Combine buzz

mitchellUF · Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 10

McFadden's 40 time buzz got me thinking. If the Dolphins bypass
McFadden and he has an amazing season ala Adrian Peterson without the
injury, do we as Dolphin fans become bitter? The thought of having a
#2 and #1 pick in the backfield is unrealistic (though Parcells has
been known to try 2-back systems), but if we shun, by all accounts,
one of the best RB prospects in the past few years and perhaps the #1
athlete and collegiate back, do we kick ourselves in the future when
he's racking up yards and pro bowl invitations (even assuming Brown
has a full recovery from knee injury and good seasons ahead)?

Should 'needs' always surpass selecting the top player in the draft?
For example, Kansas City Chiefs president Carl Peterson said, after
McFadden's combine, that he would consider him at the #5 pick while
holding on to Larry Johnson. I'm just weary of the idea of this #1
pick coming back to haunt us as it does for many a time in the past.

In other news, I'm beginning to drink the Flacco juice. All reports
have indicated that Flacco had an excellent performance at the
combine, particularly showing off great arm strength and good
accuracy. From what I've heard, he has the strongest arm in the QB
class (not a Jamarcus, but just a notch below). Furthermore, his 40
times in the past have been so-so, but he is doing quite well amongst
QBs in the shorter drills like the 20 yard shuttle and cones drill,
which tells me he can be shifty and has the short bursts necessary to
evade the occasional sack. Some are now projecting Flacco as a
possible late first round pick, though that may just be some temporary
momentum from his performance.

Though Romo ended up a 5th round pick I believe, I'm hoping Flacco
falls in our laps somewhere in the 2nd round and becomes that next
Division I-AA QB to 'make' it in the NFL. Worst comes to worst...well
we can't be any worse at this point.

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Deadmeat · Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Posts: 28

mitchellUF@gmail.com wrote:
> McFadden's 40 time buzz got me thinking. If the Dolphins bypass
> McFadden and he has an amazing season ala Adrian Peterson without the
> injury, do we as Dolphin fans become bitter? The thought of having a
> #2 and #1 pick in the backfield is unrealistic (though Parcells has
> been known to try 2-back systems), but if we shun, by all accounts,
> one of the best RB prospects in the past few years and perhaps the #1
> athlete and collegiate back, do we kick ourselves in the future when
> he's racking up yards and pro bowl invitations (even assuming Brown
> has a full recovery from knee injury and good seasons ahead)?
>
> Should 'needs' always surpass selecting the top player in the draft?
> For example, Kansas City Chiefs president Carl Peterson said, after
> McFadden's combine, that he would consider him at the #5 pick while
> holding on to Larry Johnson. I'm just weary of the idea of this #1
> pick coming back to haunt us as it does for many a time in the past.
>
> In other news, I'm beginning to drink the Flacco juice. All reports
> have indicated that Flacco had an excellent performance at the
> combine, particularly showing off great arm strength and good
> accuracy. From what I've heard, he has the strongest arm in the QB
> class (not a Jamarcus, but just a notch below). Furthermore, his 40
> times in the past have been so-so, but he is doing quite well amongst
> QBs in the shorter drills like the 20 yard shuttle and cones drill,
> which tells me he can be shifty and has the short bursts necessary to
> evade the occasional sack. Some are now projecting Flacco as a
> possible late first round pick, though that may just be some temporary
> momentum from his performance.
>
> Though Romo ended up a 5th round pick I believe, I'm hoping Flacco
> falls in our laps somewhere in the 2nd round and becomes that next
> Division I-AA QB to 'make' it in the NFL. Worst comes to worst...well
> we can't be any worse at this point.

Running back is not a priority for the Dolphins. Mcfadden isn't even
the top RB on some of the "experts" lists. The guy is fast, but he also
fumbles a ton, 23 times over the last 2 years. IMO they should grab
Jake Long if they don't trade out.

mitchellUF · Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 10

On Feb 25, 11:33 am, Deadmeat wrote:
> mitchel...@gmail.com wrote:
> > McFadden's 40 time buzz got me thinking. If the Dolphins bypass
> > McFadden and he has an amazing season ala Adrian Peterson without the
> > injury, do we as Dolphin fans become bitter? The thought of having a
> > #2 and #1 pick in the backfield is unrealistic (though Parcells has
> > been known to try 2-back systems), but if we shun, by all accounts,
> > one of the best RB prospects in the past few years and perhaps the #1
> > athlete and collegiate back, do we kick ourselves in the future when
> > he's racking up yards and pro bowl invitations (even assuming Brown
> > has a full recovery from knee injury and good seasons ahead)?
>
> > Should 'needs' always surpass selecting the top player in the draft?
> > For example, Kansas City Chiefs president Carl Peterson said, after
> > McFadden's combine, that he would consider him at the #5 pick while
> > holding on to Larry Johnson. I'm just weary of the idea of this #1
> > pick coming back to haunt us as it does for many a time in the past.
>
> > In other news, I'm beginning to drink the Flacco juice. All reports
> > have indicated that Flacco had an excellent performance at the
> > combine, particularly showing off great arm strength and good
> > accuracy. From what I've heard, he has the strongest arm in the QB
> > class (not a Jamarcus, but just a notch below). Furthermore, his 40
> > times in the past have been so-so, but he is doing quite well amongst
> > QBs in the shorter drills like the 20 yard shuttle and cones drill,
> > which tells me he can be shifty and has the short bursts necessary to
> > evade the occasional sack. Some are now projecting Flacco as a
> > possible late first round pick, though that may just be some temporary
> > momentum from his performance.
>
> > Though Romo ended up a 5th round pick I believe, I'm hoping Flacco
> > falls in our laps somewhere in the 2nd round and becomes that next
> > Division I-AA QB to 'make' it in the NFL. Worst comes to worst...well
> > we can't be any worse at this point.
>
> Running back is not a priority for the Dolphins. Mcfadden isn't even
> the top RB on some of the "experts" lists. The guy is fast, but he also
> fumbles a ton, 23 times over the last 2 years. IMO they should grab
> Jake Long if they don't trade out.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I would like to see this 'expert' list you're talking about especially
after his showing at the combine. Mendenhall and Jonathan Stewart are
both known as very good RB prospects
(and both had great 40 times for their size). Even McFadden's fellow
RB, Felix Jones is a possible first rounder. However, the overall
consensus is that McFadden is the clear #1 RB in the draft and some
would say, the #1 player in the draft.

