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nerdmann



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:15 am    Post subject: Could Favre actually retire? Reply with quote

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Could Favre actually retire?

By Andy Erdman | February 22nd, 2008

Lately I've been grappling with a thought that quite frankly scares me: Will
Brett Favre call it quits?

Reports that surfaced shortly after the Packers' devastating loss in the NFC
Championship claimed that Favre's decision whether he would return for a
17th season with Green Bay would come sooner than it did following the 2006
season.

Well, that didn't happen. It's now been 33 days since the season ended, and
Packers fans are again left waiting . . . and wondering.

General manager Ted Thompson told reporters at the combine that he finally
talked to the Ironman for the first time since the season ended this week,
and guess what? Favre still hasn't decided.

"I wouldn't want to speculate on a time (for Favre to decide)," Thompson
said. "But it's Brett's call. He, more than probably anybody I've been
around, has earned the right to decide . . we've been in conversation with
him and he understands the needs of the team and doesn't want to put the
team in a bad spot, so he's working through that."

On the one hand, Favre's return seems like a no-brainer. He finished second
in MVP voting last year after breaking a slew of big-time QB records; he
seemed to form important chemistry with his young, potential-filled
offensive weapons; he now, in Ryan Grant, has a legitimate running back to
help carry the offensive workload and keep opposing defenses honest; his
physical ability undoubtedly ranks him as a top-ten NFL QB, even at 38 years
of age; and most importantly, coming off a season that had the Packers
painfully close to the Promised Land, Mike McCarthy's young squad looks
poised to contend for a serious Super Bowl run. And the reasons don't end
there.

But then, and this is the thought that scares me, is it really a no-brainer?
Consider this: Favre's season, yet again, ended with a heart-wrenching
defeat in which he certainly deserves a decent portion of the blame (see
every Packers playoff appearance this decade). Can he handle another one
emotionally and psychologically? Then there's the cold factor. When the
weather dipped below zero, as it will continue to do in Green Bay come
December and January, Favre, well, looked really old. His heart didn't seem
to be in the game, and youngsters such as Kyle Orton and Eli Manning showed
a much better ability to adjust to the elements.

And what about the expectations? After finishing 14-4, Packers fans not only
want a repeat performance, but they want better. I know I do. I want a Super
Bowl. What happens if the breaks don't go Green Bay's way, as they did
throughout much of the early part of '07? What if, instead of starting 4-0,
they start 0-4? No doubt, Packers fans, like the bandwagoners many are, will
be screaming long and loud for Aaron Rodgers because Favre is past his
prime, they'll say. Can Favre handle the possibility of such a scenario?

The optimist in me says that Favre will return. The team's got too much
promise, Favre is too competitive and he's just being overly cautious before
announcing his return. He's probably working out four hours a day to
surprise everybody, I like to tell myself.

But the more realistic and practical side of me has doubts. I wonder about
his body. I wonder what's the hold-up after saying an announcement would be
quick in coming. I wonder about his confidence after yet another
heart-breaking loss where he could've made the difference, but didn't. I
wonder if he wants to go through yet another long and grueling training camp
and preseason. At what point does that become more work than it's worth for
a guy who's accomplished everything?

I don't like to think that way, though. The thought of a Favre-less Packers
squad is hard to even conceptualize. After all, I was but 12 years old when
Don Majkowski went down with an ankle injury, paving the way for one of the
greatest NFL careers of all-time.

In past seasons - pretty much from 2002-2006 - when Favre exercised his I'm-not-sure-if-I'm-coming-back-or-not-until-well-after-the-season-ends
option, my gut told me that he would definitely return. And he did.

This offseason, however, my gut feeling is dubious. Even after such a
thrilling and magical '07 season, Favre's return doesn't at all seem certain
to me. I have a sick feeling that this may be the end of an era.

I can only hope that my feeling is misleading. But is it? Because if I had a
gun to my head, I'd say that Favre will return.

I suppose only time will tell. And that's definitely something Packers fans
have gotten used to.

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tide



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Could Favre actually retire? Reply with quote

"nerdmann" wrote in message @comcast.com...
> http://mvn.com/nfl-packers/2008/02/22/could-favre-actually-retire/
>
> When the weather dipped below zero, as it will continue to do in Green Bay
> come December and January, Favre, well, looked really old. His heart
> didn't seem to be in the game, and youngsters such as Kyle Orton and Eli
> Manning showed a much better ability to adjust to the elements.

