Derek Anderson

Sean · Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

For those who want to sign him to an offer sheet ...see from ESPN

Derek Anderson, QB, Cleveland -- Anderson had nine games this past season
with a passer rating of less than 80 and topped that mark only once in the
final five games of the season. His 19 interceptions tied for fourth most in
the NFL. His 82.5 season-long passer rating was lower than the passer
ratings of Jay Cutler, Matt Schaub, Chad Pennington and Sage Rosenfels.
Leading the Browns to 10 wins was impressive, but the sum of Anderson's
accomplishments should not have equaled a trip to Honolulu.

There were some rumors about the Fins getting 2 #1 picks and Marion Barber
from Dallas for our #1 and then turning around and using one of the picks
from Dallas and a 3rd rounder as compensation to Cleveland for Anderson. In
this scenario you get Barber, Anderson and still have a #1 draft pick in
the 20s. Based on what ESPN is saying, I don't think he'd be much more than
a Jay Fiedler. I say forget about it.

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Bobby M · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 13

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:25:04 -0500, "Sean" wrote:

>
>For those who want to sign him to an offer sheet ...see from ESPN
>
>Derek Anderson, QB, Cleveland -- Anderson had nine games this past season
>with a passer rating of less than 80 and topped that mark only once in the
>final five games of the season. His 19 interceptions tied for fourth most in
>the NFL. His 82.5 season-long passer rating was lower than the passer
>ratings of Jay Cutler, Matt Schaub, Chad Pennington and Sage Rosenfels.
>Leading the Browns to 10 wins was impressive, but the sum of Anderson's
>accomplishments should not have equaled a trip to Honolulu.
>
>
>
>There were some rumors about the Fins getting 2 #1 picks and Marion Barber
>from Dallas for our #1 and then turning around and using one of the picks
>from Dallas and a 3rd rounder as compensation to Cleveland for Anderson. In
>this scenario you get Barber, Anderson and still have a #1 draft pick in
>the 20s. Based on what ESPN is saying, I don't think he'd be much more than
>a Jay Fiedler. I say forget about it.
>

Couldn't agree more. I don't understand this obsession in finding our
"QB of the future" right now anyway. We have tons of other needs to be
filled and perhaps it would be better to draft a QB once those other
needs are taken care of. There's nothing saying we have to find our
guy this year. I estimate it will be at least 2010 before we are
competitive again... and that's assuming everything goes right.

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BAH · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 24

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:25:04 -0500, "Sean" wrote:

>For those who want to sign him to an offer sheet ...see from ESPN
>
>Derek Anderson, QB, Cleveland -- Anderson had nine games this past season
>with a passer rating of less than 80 and topped that mark only once in the
>final five games of the season. His 19 interceptions tied for fourth most in
>the NFL. His 82.5 season-long passer rating was lower than the passer
>ratings of Jay Cutler, Matt Schaub, Chad Pennington and Sage Rosenfels.
>Leading the Browns to 10 wins was impressive, but the sum of Anderson's
>accomplishments should not have equaled a trip to Honolulu.

Can you say "Tommy Maddox"?

The NFL has lots of examples of QBs who seemed to be on the brink of
greatness one year, only to never repeat their success after DCs were
able to watch film of him the previous year.

Mirer, Maddox, Vince Young ... just a few of the many examples of guys
who seemed to catch lightning in a bottle, only to crash and burn. I
see Anderson joining that bunch.

BAH · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 24

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:47:02 +0000, Bobby M wrote:

>Couldn't agree more. I don't understand this obsession in finding our
>"QB of the future" right now anyway. We have tons of other needs to be
>filled and perhaps it would be better to draft a QB once those other
>needs are taken care of. There's nothing saying we have to find our
>guy this year. I estimate it will be at least 2010 before we are
>competitive again... and that's assuming everything goes right.

And the CBA works against us, to a certain degree. With guaranteed
rookie salaries, you can't take a chance on drafting a guy in the
first round if you're not sure about him. That's why we passed on
Quinn, Beck, etc., with the 9th pick last year.

euphemism · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 25

Sean wrote:
> For those who want to sign him to an offer sheet ...see from ESPN
>
> Derek Anderson, QB, Cleveland -- Anderson had nine games this past season
> with a passer rating of less than 80 and topped that mark only once in the
> final five games of the season. His 19 interceptions tied for fourth most in
> the NFL. His 82.5 season-long passer rating was lower than the passer
> ratings of Jay Cutler, Matt Schaub, Chad Pennington and Sage Rosenfels.
> Leading the Browns to 10 wins was impressive, but the sum of Anderson's
> accomplishments should not have equaled a trip to Honolulu.
>
>
>
> There were some rumors about the Fins getting 2 #1 picks and Marion Barber
> from Dallas for our #1 and then turning around and using one of the picks
> from Dallas and a 3rd rounder as compensation to Cleveland for Anderson. In
> this scenario you get Barber, Anderson and still have a #1 draft pick in
> the 20s. Based on what ESPN is saying, I don't think he'd be much more than
> a Jay Fiedler. I say forget about it.
>
>

He was the ONLY explanation for Cleveland being better than a 0.500
team. He is NOT someone you risk multiple draft picks on in a trade...
If Miami wants to spend that #1 pick on a QB, they can get a very good
one by picking Matt Ryan. Anderson will cost a lot more - if the
stories are correct.