Deadmeat · Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Posts: 28

mitchellUF@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 25, 11:33 am, Deadmeat wrote:
>> mitchel...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> McFadden's 40 time buzz got me thinking. If the Dolphins bypass
>>> McFadden and he has an amazing season ala Adrian Peterson without the
>>> injury, do we as Dolphin fans become bitter? The thought of having a
>>> #2 and #1 pick in the backfield is unrealistic (though Parcells has
>>> been known to try 2-back systems), but if we shun, by all accounts,
>>> one of the best RB prospects in the past few years and perhaps the #1
>>> athlete and collegiate back, do we kick ourselves in the future when
>>> he's racking up yards and pro bowl invitations (even assuming Brown
>>> has a full recovery from knee injury and good seasons ahead)?
>>> Should 'needs' always surpass selecting the top player in the draft?
>>> For example, Kansas City Chiefs president Carl Peterson said, after
>>> McFadden's combine, that he would consider him at the #5 pick while
>>> holding on to Larry Johnson. I'm just weary of the idea of this #1
>>> pick coming back to haunt us as it does for many a time in the past.
>>> In other news, I'm beginning to drink the Flacco juice. All reports
>>> have indicated that Flacco had an excellent performance at the
>>> combine, particularly showing off great arm strength and good
>>> accuracy. From what I've heard, he has the strongest arm in the QB
>>> class (not a Jamarcus, but just a notch below). Furthermore, his 40
>>> times in the past have been so-so, but he is doing quite well amongst
>>> QBs in the shorter drills like the 20 yard shuttle and cones drill,
>>> which tells me he can be shifty and has the short bursts necessary to
>>> evade the occasional sack. Some are now projecting Flacco as a
>>> possible late first round pick, though that may just be some temporary
>>> momentum from his performance.
>>> Though Romo ended up a 5th round pick I believe, I'm hoping Flacco
>>> falls in our laps somewhere in the 2nd round and becomes that next
>>> Division I-AA QB to 'make' it in the NFL. Worst comes to worst...well
>>> we can't be any worse at this point.
>> Running back is not a priority for the Dolphins. Mcfadden isn't even
>> the top RB on some of the "experts" lists. The guy is fast, but he also
>> fumbles a ton, 23 times over the last 2 years. IMO they should grab
>> Jake Long if they don't trade out.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I would like to see this 'expert' list you're talking about especially
> after his showing at the combine. Mendenhall and Jonathan Stewart are
> both known as very good RB prospects
> (and both had great 40 times for their size). Even McFadden's fellow
> RB, Felix Jones is a possible first rounder. However, the overall
> consensus is that McFadden is the clear #1 RB in the draft and some
> would say, the #1 player in the draft.

Mike Mayock had him as his No. 2. There was one other guy who had him
at 2 also, but I can't remember off the top of my head. I'll try and
get his name.

The fins have a lot more needs than running back, like OL to
block for them.

jay lunis · Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Posts: 4

mitchellUF@gmail.com wrote:
> McFadden's 40 time buzz got me thinking. If the Dolphins bypass
> McFadden and he has an amazing season ala Adrian Peterson without the
> injury, do we as Dolphin fans become bitter? The thought of having a
> #2 and #1 pick in the backfield is unrealistic (though Parcells has
> been known to try 2-back systems), but if we shun, by all accounts,
> one of the best RB prospects in the past few years and perhaps the #1
> athlete and collegiate back, do we kick ourselves in the future when
> he's racking up yards and pro bowl invitations (even assuming Brown
> has a full recovery from knee injury and good seasons ahead)?
>
> Should 'needs' always surpass selecting the top player in the draft?
> For example, Kansas City Chiefs president Carl Peterson said, after
> McFadden's combine, that he would consider him at the #5 pick while
> holding on to Larry Johnson. I'm just weary of the idea of this #1
> pick coming back to haunt us as it does for many a time in the past.
>
> In other news, I'm beginning to drink the Flacco juice. All reports
> have indicated that Flacco had an excellent performance at the
> combine, particularly showing off great arm strength and good
> accuracy. From what I've heard, he has the strongest arm in the QB
> class (not a Jamarcus, but just a notch below). Furthermore, his 40
> times in the past have been so-so, but he is doing quite well amongst
> QBs in the shorter drills like the 20 yard shuttle and cones drill,
> which tells me he can be shifty and has the short bursts necessary to
> evade the occasional sack. Some are now projecting Flacco as a
> possible late first round pick, though that may just be some temporary
> momentum from his performance.
>
> Though Romo ended up a 5th round pick I believe, I'm hoping Flacco
> falls in our laps somewhere in the 2nd round and becomes that next
> Division I-AA QB to 'make' it in the NFL. Worst comes to worst...well
> we can't be any worse at this point.

