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Sharpsh00ter



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:08 pm    Post subject: CFL under attack again Reply with quote

NCAA weighing membership expansion to Canadian schools
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By Steve Wieberg, USA TODAY
The NCAA, which already has given its blessing to a football bowl in
Toronto, is weighing another step across the border - membership for
Canadian schools.
A committee of university presidents is expected to recommend in
January whether the NCAA should expand beyond the U.S. for the first time
and accept Canadian schools on a limited basis. Two have expressed interest:
the University of British Columbia in Vancouver and St. Clair College in
Windsor, Ontario.

Belmont University President Robert Fisher, who heads the NCAA panel,
is open to the move, saying it could cut travel costs and missed class time
for nearby U.S. schools. He insists Canadian exceptions would be modest.

"I can envision a situation where it would make sense," he says. "But
I don't envision that we would become the governing body for
student-athletes in Canada and Mexico or anywhere else. ... It would take
another kind of decision other than the one we're headed for for it to
become really prevalent."

Fisher, a member of the NCAA's highest-ranking board, the Executive
Committee, will brief that group when it meets in Indianapolis today.

Accepting Canadian schools would require a change in NCAA rules that
limit membership to those in "in the United States, its territories or
possessions." Unless expedited, final approval couldn't come before April
2008.

The issue first arose when Simon Fraser unsuccessfully sought NCAA
membership in 1998. The University of British Columbia, with 35,000
undergraduates that competes in the NAIA in baseball and six more of its 28
varsity sports, then inquired two years ago. Its officials traded visits
with NCAA representatives last year.

Athletic director Bob Philip says UBC is seeking a break from Canadian
scholarship restrictions. They permit schools to cover only athletes'
tuition; the NCAA allows room, board, books and tuition. Caliber of
competition is also an attraction. "I know the NCAA has its critics," Philip
says. "But if you have a university program and you're looking for the best
competition in the world, that's where it is."

St. Clair College, in Windsor, is primarily interested in a home for
its hockey team after the Ontario Colleges Athletic Association dropped the
sport.



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GL



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:35 am    Post subject: Re: CFL under attack again Reply with quote

S> Caliber of competition is also an attraction. "I know the NCAA has its
S> critics," Philip says. "But if you have a university program and you're
S> looking for the best competition in the world, that's where it is."

Hmmm, as I recall, UBC has been getting their butts kicked the last few
years by Saskatchewan and this year by Manitoba. I am not sure the better
competition reason holds much water when they are already getting wasted by
the those "weaker" prairie clubs.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:50 am    Post subject: Re: CFL under attack again Reply with quote

"GL" wrote in message @corp.supernews.com...
> S> Caliber of competition is also an attraction. "I know the NCAA has its
> S> critics," Philip says. "But if you have a university program and you're
> S> looking for the best competition in the world, that's where it is."
>
> Hmmm, as I recall, UBC has been getting their butts kicked the last few
> years by Saskatchewan and this year by Manitoba. I am not sure the better
> competition reason holds much water when they are already getting wasted
> by the those "weaker" prairie clubs.
>

Sorry I was a little out of it when I posted this. I'd been on Nyquil and
fishermen's friends for the last 2 days. The point I think I was trying to
make was that if Canadian Universities join the NCAA they will have to
switch to 4 down football. If this happens the Highschools will also switch
to 4 down football. The loss of the feeder system will stress the CFL's
continuing I think the word would be legitimacy. 3 down CFL might not seem
as viable to the owners who ultimately might have to switch themselves to
preserve the league. That would be a sad day indeed.


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Father Guido



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:28 pm    Post subject: Re: CFL under attack again Reply with quote

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:50:20 -0500, "Sharpsh00ter"
wrote:

>
>"GL" wrote in message
>@corp.supernews.com...
>> S> Caliber of competition is also an attraction. "I know the NCAA has its
>> S> critics," Philip says. "But if you have a university program and you're
>> S> looking for the best competition in the world, that's where it is."
>>
>> Hmmm, as I recall, UBC has been getting their butts kicked the last few
>> years by Saskatchewan and this year by Manitoba. I am not sure the better
>> competition reason holds much water when they are already getting wasted
>> by the those "weaker" prairie clubs.
>>
>
>Sorry I was a little out of it when I posted this. I'd been on Nyquil and
>fishermen's friends for the last 2 days. The point I think I was trying to
>make was that if Canadian Universities join the NCAA they will have to
>switch to 4 down football. If this happens the Highschools will also switch
>to 4 down football. The loss of the feeder system will stress the CFL's
>continuing I think the word would be legitimacy. 3 down CFL might not seem
>as viable to the owners who ultimately might have to switch themselves to
>preserve the league. That would be a sad day indeed.
>
>
>SS
>