Weird. It seems that there's someone else in the world who thinks Favre's
ass was kicked by the cold in the Giants game. That makes three: me, Nerd,
and this guy. Everybody else of the millions of observers of that game of
course would reject that theory outright for the baseless absurdity that it
is!
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mtfester



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:36 am    Post subject: Re: Could Favre actually retire? Reply with quote

tide wrote:
> "nerdmann" wrote in message
> @comcast.com...
> > http://mvn.com/nfl-packers/2008/02/22/could-favre-actually-retire/
> >
> > When the weather dipped below zero, as it will continue to do in Green Bay
> > come December and January, Favre, well, looked really old. His heart
> > didn't seem to be in the game, and youngsters such as Kyle Orton and Eli
> > Manning showed a much better ability to adjust to the elements.

> Weird. It seems that there's someone else in the world who thinks Favre's
> ass was kicked by the cold in the Giants game. That makes three: me, Nerd,
> and this guy.

The Three Stooges.

BTW, how'd Favre look in the Seattle game? In January?

Mike
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iarwain



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Could Favre actually retire? Reply with quote

> BTW, how'd Favre look in the Seattle game?

Not the same kind of conditions though. You can't compare 31 degrees
with -1. Totally different feel, 31 isn't really that cold. 31 with
snow can actually feel fairly warm if you're used to living in a cold
climate. Of course in the Seattle game Grant ran for 201 yards, that
had to help take some pressure off also.

Given the ages of the QBs involved, I would be very surprised if Favre
didn't feel the cold moreso than Manning. That doesn't mean that was
the difference in the game however. I think what happened was that
the Giants D just kicked our ass.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Could Favre actually retire? Reply with quote

> Given the ages of the QBs involved, I would be very surprised if Favre
> didn't feel the cold moreso than Manning. That doesn't mean that was
> the difference in the game however. I think what happened was that
> the Giants D just kicked our ass.


NERD: ruvell martin doesnt catch a pass that was in his hands. jarrett
bush tries to pick the ball up and run with it intead of FALLING ON THE
BALL. favre pusses out in the cold.
nerdmann
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Could Favre actually retire? Reply with quote

"nerdmann" wrote in message @comcast.com...
>> Given the ages of the QBs involved, I would be very surprised if Favre
>> didn't feel the cold moreso than Manning. That doesn't mean that was
>> the difference in the game however. I think what happened was that
>> the Giants D just kicked our ass.
>
>
> jarrett bush tries to pick the ball up and run with it intead of FALLING
> ON THE BALL.

Don't lose sleep over this one. If Bush falls on it, we still would have
had to move the ball on offense. That probably would not have happened and
we probably would still have lost.

On the other hand, if he fields the ball cleanly and runs with it (which
almost happened), we win the game.
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mtfester



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Could Favre actually retire? Reply with quote

iarwain wrote:
> > BTW, how'd Favre look in the Seattle game?

> Not the same kind of conditions though. You can't compare 31 degrees
> with -1.

Oh, you mean -1 with a vicious wind chill is much rarer?

How'd the Seattle offense do?

> Totally different feel, 31 isn't really that cold. 31 with
> snow can actually feel fairly warm if you're used to living in a cold
> climate. Of course in the Seattle game Grant ran for 201 yards, that
> had to help take some pressure off also.

> Given the ages of the QBs involved, I would be very surprised if Favre
> didn't feel the cold moreso than Manning. That doesn't mean that was

Well, that explains how Favre had a better completion %age, and about
the same QB rating (higher, until the last pick.)

> the difference in the game however. I think what happened was that
> the Giants D just kicked our ass.

Dunno why people are making more complicated than that.

Mike
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tide



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Could Favre actually retire? Reply with quote

"nerdmann" wrote in message @comcast.com...
>> Given the ages of the QBs involved, I would be very surprised if Favre
>> didn't feel the cold moreso than Manning. That doesn't mean that was
>> the difference in the game however. I think what happened was that
>> the Giants D just kicked our ass.
>
>
> NERD: ruvell martin doesnt catch a pass that was in his hands. jarrett
> bush tries to pick the ball up and run with it intead of FALLING ON THE
> BALL. favre pusses out in the cold.
> nerdmann

I definitely prefer how the season actually turned out, to the hypothetical
of the Packers losing to the Patriots in the SB.

I just think that hypothetical would have been very probable, had the
Packers beat the Giants.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Could Favre actually retire? Reply with quote

wrote in message $81c$1@news.Stanford.EDU...
> iarwain wrote:

>> the difference in the game however. I think what happened was that
>> the Giants D just kicked our ass.
>
> Dunno why people are making more complicated than that.