I am somewhat agnostic in who we take at #1 (assuming my dream of
trading down evaporates). I am more inclined to think our #1 pick is
influenced some by who we can get as FA. If we can get a top FA OT, I
don't want long. If we can get a good FA QB, I would be less inclined
toward a #1 QB pick. And on the positive news side (did I really say
'positive?') we have enough holes we could almost pick any of the
projected top 10 picks and improve at the position.

tom · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 21

On Feb 25, 1:48 pm, jay lunis wrote:
> mitchel...@gmail.com wrote:
> > McFadden's 40 time buzz got me thinking. If the Dolphins bypass
> > McFadden and he has an amazing season ala Adrian Peterson without the
> > injury, do we as Dolphin fans become bitter? The thought of having a
> > #2 and #1 pick in the backfield is unrealistic (though Parcells has
> > been known to try 2-back systems), but if we shun, by all accounts,
> > one of the best RB prospects in the past few years and perhaps the #1
> > athlete and collegiate back, do we kick ourselves in the future when
> > he's racking up yards and pro bowl invitations (even assuming Brown
> > has a full recovery from knee injury and good seasons ahead)?
>
> > Should 'needs' always surpass selecting the top player in the draft?
> > For example, Kansas City Chiefs president Carl Peterson said, after
> > McFadden's combine, that he would consider him at the #5 pick while
> > holding on to Larry Johnson. I'm just weary of the idea of this #1
> > pick coming back to haunt us as it does for many a time in the past.
>
> > In other news, I'm beginning to drink the Flacco juice. All reports
> > have indicated that Flacco had an excellent performance at the
> > combine, particularly showing off great arm strength and good
> > accuracy. From what I've heard, he has the strongest arm in the QB
> > class (not a Jamarcus, but just a notch below). Furthermore, his 40
> > times in the past have been so-so, but he is doing quite well amongst
> > QBs in the shorter drills like the 20 yard shuttle and cones drill,
> > which tells me he can be shifty and has the short bursts necessary to
> > evade the occasional sack. Some are now projecting Flacco as a
> > possible late first round pick, though that may just be some temporary
> > momentum from his performance.
>
> > Though Romo ended up a 5th round pick I believe, I'm hoping Flacco
> > falls in our laps somewhere in the 2nd round and becomes that next
> > Division I-AA QB to 'make' it in the NFL. Worst comes to worst...well
> > we can't be any worse at this point.
>
> I am somewhat agnostic in who we take at #1 (assuming my dream of
> trading down evaporates). I am more inclined to think our #1 pick is
> influenced some by who we can get as FA. If we can get a top FA OT, I
> don't want long. If we can get a good FA QB, I would be less inclined
> toward a #1 QB pick. And on the positive news side (did I really say
> 'positive?') we have enough holes we could almost pick any of the
> projected top 10 picks and improve at the position.

We have got to get a QB....John Beck is a long way, if ever, from
being anything but a backup.

TH

RUUUUDY · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 9

On Feb 25, 3:48 pm, t...@aerovons.com wrote:
> On Feb 25, 1:48 pm, jay lunis wrote:
>
>
>
> > mitchel...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > McFadden's 40 time buzz got me thinking. If the Dolphins bypass
> > > McFadden and he has an amazing season ala Adrian Peterson without the
> > > injury, do we as Dolphin fans become bitter? The thought of having a
> > > #2 and #1 pick in the backfield is unrealistic (though Parcells has
> > > been known to try 2-back systems), but if we shun, by all accounts,
> > > one of the best RB prospects in the past few years and perhaps the #1
> > > athlete and collegiate back, do we kick ourselves in the future when
> > > he's racking up yards and pro bowl invitations (even assuming Brown
> > > has a full recovery from knee injury and good seasons ahead)?
>
> > > Should 'needs' always surpass selecting the top player in the draft?
> > > For example, Kansas City Chiefs president Carl Peterson said, after
> > > McFadden's combine, that he would consider him at the #5 pick while
> > > holding on to Larry Johnson. I'm just weary of the idea of this #1
> > > pick coming back to haunt us as it does for many a time in the past.
>
> > > In other news, I'm beginning to drink the Flacco juice. All reports
> > > have indicated that Flacco had an excellent performance at the
> > > combine, particularly showing off great arm strength and good
> > > accuracy. From what I've heard, he has the strongest arm in the QB
> > > class (not a Jamarcus, but just a notch below). Furthermore, his 40
> > > times in the past have been so-so, but he is doing quite well amongst
> > > QBs in the shorter drills like the 20 yard shuttle and cones drill,
> > > which tells me he can be shifty and has the short bursts necessary to
> > > evade the occasional sack. Some are now projecting Flacco as a
> > > possible late first round pick, though that may just be some temporary
> > > momentum from his performance.
>
> > > Though Romo ended up a 5th round pick I believe, I'm hoping Flacco
> > > falls in our laps somewhere in the 2nd round and becomes that next
> > > Division I-AA QB to 'make' it in the NFL. Worst comes to worst...well
> > > we can't be any worse at this point.
>
> > I am somewhat agnostic in who we take at #1 (assuming my dream of
> > trading down evaporates). I am more inclined to think our #1 pick is
> > influenced some by who we can get as FA. If we can get a top FA OT, I
> > don't want long. If we can get a good FA QB, I would be less inclined
> > toward a #1 QB pick. And on the positive news side (did I really say
> > 'positive?') we have enough holes we could almost pick any of the
> > projected top 10 picks and improve at the position.
>
> We have got to get a QB....John Beck is a long way, if ever, from
> being anything but a backup.
>
> TH

Unfair statement.