Why would High Schools, or Junior leagues, or Bantams have to switch
to 4 downs? Even if the Universities change to 4 downs, so what. Over
half the CFL players were trained in the US 4 down system and they're
able to adjust.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:07 pm    Post subject: Re: CFL under attack again Reply with quote

"Father Guido" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:50:20 -0500, "Sharpsh00ter"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"GL" wrote in message
>>@corp.supernews.com...
>>> S> Caliber of competition is also an attraction. "I know the NCAA has
>>> its
>>> S> critics," Philip says. "But if you have a university program and
>>> you're
>>> S> looking for the best competition in the world, that's where it is."
>>>
>>> Hmmm, as I recall, UBC has been getting their butts kicked the last few
>>> years by Saskatchewan and this year by Manitoba. I am not sure the
>>> better
>>> competition reason holds much water when they are already getting wasted
>>> by the those "weaker" prairie clubs.
>>>
>>
>>Sorry I was a little out of it when I posted this. I'd been on Nyquil and
>>fishermen's friends for the last 2 days. The point I think I was trying
>>to
>>make was that if Canadian Universities join the NCAA they will have to
>>switch to 4 down football. If this happens the Highschools will also
>>switch
>>to 4 down football. The loss of the feeder system will stress the CFL's
>>continuing I think the word would be legitimacy. 3 down CFL might not
>>seem
>>as viable to the owners who ultimately might have to switch themselves to
>>preserve the league. That would be a sad day indeed.
>>
>>
>>SS
>>
>
> Why would High Schools, or Junior leagues, or Bantams have to switch
> to 4 downs? Even if the Universities change to 4 downs, so what. Over
> half the CFL players were trained in the US 4 down system and they're
> able to adjust.
>

What I'm saying is that if the Universities were to go to 4 down the
highschools would most likely follow suit so as to best prepare their
players to make the next level. If that do so this leaves the CFL as a
stand alone in the 3 down variety.


SS
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T.J. Higgins



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:09 pm    Post subject: Re: CFL under attack again Reply with quote

In article , Father Guido wrote:
>On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:50:20 -0500, "Sharpsh00ter"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"GL" wrote in message
>>@corp.supernews.com...
>>> S> Caliber of competition is also an attraction. "I know the NCAA has its
>>> S> critics," Philip says. "But if you have a university program and you're
>>> S> looking for the best competition in the world, that's where it is."
>>>
>>> Hmmm, as I recall, UBC has been getting their butts kicked the last few
>>> years by Saskatchewan and this year by Manitoba. I am not sure the better
>>> competition reason holds much water when they are already getting wasted
>>> by the those "weaker" prairie clubs.
>>>
>>
>>Sorry I was a little out of it when I posted this. I'd been on Nyquil and
>>fishermen's friends for the last 2 days. The point I think I was trying to
>>make was that if Canadian Universities join the NCAA they will have to
>>switch to 4 down football. If this happens the Highschools will also switch
>>to 4 down football. The loss of the feeder system will stress the CFL's
>>continuing I think the word would be legitimacy. 3 down CFL might not seem
>>as viable to the owners who ultimately might have to switch themselves to
>>preserve the league. That would be a sad day indeed.
>>
>>
>>SS
>>
>
>Why would High Schools, or Junior leagues, or Bantams have to switch
>to 4 downs? Even if the Universities change to 4 downs, so what. Over
>half the CFL players were trained in the US 4 down system and they're
>able to adjust.

Well if the universities switch to 4-down, and high schools don't,
the universities will start recruiting from the States. Think it's
hard for the CFL to find good Canadian talent now?

