever winning the big game
(SEE ABOVE).

The Dolphins capped their perfect season by beating the Redskins in the
Super Bowl. The following Super Bowl they beat the Vikings.

Chris · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 7

On Feb 4, 2:02 am, Teberdu wrote:
> I did'nt want to say it until after the game (the players sometimes hear
> these kinds of things and it might affect their play if heard
> beforehand). But there were several psychodynamic factors working
> against the Pats (in no particular order)

What did you think was going to happen? The AP was going to pick up on
this post and turn it into bulletin board material?

>
> 1. Randy Moss was a member of the infamous Vikings squad that lost to
> Atlanta after going 16-0.

Maybe you don't understand this whole perfection thing... but no other
team has gone 16-0 during the regular season until the Patriots did
it.

Giants' new motto: 18-1, World Champion New York Giants

Bobby Galvez · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 25

Teberdu wrote:

> I did'nt want to say it until after the game (the players sometimes hear
> these kinds of things and it might affect their play if heard
> beforehand). But there were several psychodynamic factors working
> against the Pats (in no particular order)
>
> 1. Randy Moss was a member of the infamous Vikings squad that lost to
> Atlanta after going 16-0.

If you're going to try to get people to read a loooooong post claiming
expertise, don't start with something so patently wrong.

The 1998 Vikings were 7-0 when they lost in the regular season to Tampa Bay.
They finished their season 15-1. They were 16-1 when they played the Falcons
and lost to them.

BobbyG

SAT W-7 · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 14

I think Miami beat the Vikings in the last seconds of that game in I972
..?

DGS · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 2

I completely reject things such as superstition and "what happened in the
past"

Yesterday's game came down to one simple fact...the Patriots could not
handle the Giants pass rush. That was the the only real difference in my
mind.

"Teberdu" wrote in message @216.196.97.131...
>I did'nt want to say it until after the game (the players sometimes hear
> these kinds of things and it might affect their play if heard
> beforehand). But there were several psychodynamic factors working
> against the Pats (in no particular order)
>
> 1. Randy Moss was a member of the infamous Vikings squad that lost to
> Atlanta after going 16-0. To have him on the Pats is sort of like having
> Michael Vick for a backup qb. There would be a certain amount of
> "scandalous nature" to this individual that could harm the team's
> chances, even if he was only on the sidelines. FOOTBALL NOW HAS ITS
> SERGIO-FORMERLY-PHIL-MICKELSON, AND HIS NAME IS RANDY MOSS (Sergio
> Garcia is generally perceived as the greatest golfer to never win a
> major, and Moss is perhaps the greatest offensive football player to
> never win the Super Bowl).
>
> 2. New England has had successful teams partly on the same terms that
> San Francisco won so often in the 1980's: it's a live-and-let-live
> society that doesn't attempt to alienate people without kids. (S.F.
> certainly did NOT win due to fags dicking themselves in the ass, after
> all!) When the "fertility oriented" news media started coming out with
> glossy stories about handing out condoms in Portland ME middle schools,
> it totally diverted the true social basis of a winning society: the
> hygienic, untainted physical environment of northern New England
> reflects a strong social element of people who just don't have kids, yet
> are able to get along with people who do have kids. This was another
> nail in the coffin of the Pats football team. THIS ALSO EXPLAINS WHY
> MINNESOTA (IN ALL SPORTS AND NATIIONAL POLITICS) IS THE PERENNIAL LOSER
> - Minnesota (especially Minneapolis) IS THE MOST HOSTILE SOCIETY IN ALL
> AMERICA TOWARDS PEOPLE WITHOUT CHILDREN.
>
> 3. The New York Giants had fans that in virtually any other situation
> would never be rooting for them. I for one, would never root for the
> Giants against just about any other team except the Patriots! It's not
> that I hate the Patriots -- it's just that there have been plenty of
> other good teams in the sense that I don't think NE is necessarily the
> "best ever" and as such 'deserved' to have a perfect season. What's
> more, when playing a team like the Giants (who 1- are from a large,
> successful city and 2-have already won two Super Bowls, it's not as if
> the Pats were playing some Cinderella team who's never won, like if they
> had ended up playing the San Diego Chargers or some similar situation --
> in which case the Pats would have had a much better chance.
>
> 4. Like Tony Dungey said the year before, it's generally BETTER for even
> the best team to lose at least one game, in that if they're perfect they
> are under much more personal pressure during the post-season. In another
> sense thus, New England "did an Ohio State" -- a team that 'everyone
> thought would run away with it and wasn't able to come through after
> all'. Even Miami Dolphins fans readily admit that there are often
> complex factors coming together to complete a perfect season. For
> example, their perfect season was capped by beating the MN Vikings -- a
> team that has had tremendous odds against it ever winning the big game
> (SEE ABOVE).

Ron Gibson · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 31

On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 07:21:28 -0600, Bobby Galvez wrote:

> The 1998 Vikings were 7-0 when they lost in the regular season to Tampa
> Bay. They finished their season 15-1.

Yarrr, matey, we be the serpentine nemesis of the hapless vikings...

Bucco Bruce

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