Deadmeat · Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Posts: 28

tom@aerovons.com wrote:
> On Feb 25, 1:48 pm, jay lunis wrote:
>> mitchel...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> McFadden's 40 time buzz got me thinking. If the Dolphins bypass
>>> McFadden and he has an amazing season ala Adrian Peterson without the
>>> injury, do we as Dolphin fans become bitter? The thought of having a
>>> #2 and #1 pick in the backfield is unrealistic (though Parcells has
>>> been known to try 2-back systems), but if we shun, by all accounts,
>>> one of the best RB prospects in the past few years and perhaps the #1
>>> athlete and collegiate back, do we kick ourselves in the future when
>>> he's racking up yards and pro bowl invitations (even assuming Brown
>>> has a full recovery from knee injury and good seasons ahead)?
>>> Should 'needs' always surpass selecting the top player in the draft?
>>> For example, Kansas City Chiefs president Carl Peterson said, after
>>> McFadden's combine, that he would consider him at the #5 pick while
>>> holding on to Larry Johnson. I'm just weary of the idea of this #1
>>> pick coming back to haunt us as it does for many a time in the past.
>>> In other news, I'm beginning to drink the Flacco juice. All reports
>>> have indicated that Flacco had an excellent performance at the
>>> combine, particularly showing off great arm strength and good
>>> accuracy. From what I've heard, he has the strongest arm in the QB
>>> class (not a Jamarcus, but just a notch below). Furthermore, his 40
>>> times in the past have been so-so, but he is doing quite well amongst
>>> QBs in the shorter drills like the 20 yard shuttle and cones drill,
>>> which tells me he can be shifty and has the short bursts necessary to
>>> evade the occasional sack. Some are now projecting Flacco as a
>>> possible late first round pick, though that may just be some temporary
>>> momentum from his performance.
>>> Though Romo ended up a 5th round pick I believe, I'm hoping Flacco
>>> falls in our laps somewhere in the 2nd round and becomes that next
>>> Division I-AA QB to 'make' it in the NFL. Worst comes to worst...well
>>> we can't be any worse at this point.
>> I am somewhat agnostic in who we take at #1 (assuming my dream of
>> trading down evaporates). I am more inclined to think our #1 pick is
>> influenced some by who we can get as FA. If we can get a top FA OT, I
>> don't want long. If we can get a good FA QB, I would be less inclined
>> toward a #1 QB pick. And on the positive news side (did I really say
>> 'positive?') we have enough holes we could almost pick any of the
>> projected top 10 picks and improve at the position.
>
>
> We have got to get a QB....John Beck is a long way, if ever, from
> being anything but a backup.
>
> TH

You're basing this on what? That he played poorly against 2 of the best
defenses in the league in bad weather? He had no OL, no really healthy
running backs, and no wide receiver to throw to. I don't think it's
fair to judge him a failure on what happened this season.

euphemism · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 25

mitchellUF@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 25, 11:33 am, Deadmeat wrote:
>> mitchel...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> McFadden's 40 time buzz got me thinking. If the Dolphins bypass
>>> McFadden and he has an amazing season ala Adrian Peterson without the
>>> injury, do we as Dolphin fans become bitter? The thought of having a
>>> #2 and #1 pick in the backfield is unrealistic (though Parcells has
>>> been known to try 2-back systems), but if we shun, by all accounts,
>>> one of the best RB prospects in the past few years and perhaps the #1
>>> athlete and collegiate back, do we kick ourselves in the future when
>>> he's racking up yards and pro bowl invitations (even assuming Brown
>>> has a full recovery from knee injury and good seasons ahead)?
>>> Should 'needs' always surpass selecting the top player in the draft?
>>> For example, Kansas City Chiefs president Carl Peterson said, after
>>> McFadden's combine, that he would consider him at the #5 pick while
>>> holding on to Larry Johnson. I'm just weary of the idea of this #1
>>> pick coming back to haunt us as it does for many a time in the past.
>>> In other news, I'm beginning to drink the Flacco juice. All reports
>>> have indicated that Flacco had an excellent performance at the
>>> combine, particularly showing off great arm strength and good
>>> accuracy. From what I've heard, he has the strongest arm in the QB
>>> class (not a Jamarcus, but just a notch below). Furthermore, his 40
>>> times in the past have been so-so, but he is doing quite well amongst
>>> QBs in the shorter drills like the 20 yard shuttle and cones drill,
>>> which tells me he can be shifty and has the short bursts necessary to
>>> evade the occasional sack. Some are now projecting Flacco as a
>>> possible late first round pick, though that may just be some temporary
>>> momentum from his performance.
>>> Though Romo ended up a 5th round pick I believe, I'm hoping Flacco
>>> falls in our laps somewhere in the 2nd round and becomes that next
>>> Division I-AA QB to 'make' it in the NFL. Worst comes to worst...well
>>> we can't be any worse at this point.
>> Running back is not a priority for the Dolphins. Mcfadden isn't even
>> the top RB on some of the "experts" lists. The guy is fast, but he also
>> fumbles a ton, 23 times over the last 2 years. IMO they should grab
>> Jake Long if they don't trade out.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I would like to see this 'expert' list you're talking about especially
> after his showing at the combine. Mendenhall and Jonathan Stewart are
> both known as very good RB prospects
> (and both had great 40 times for their size). Even McFadden's fellow
> RB, Felix Jones is a possible first rounder. However, the overall
> consensus is that McFadden is the clear #1 RB in the draft and some
> would say, the #1 player in the draft.