From Alabama,
--
TJH

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:55 am    Post subject: Re: CFL under attack again Reply with quote

Sharpsh00ter wrote:
> "Father Guido" wrote in message
> @4ax.com...
>
>>On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:50:20 -0500, "Sharpsh00ter"
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"GL" wrote in message
>>>@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>>S> Caliber of competition is also an attraction. "I know the NCAA has
>>>>its
>>>>S> critics," Philip says. "But if you have a university program and
>>>>you're
>>>>S> looking for the best competition in the world, that's where it is."
>>>>
>>>>Hmmm, as I recall, UBC has been getting their butts kicked the last few
>>>>years by Saskatchewan and this year by Manitoba. I am not sure the
>>>>better
>>>>competition reason holds much water when they are already getting wasted
>>>>by the those "weaker" prairie clubs.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Sorry I was a little out of it when I posted this. I'd been on Nyquil and
>>>fishermen's friends for the last 2 days. The point I think I was trying
>>>to
>>>make was that if Canadian Universities join the NCAA they will have to
>>>switch to 4 down football. If this happens the Highschools will also
>>>switch
>>>to 4 down football. The loss of the feeder system will stress the CFL's
>>>continuing I think the word would be legitimacy. 3 down CFL might not
>>>seem
>>>as viable to the owners who ultimately might have to switch themselves to
>>>preserve the league. That would be a sad day indeed.
>>>
>>>
>>>SS
>>>
>>
>>Why would High Schools, or Junior leagues, or Bantams have to switch
>>to 4 downs? Even if the Universities change to 4 downs, so what. Over
>>half the CFL players were trained in the US 4 down system and they're
>>able to adjust.
>>
>
>
> What I'm saying is that if the Universities were to go to 4 down the
> highschools would most likely follow suit so as to best prepare their
> players to make the next level. If that do so this leaves the CFL as a
> stand alone in the 3 down variety.
>
>
> SS
>
>
>
Don't the highschools already play 4 down ball? They do in the
metro-Vancouver region.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:07 pm    Post subject: Re: CFL under attack again Reply with quote

"Krammerhead" wrote in message @giganews.com...
> Sharpsh00ter wrote:
>> "Father Guido" wrote in message
>> @4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:50:20 -0500, "Sharpsh00ter"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"GL" wrote in message
>>>>@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>
>>>>>S> Caliber of competition is also an attraction. "I know the NCAA has
>>>>>its
>>>>>S> critics," Philip says. "But if you have a university program and
>>>>>you're
>>>>>S> looking for the best competition in the world, that's where it is."
>>>>>
>>>>>Hmmm, as I recall, UBC has been getting their butts kicked the last few
>>>>>years by Saskatchewan and this year by Manitoba. I am not sure the
>>>>>better
>>>>>competition reason holds much water when they are already getting
>>>>>wasted
>>>>>by the those "weaker" prairie clubs.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sorry I was a little out of it when I posted this. I'd been on Nyquil
>>>>and
>>>>fishermen's friends for the last 2 days. The point I think I was
>>>>trying to
>>>>make was that if Canadian Universities join the NCAA they will have to
>>>>switch to 4 down football. If this happens the Highschools will also
>>>>switch
>>>>to 4 down football. The loss of the feeder system will stress the
>>>>CFL's
>>>>continuing I think the word would be legitimacy. 3 down CFL might not
>>>>seem
>>>>as viable to the owners who ultimately might have to switch themselves
>>>>to
>>>>preserve the league. That would be a sad day indeed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>SS
>>>>
>>>
>>>Why would High Schools, or Junior leagues, or Bantams have to switch
>>>to 4 downs? Even if the Universities change to 4 downs, so what. Over
>>>half the CFL players were trained in the US 4 down system and they're
>>>able to adjust.
>>>
>>
>>
>> What I'm saying is that if the Universities were to go to 4 down the
>> highschools would most likely follow suit so as to best prepare their
>> players to make the next level. If that do so this leaves the CFL as a
>> stand alone in the 3 down variety.
>>
>>
>> SS
>>
>>
>>
> Don't the highschools already play 4 down ball? They do in the
> metro-Vancouver region.
>

In this part of Ontario the HS's play CFL style.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:20 pm    Post subject: Re: CFL under attack again Reply with quote

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:07:18 -0500, "Sharpsh00ter"
wrote:

>
>"Krammerhead" wrote in message
>@giganews.com...
>> Sharpsh00ter wrote:
>>> "Father Guido" wrote in message
>>> @4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:50:20 -0500, "Sharpsh00ter"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"GL" wrote in message
>>>>>@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>S> Caliber of competition is also an attraction. "I know the NCAA has
>>>>>>its
>>>>>>S> critics," Philip says. "But if you have a university program and
>>>>>>you're
>>>>>>S> looking for the best competition in the world, that's where it is."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hmmm, as I recall, UBC has been getting their butts kicked the last few
>>>>>>years by Saskatchewan and this year by Manitoba. I am not sure the
>>>>>>better
>>>>>>competition reason holds much water when they are already getting
>>>>>>wasted
>>>>>>by the those "weaker" prairie clubs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Sorry I was a little out of it when I posted this. I'd been on Nyquil
>>>>>and
>>>>>fishermen's friends for the last 2 days. The point I think I was
>>>>>trying to
>>>>>make was that if Canadian Universities join the NCAA they will have to
>>>>>switch to 4 down football. If this happens the Highschools will also
>>>>>switch
>>>>>to 4 down football. The loss of the feeder system will stress the
>>>>>CFL's
>>>>>continuing I think the word would be legitimacy. 3 down CFL might not
>>>>>seem
>>>>>as viable to the owners who ultimately might have to switch themselves
>>>>>to
>>>>>preserve the league. That would be a sad day indeed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>SS
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Why would High Schools, or Junior leagues, or Bantams have to switch
>>>>to 4 downs? Even if the Universities change to 4 downs, so what. Over
>>>>half the CFL players were trained in the US 4 down system and they're
>>>>able to adjust.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What I'm saying is that if the Universities were to go to 4 down the
>>> highschools would most likely follow suit so as to best prepare their
>>> players to make the next level. If that do so this leaves the CFL as a
>>> stand alone in the 3 down variety.
>>>
>>>
>>> SS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Don't the highschools already play 4 down ball? They do in the
>> metro-Vancouver region.
>>
>
>In this part of Ontario the HS's play CFL style.
>
>
>SS
>

Ditto for Alberta.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:46 pm    Post subject: Re: CFL under attack again Reply with quote

"Father Guido" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:07:18 -0500, "Sharpsh00ter"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Krammerhead" wrote in message
>>@giganews.com...
>>> Sharpsh00ter wrote:
>>>> "Father Guido" wrote in message
>>>> @4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:50:20 -0500, "Sharpsh00ter"
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"GL" wrote in message
>>>>>>@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>S> Caliber of competition is also an attraction. "I know the NCAA has
>>>>>>>its
>>>>>>>S> critics," Philip says. "But if you have a university program and
>>>>>>>you're
>>>>>>>S> looking for the best competition in the world, that's where it
>>>>>>>is."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hmmm, as I recall, UBC has been getting their butts kicked the last
>>>>>>>few
>>>>>>>years by Saskatchewan and this year by Manitoba. I am not sure the
>>>>>>>better
>>>>>>>competition reason holds much water when they are already getting
>>>>>>>wasted
>>>>>>>by the those "weaker" prairie clubs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sorry I was a little out of it when I posted this. I'd been on Nyquil
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>fishermen's friends for the last 2 days. The point I think I was
>>>>>>trying to
>>>>>>make was that if Canadian Universities join the NCAA they will have to
>>>>>>switch to 4 down football. If this happens the Highschools will also
>>>>>>switch
>>>>>>to 4 down football. The loss of the feeder system will stress the
>>>>>>CFL's
>>>>>>continuing I think the word would be legitimacy. 3 down CFL might not
>>>>>>seem
>>>>>>as viable to the owners who ultimately might have to switch themselves
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>preserve the league. That would be a sad day indeed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>SS
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Why would High Schools, or Junior leagues, or Bantams have to switch
>>>>>to 4 downs? Even if the Universities change to 4 downs, so what. Over
>>>>>half the CFL players were trained in the US 4 down system and they're
>>>>>able to adjust.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What I'm saying is that if the Universities were to go to 4 down the
>>>> highschools would most likely follow suit so as to best prepare their
>>>> players to make the next level. If that do so this leaves the CFL as a
>>>> stand alone in the 3 down variety.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> SS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Don't the highschools already play 4 down ball? They do in the
>>> metro-Vancouver region.
>>>
>>
>>In this part of Ontario the HS's play CFL style.
>>
>>
>>SS
>>
>
> Ditto for Alberta.\


I checked it out and Not only do the Highschools play 3 down so do the OVFL
(under 19) & the NFC (Men's league)


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