You mean, like you do every time you bring up your idiot 'what if' scenarios
for individual plays being the difference in the game?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Could Favre actually retire? Reply with quote

'tide' decided to chime in with:
>> jarrett bush tries to pick the ball up and run with it intead of
>> FALLING ON THE BALL.
>
> Don't lose sleep over this one. If Bush falls on it, we still would
> have had to move the ball on offense. That probably would not have
> happened and we probably would still have lost.
>
> On the other hand, if he fields the ball cleanly and runs with it
> (which almost happened), we win the game.

To quote Scott Langer, "Your ignorance is massive."
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tide



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Could Favre actually retire? Reply with quote

"PC" wrote in message @comcast.com...
> 'tide' decided to chime in with:
>>> jarrett bush tries to pick the ball up and run with it intead of
>>> FALLING ON THE BALL.
>>
>> Don't lose sleep over this one. If Bush falls on it, we still would
>> have had to move the ball on offense. That probably would not have
>> happened and we probably would still have lost.
>>
>> On the other hand, if he fields the ball cleanly and runs with it
>> (which almost happened), we win the game.
>
> To quote Scott Langer, "Your ignorance is massive."

I thought you saved this sort of incisive discussion for trolls from the
Patriots group. Are you hoping I'll engage you in a 100 post string of
vacuousness in some sort of pathological usenet ritual, now that that loser
from the Patriots group won't play with you anymore?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:38 am    Post subject: Re: Could Favre actually retire? Reply with quote

tide wrote:

> wrote in message
> $81c$1@news.Stanford.EDU...
> > iarwain wrote:

> >> the difference in the game however. I think what happened was that
> >> the Giants D just kicked our ass.
> >
> > Dunno why people are making more complicated than that.

> You mean, like you do every time you bring up your idiot 'what if' scenarios

Naw. Like everytime you bring up your idiot "The cold kicked Favre's
*ss" nonsense, and forget how the game was actually played, and that the
Packers scored more points on the Giants' defense than the record-
breaking Patsies.

Or your idiotic "If Bush picks up the ball and tries to score", though
he tried, and failed, to pick up the ball.

Mike
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:39 am    Post subject: Re: Could Favre actually retire? Reply with quote

tide wrote:

> "nerdmann" wrote in message
> @comcast.com...
> >> Given the ages of the QBs involved, I would be very surprised if Favre
> >> didn't feel the cold moreso than Manning. That doesn't mean that was
> >> the difference in the game however. I think what happened was that
> >> the Giants D just kicked our ass.
> >
> >
> > jarrett bush tries to pick the ball up and run with it intead of FALLING
> > ON THE BALL.

> Don't lose sleep over this one. If Bush falls on it, we still would have
> had to move the ball on offense. That probably would not have happened and
> we probably would still have lost.

> On the other hand, if he fields the ball cleanly and runs with it (which
> almost happened),

But didn't, and actually, he didn't come close.

Oh, wait, the cold must've kicked Bush's *ss.

Mike
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:40 am    Post subject: Re: Could Favre actually retire? Reply with quote

tide wrote:

> "nerdmann" wrote in message
> @comcast.com...
> >> Given the ages of the QBs involved, I would be very surprised if Favre
> >> didn't feel the cold moreso than Manning. That doesn't mean that was
> >> the difference in the game however. I think what happened was that
> >> the Giants D just kicked our ass.
> >
> >
> > NERD: ruvell martin doesnt catch a pass that was in his hands. jarrett
> > bush tries to pick the ball up and run with it intead of FALLING ON THE
> > BALL. favre pusses out in the cold.
> > nerdmann

> I definitely prefer how the season actually turned out, to the hypothetical
> of the Packers losing to the Patriots in the SB.

> I just think that hypothetical would have been very probable, had the
> Packers beat the Giants.

Right, because if we'd beaten a team proven better than the Patriots, we
likely would have lost to the Patriots.

Oh, well, there's a reason you're one of the 3 Stooges.

Mike
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:41 am    Post subject: Re: Could Favre actually retire? Reply with quote

tide wrote:

> "PC" wrote in message
> @comcast.com...
> > 'tide' decided to chime in with:
> >>> jarrett bush tries to pick the ball up and run with it intead of
> >>> FALLING ON THE BALL.
> >>
> >> Don't lose sleep over this one. If Bush falls on it, we still would
> >> have had to move the ball on offense. That probably would not have
> >> happened and we probably would still have lost.
> >>
> >> On the other hand, if he fields the ball cleanly and runs with it

Hey, isn't that a hypothetical?

> >> (which almost happened), we win the game.
> >
> > To quote Scott Langer, "Your ignorance is massive."

> I thought you saved this sort of incisive discussion for trolls from the
> Patriots group.

Trolls in general.

Tag, you're it.

Mike

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