According to what I'm hearing - and I am only repeating what is being
said by the sportswriters - McFadden is not a #1 prospect in the
Peterson vein because he has speed and that's about it. He also has
those infamous "character issues" that tend to impact player value.

To the extent that McFadden is the only player that could conceivably
attract a trade-down partner, Miami is screwed.

I would like to hope that there is some player Miami could target that
would invite some sort of swap... even if a small step down. That's a
great start.

Recall that the Dolphins (Saban) attempted to attract a trade before
picking Ronnie Brown and failed to convince anyone that there was a
reason for stepping up to take that pick. What is needed is a team with
motive and opportunity... I don't know if there is such a combination.

Ü

euphemism · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 25

Deadmeat wrote:
> tom@aerovons.com wrote:
>> On Feb 25, 1:48 pm, jay lunis wrote:
>>> mitchel...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> McFadden's 40 time buzz got me thinking. If the Dolphins bypass
>>>> McFadden and he has an amazing season ala Adrian Peterson without the
>>>> injury, do we as Dolphin fans become bitter? The thought of having a
>>>> #2 and #1 pick in the backfield is unrealistic (though Parcells has
>>>> been known to try 2-back systems), but if we shun, by all accounts,
>>>> one of the best RB prospects in the past few years and perhaps the #1
>>>> athlete and collegiate back, do we kick ourselves in the future when
>>>> he's racking up yards and pro bowl invitations (even assuming Brown
>>>> has a full recovery from knee injury and good seasons ahead)?
>>>> Should 'needs' always surpass selecting the top player in the draft?
>>>> For example, Kansas City Chiefs president Carl Peterson said, after
>>>> McFadden's combine, that he would consider him at the #5 pick while
>>>> holding on to Larry Johnson. I'm just weary of the idea of this #1
>>>> pick coming back to haunt us as it does for many a time in the past.
>>>> In other news, I'm beginning to drink the Flacco juice. All reports
>>>> have indicated that Flacco had an excellent performance at the
>>>> combine, particularly showing off great arm strength and good
>>>> accuracy. From what I've heard, he has the strongest arm in the QB
>>>> class (not a Jamarcus, but just a notch below). Furthermore, his 40
>>>> times in the past have been so-so, but he is doing quite well amongst
>>>> QBs in the shorter drills like the 20 yard shuttle and cones drill,
>>>> which tells me he can be shifty and has the short bursts necessary to
>>>> evade the occasional sack. Some are now projecting Flacco as a
>>>> possible late first round pick, though that may just be some temporary
>>>> momentum from his performance.
>>>> Though Romo ended up a 5th round pick I believe, I'm hoping Flacco
>>>> falls in our laps somewhere in the 2nd round and becomes that next
>>>> Division I-AA QB to 'make' it in the NFL. Worst comes to worst...well
>>>> we can't be any worse at this point.
>>> I am somewhat agnostic in who we take at #1 (assuming my dream of
>>> trading down evaporates). I am more inclined to think our #1 pick is
>>> influenced some by who we can get as FA. If we can get a top FA OT, I
>>> don't want long. If we can get a good FA QB, I would be less inclined
>>> toward a #1 QB pick. And on the positive news side (did I really say
>>> 'positive?') we have enough holes we could almost pick any of the
>>> projected top 10 picks and improve at the position.
>>
>>
>> We have got to get a QB....John Beck is a long way, if ever, from
>> being anything but a backup.
>>
>> TH
>
>
> You're basing this on what? That he played poorly against 2 of the best
> defenses in the league in bad weather? He had no OL, no really healthy
> running backs, and no wide receiver to throw to. I don't think it's
> fair to judge him a failure on what happened this season.

I agree that it's early to relegate Beck to the Forever Forgettable role
just yet, but there was not much evidence that this guy has anything
special under the hood. I hope we'll see a very different player this
season - assuming that the new offense isn't just overwhelmingly
different. If he's not obviously better from the outset I would be apt
to join in with the chorus of those who believe he's a career back-up.

Ü

Bobby M · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 13

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:32:46 GMT, euphemism
wrote:

>Deadmeat wrote:
>> tom@aerovons.com wrote:
>>> On Feb 25, 1:48 pm, jay lunis wrote:
>>>> mitchel...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> McFadden's 40 time buzz got me thinking. If the Dolphins bypass
>>>>> McFadden and he has an amazing season ala Adrian Peterson without the
>>>>> injury, do we as Dolphin fans become bitter? The thought of having a
>>>>> #2 and #1 pick in the backfield is unrealistic (though Parcells has
>>>>> been known to try 2-back systems), but if we shun, by all accounts,
>>>>> one of the best RB prospects in the past few years and perhaps the #1
>>>>> athlete and collegiate back, do we kick ourselves in the future when
>>>>> he's racking up yards and pro bowl invitations (even assuming Brown
>>>>> has a full recovery from knee injury and good seasons ahead)?
>>>>> Should 'needs' always surpass selecting the top player in the draft?
>>>>> For example, Kansas City Chiefs president Carl Peterson said, after
>>>>> McFadden's combine, that he would consider him at the #5 pick while
>>>>> holding on to Larry Johnson. I'm just weary of the idea of this #1
>>>>> pick coming back to haunt us as it does for many a time in the past.
>>>>> In other news, I'm beginning to drink the Flacco juice. All reports
>>>>> have indicated that Flacco had an excellent performance at the
>>>>> combine, particularly showing off great arm strength and good
>>>>> accuracy. From what I've heard, he has the strongest arm in the QB
>>>>> class (not a Jamarcus, but just a notch below). Furthermore, his 40
>>>>> times in the past have been so-so, but he is doing quite well amongst
>>>>> QBs in the shorter drills like the 20 yard shuttle and cones drill,
>>>>> which tells me he can be shifty and has the short bursts necessary to
>>>>> evade the occasional sack. Some are now projecting Flacco as a
>>>>> possible late first round pick, though that may just be some temporary
>>>>> momentum from his performance.
>>>>> Though Romo ended up a 5th round pick I believe, I'm hoping Flacco
>>>>> falls in our laps somewhere in the 2nd round and becomes that next
>>>>> Division I-AA QB to 'make' it in the NFL. Worst comes to worst...well
>>>>> we can't be any worse at this point.
>>>> I am somewhat agnostic in who we take at #1 (assuming my dream of
>>>> trading down evaporates). I am more inclined to think our #1 pick is
>>>> influenced some by who we can get as FA. If we can get a top FA OT, I
>>>> don't want long. If we can get a good FA QB, I would be less inclined
>>>> toward a #1 QB pick. And on the positive news side (did I really say
>>>> 'positive?') we have enough holes we could almost pick any of the
>>>> projected top 10 picks and improve at the position.
>>>
>>>
>>> We have got to get a QB....John Beck is a long way, if ever, from
>>> being anything but a backup.
>>>
>>> TH
>>
>>
>> You're basing this on what? That he played poorly against 2 of the best
>> defenses in the league in bad weather? He had no OL, no really healthy
>> running backs, and no wide receiver to throw to. I don't think it's
>> fair to judge him a failure on what happened this season.
>
>
>
>I agree that it's early to relegate Beck to the Forever Forgettable role
>just yet, but there was not much evidence that this guy has anything
>special under the hood. I hope we'll see a very different player this
>season - assuming that the new offense isn't just overwhelmingly
>different. If he's not obviously better from the outset I would be apt
>to join in with the chorus of those who believe he's a career back-up.
>
>
>Ü

For me, it's more of a "gut feeling" at this point. My gut tells me
this guy isn't going anywhere. My gut is rarely wrong.

I guess Beck's future depends a lot upon who else is on our roster at
the beginning of the season. If nothing better (or ready) is
available, I expect Beck to start. I think the coaches need to push
Beck this year to see what he's got. I'm not expecting any miracles
but I think he's got to show at least some potential. He'll be 27 by
the time the season starts and the Dolphins need to move on, with or
without him.

Bobby M
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Jack · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:00:07 +0000, Bobby M wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:32:46 GMT, euphemism
>wrote:
>
>>Deadmeat wrote:
>>> tom@aerovons.com wrote:
>>>> On Feb 25, 1:48 pm, jay lunis wrote:
>>>>> mitchel...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> McFadden's 40 time buzz got me thinking. If the Dolphins bypass
>>>>>> McFadden and he has an amazing season ala Adrian Peterson without the
>>>>>> injury, do we as Dolphin fans become bitter? The thought of having a
>>>>>> #2 and #1 pick in the backfield is unrealistic (though Parcells has
>>>>>> been known to try 2-back systems), but if we shun, by all accounts,
>>>>>> one of the best RB prospects in the past few years and perhaps the #1
>>>>>> athlete and collegiate back, do we kick ourselves in the future when
>>>>>> he's racking up yards and pro bowl invitations (even assuming Brown
>>>>>> has a full recovery from knee injury and good seasons ahead)?
>>>>>> Should 'needs' always surpass selecting the top player in the draft?
>>>>>> For example, Kansas City Chiefs president Carl Peterson said, after
>>>>>> McFadden's combine, that he would consider him at the #5 pick while
>>>>>> holding on to Larry Johnson. I'm just weary of the idea of this #1
>>>>>> pick coming back to haunt us as it does for many a time in the past.
>>>>>> In other news, I'm beginning to drink the Flacco juice. All reports
>>>>>> have indicated that Flacco had an excellent performance at the
>>>>>> combine, particularly showing off great arm strength and good
>>>>>> accuracy. From what I've heard, he has the strongest arm in the QB
>>>>>> class (not a Jamarcus, but just a notch below). Furthermore, his 40
>>>>>> times in the past have been so-so, but he is doing quite well amongst
>>>>>> QBs in the shorter drills like the 20 yard shuttle and cones drill,
>>>>>> which tells me he can be shifty and has the short bursts necessary to
>>>>>> evade the occasional sack. Some are now projecting Flacco as a
>>>>>> possible late first round pick, though that may just be some temporary
>>>>>> momentum from his performance.
>>>>>> Though Romo ended up a 5th round pick I believe, I'm hoping Flacco
>>>>>> falls in our laps somewhere in the 2nd round and becomes that next
>>>>>> Division I-AA QB to 'make' it in the NFL. Worst comes to worst...well
>>>>>> we can't be any worse at this point.
>>>>> I am somewhat agnostic in who we take at #1 (assuming my dream of
>>>>> trading down evaporates). I am more inclined to think our #1 pick is
>>>>> influenced some by who we can get as FA. If we can get a top FA OT, I
>>>>> don't want long. If we can get a good FA QB, I would be less inclined
>>>>> toward a #1 QB pick. And on the positive news side (did I really say
>>>>> 'positive?') we have enough holes we could almost pick any of the
>>>>> projected top 10 picks and improve at the position.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We have got to get a QB....John Beck is a long way, if ever, from
>>>> being anything but a backup.
>>>>
>>>> TH
>>>
>>>
>>> You're basing this on what? That he played poorly against 2 of the best
>>> defenses in the league in bad weather? He had no OL, no really healthy
>>> running backs, and no wide receiver to throw to. I don't think it's
>>> fair to judge him a failure on what happened this season.
>>
>>
>>
>>I agree that it's early to relegate Beck to the Forever Forgettable role
>>just yet, but there was not much evidence that this guy has anything
>>special under the hood. I hope we'll see a very different player this
>>season - assuming that the new offense isn't just overwhelmingly
>>different. If he's not obviously better from the outset I would be apt
>>to join in with the chorus of those who believe he's a career back-up.
>>
>>
>>Ü
>
>For me, it's more of a "gut feeling" at this point. My gut tells me
>this guy isn't going anywhere. My gut is rarely wrong.
>
>I guess Beck's future depends a lot upon who else is on our roster at
>the beginning of the season. If nothing better (or ready) is
>available, I expect Beck to start. I think the coaches need to push
>Beck this year to see what he's got. I'm not expecting any miracles
>but I think he's got to show at least some potential. He'll be 27 by
>the time the season starts and the Dolphins need to move on, with or
>without him.
>
>Bobby M
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Whether Beck pans out or not, we shold not be using our first pick on
a QB, IMO. We'd need to draft a guy who can make a difference on day
one. That would be either Jake Long, Chris Long, or Ryan Clady I
think. We have a great DE pass rusher already and another one
wouldn't hurt but what we don't have is a great franchise-type LOT. I
think by much of what I've read, Jake Long is that guy if Parcells
wants to use the first pick on offense. Clady is apparently an
extremely close 2nd. If the Tuna wants defense to be top priority,
then he needs to also find some FA OL help along with some DT help in
either the draft or the FA market.

I agree that the likelihood of finding a trading partner slotted high
enough to sniff a top tier prospect is dim and the Fins will end up
using the #1 pick. In that vein, I wholeheartedly concur with the
notion that the Fins should just determine who they are going to
draft, reach a contract agreement before the draft and pull the
trigger. No pussy-footing around. If the guy can make an impact and
they have settled on him, do the deal and concentrate on the strategy
for the remaining picks and free agency.

CrackerJack
Go Fins !!!

tom · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 21

On Feb 25, 5:30 pm, Deadmeat wrote:
> t...@aerovons.com wrote:
> > On Feb 25, 1:48 pm, jay lunis wrote:
> >> mitchel...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> McFadden's 40 time buzz got me thinking. If the Dolphins bypass
> >>> McFadden and he has an amazing season ala Adrian Peterson without the
> >>> injury, do we as Dolphin fans become bitter? The thought of having a
> >>> #2 and #1 pick in the backfield is unrealistic (though Parcells has
> >>> been known to try 2-back systems), but if we shun, by all accounts,
> >>> one of the best RB prospects in the past few years and perhaps the #1
> >>> athlete and collegiate back, do we kick ourselves in the future when
> >>> he's racking up yards and pro bowl invitations (even assuming Brown
> >>> has a full recovery from knee injury and good seasons ahead)?
> >>> Should 'needs' always surpass selecting the top player in the draft?
> >>> For example, Kansas City Chiefs president Carl Peterson said, after
> >>> McFadden's combine, that he would consider him at the #5 pick while
> >>> holding on to Larry Johnson. I'm just weary of the idea of this #1
> >>> pick coming back to haunt us as it does for many a time in the past.
> >>> In other news, I'm beginning to drink the Flacco juice. All reports
> >>> have indicated that Flacco had an excellent performance at the
> >>> combine, particularly showing off great arm strength and good
> >>> accuracy. From what I've heard, he has the strongest arm in the QB
> >>> class (not a Jamarcus, but just a notch below). Furthermore, his 40
> >>> times in the past have been so-so, but he is doing quite well amongst
> >>> QBs in the shorter drills like the 20 yard shuttle and cones drill,
> >>> which tells me he can be shifty and has the short bursts necessary to
> >>> evade the occasional sack. Some are now projecting Flacco as a
> >>> possible late first round pick, though that may just be some temporary
> >>> momentum from his performance.
> >>> Though Romo ended up a 5th round pick I believe, I'm hoping Flacco
> >>> falls in our laps somewhere in the 2nd round and becomes that next
> >>> Division I-AA QB to 'make' it in the NFL. Worst comes to worst...well
> >>> we can't be any worse at this point.
> >> I am somewhat agnostic in who we take at #1 (assuming my dream of
> >> trading down evaporates). I am more inclined to think our #1 pick is
> >> influenced some by who we can get as FA. If we can get a top FA OT, I
> >> don't want long. If we can get a good FA QB, I would be less inclined
> >> toward a #1 QB pick. And on the positive news side (did I really say
> >> 'positive?') we have enough holes we could almost pick any of the
> >> projected top 10 picks and improve at the position.
>
> > We have got to get a QB....John Beck is a long way, if ever, from
> > being anything but a backup.
>
> > TH
>
> You're basing this on what? That he played poorly against 2 of the best
> defenses in the league in bad weather? He had no OL, no really healthy
> running backs, and no wide receiver to throw to. I don't think it's
> fair to judge him a failure on what happened this season.

I'm basing this on the fact that unless I was getting TV reception
from an alternative universe there were PLENTY of plays were Beck DID
have time, and he looked like Fiedler on a bad day. Great, and even
GOOD QB's, show flashes of their expertise and potential even in their
rookie year (need I cite examples?) even if they are green. Beck
showed none of this, missing receivers constantly.

Is there actually someone up here who thinks the Dolphins are set at
QB?

TH

Curt Fennell · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 4

On 2008-02-25, euphemism wrote:
>
> According to what I'm hearing - and I am only repeating what is being
> said by the sportswriters - McFadden is not a #1 prospect in the
> Peterson vein because he has speed and that's about it. He also has
> those infamous "character issues" that tend to impact player value.
>
> To the extent that McFadden is the only player that could conceivably
> attract a trade-down partner, Miami is screwed.

There are two rumors floating around about this:

1. Atlanta is enamored with Matt Ryan and would be willing to trade up to #1
to ensure they get him. That would get Miami the #3 spot and possibly CB
DeAngelo Hall.

2. The rumors about the trade with Dallas persist. The #1 spot for Dallas' two
lower first round picks and Marion Barber.

Curt
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mitchellUF · Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 10

On Feb 26, 8:15 am, t...@aerovons.com wrote:
> On Feb 25, 5:30 pm, Deadmeat wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > t...@aerovons.com wrote:
> > > On Feb 25, 1:48 pm, jay lunis wrote:
> > >> mitchel...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>> McFadden's 40 time buzz got me thinking. If the Dolphins bypass
> > >>> McFadden and he has an amazing season ala Adrian Peterson without the
> > >>> injury, do we as Dolphin fans become bitter? The thought of having a
> > >>> #2 and #1 pick in the backfield is unrealistic (though Parcells has
> > >>> been known to try 2-back systems), but if we shun, by all accounts,
> > >>> one of the best RB prospects in the past few years and perhaps the #1
> > >>> athlete and collegiate back, do we kick ourselves in the future when
> > >>> he's racking up yards and pro bowl invitations (even assuming Brown
> > >>> has a full recovery from knee injury and good seasons ahead)?
> > >>> Should 'needs' always surpass selecting the top player in the draft?
> > >>> For example, Kansas City Chiefs president Carl Peterson said, after
> > >>> McFadden's combine, that he would consider him at the #5 pick while
> > >>> holding on to Larry Johnson. I'm just weary of the idea of this #1
> > >>> pick coming back to haunt us as it does for many a time in the past.
> > >>> In other news, I'm beginning to drink the Flacco juice. All reports
> > >>> have indicated that Flacco had an excellent performance at the
> > >>> combine, particularly showing off great arm strength and good
> > >>> accuracy. From what I've heard, he has the strongest arm in the QB
> > >>> class (not a Jamarcus, but just a notch below). Furthermore, his 40
> > >>> times in the past have been so-so, but he is doing quite well amongst
> > >>> QBs in the shorter drills like the 20 yard shuttle and cones drill,
> > >>> which tells me he can be shifty and has the short bursts necessary to
> > >>> evade the occasional sack. Some are now projecting Flacco as a
> > >>> possible late first round pick, though that may just be some temporary
> > >>> momentum from his performance.
> > >>> Though Romo ended up a 5th round pick I believe, I'm hoping Flacco
> > >>> falls in our laps somewhere in the 2nd round and becomes that next
> > >>> Division I-AA QB to 'make' it in the NFL. Worst comes to worst...well
> > >>> we can't be any worse at this point.
> > >> I am somewhat agnostic in who we take at #1 (assuming my dream of
> > >> trading down evaporates). I am more inclined to think our #1 pick is
> > >> influenced some by who we can get as FA. If we can get a top FA OT, I
> > >> don't want long. If we can get a good FA QB, I would be less inclined
> > >> toward a #1 QB pick. And on the positive news side (did I really say
> > >> 'positive?') we have enough holes we could almost pick any of the
> > >> projected top 10 picks and improve at the position.
>
> > > We have got to get a QB....John Beck is a long way, if ever, from
> > > being anything but a backup.
>
> > > TH
>
> > You're basing this on what? That he played poorly against 2 of the best
> > defenses in the league in bad weather? He had no OL, no really healthy
> > running backs, and no wide receiver to throw to. I don't think it's
> > fair to judge him a failure on what happened this season.
>
> I'm basing this on the fact that unless I was getting TV reception
> from an alternative universe there were PLENTY of plays were Beck DID
> have time, and he looked like Fiedler on a bad day. Great, and even
> GOOD QB's, show flashes of their expertise and potential even in their
> rookie year (need I cite examples?) even if they are green. Beck
> showed none of this, missing receivers constantly.
>
> Is there actually someone up here who thinks the Dolphins are set at
> QB?
>
> TH- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I don't think anybody can logically believe we are set at the QB
position. But it can be argued that there isn't a no-brainer first-
pick QB this year as there was in previous years with Jamarcus Russell
(who I don't even think is as good as hyped), Alex Smith, Eli
Manning. I'm not arguing these players are deserving of their #1 pick
today, but prior to the draft, they were relatively clear-cut top
prospects at the position and in the draft. This year's draft has a
whole host of players that are deemed better football players than
Matt Ryan and could be just as important in the rebuilding phase.
Basically, waiting on next year's draft or picking up a project in the
2nd round this year is reasonable to me.

Also, to add even more wrinkles into our 1st pick, the rumblings
coming out of the combine are that yesterday, Chris Long had an
excellent workout, excelling in skill drills and coming in top 3 for
bench press, long jump, and 20 yard shuttle. Vernon Gholston also put
in a great workout and is one of the fastest DEs in the pool. Chris,
of course, plays with Virginia who is coached by Groh, who has worked
for Parcells. Not too mention he has a ''great motor''...

Long and Taylor on one line would be a fairly devastating pass rush
combo.

Impressive combine showings. Darren McFadden ran an unofficial 4.27 in the 40 yard dash (later it was officially made a 4.33). To put this in perspective, Adrian Peterson ran a 4.4 last season, Marshawn Lynch the second runner taken, ran a 4.52. Reggie Bush ran a 4.33 at his pro da

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