Ü

Bobby M · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 13

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:14:28 -0500, BAH wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:47:02 +0000, Bobby M wrote:
>
>>Couldn't agree more. I don't understand this obsession in finding our
>>"QB of the future" right now anyway. We have tons of other needs to be
>>filled and perhaps it would be better to draft a QB once those other
>>needs are taken care of. There's nothing saying we have to find our
>>guy this year. I estimate it will be at least 2010 before we are
>>competitive again... and that's assuming everything goes right.
>
>And the CBA works against us, to a certain degree. With guaranteed
>rookie salaries, you can't take a chance on drafting a guy in the
>first round if you're not sure about him. That's why we passed on
>Quinn, Beck, etc., with the 9th pick last year.
>

Everybody's saying this Ryan kid is going to be a Top 5 pick even
though he's no "Franchise QB". So drafting him that high makes
absolutely no sense to me. On the other hand, I've been reading that
Brohm may fall into the 2nd round so choosing him at #32 does make
sense to me. In any case, I expect our QB situation this year to be
another free-for-all. Maybe the coaches will see something in Beck we
don't and spend next season trying to develop him. There's nothing to
lose in that.

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euphemism · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 25

Bobby M wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:14:28 -0500, BAH wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:47:02 +0000, Bobby M wrote:
>>
>>> Couldn't agree more. I don't understand this obsession in finding our
>>> "QB of the future" right now anyway. We have tons of other needs to be
>>> filled and perhaps it would be better to draft a QB once those other
>>> needs are taken care of. There's nothing saying we have to find our
>>> guy this year. I estimate it will be at least 2010 before we are
>>> competitive again... and that's assuming everything goes right.
>> And the CBA works against us, to a certain degree. With guaranteed
>> rookie salaries, you can't take a chance on drafting a guy in the
>> first round if you're not sure about him. That's why we passed on
>> Quinn, Beck, etc., with the 9th pick last year.
>>
>
> Everybody's saying this Ryan kid is going to be a Top 5 pick even
> though he's no "Franchise QB". So drafting him that high makes
> absolutely no sense to me. On the other hand, I've been reading that
> Brohm may fall into the 2nd round so choosing him at #32 does make
> sense to me. In any case, I expect our QB situation this year to be
> another free-for-all. Maybe the coaches will see something in Beck we
> don't and spend next season trying to develop him. There's nothing to
> lose in that.
>
> Bobby M
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How do any of these people know that he's Top 5 but NOT a franchise QB?
Seems a small distinction to me... Someone is trying to split hairs.

If you're Top 5, you OUGHT to be a franchise QB... I mean how is that a
distinction reserved solely for the #1 spot?

The people who are making these pronouncements are probably the same
"experts" that projected Brady in the 6th round and weren't surprised
when every team passed on Kurt Warner completely. I'll bet a few were
even touting Ryan Leaf above Peyton Manning, too!

I'm questioning if the Dolphins can bring themselves to use a $60M pick
on any position other than QB... because the money will be the same, no
matter the player-position they draft at that spot.

The only opinion I have on any of these players is someone else's.
There's no way I saw enough of any one of them to say that he's all this
or all that. The closest I came to that was watching the Illinois RB
Mendenhall - and he certainly looked like the real deal to me. I
imagine he'll go long after McFadden is off the board.

I'm pretty sure that Parcells is going to trade out of the top spot,
because he probably doesn't believe there's a $60M player in the entire
draft - at least not so you'd know him right now. But there's at least
an even chance that Bill gets stuck with the top pick and has to use it.
That's when I say he will be hard pressed to pass on Matt Ryan.

Ü

Deadmeat · Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Posts: 28

euphemism wrote:
> Bobby M wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:14:28 -0500, BAH wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:47:02 +0000, Bobby M wrote:
>>>
>>>> Couldn't agree more. I don't understand this obsession in finding our
>>>> "QB of the future" right now anyway. We have tons of other needs to be
>>>> filled and perhaps it would be better to draft a QB once those other
>>>> needs are taken care of. There's nothing saying we have to find our
>>>> guy this year. I estimate it will be at least 2010 before we are
>>>> competitive again... and that's assuming everything goes right.
>>> And the CBA works against us, to a certain degree. With guaranteed
>>> rookie salaries, you can't take a chance on drafting a guy in the
>>> first round if you're not sure about him. That's why we passed on
>>> Quinn, Beck, etc., with the 9th pick last year.
>>>
>>
>> Everybody's saying this Ryan kid is going to be a Top 5 pick even
>> though he's no "Franchise QB". So drafting him that high makes
>> absolutely no sense to me. On the other hand, I've been reading that
>> Brohm may fall into the 2nd round so choosing him at #32 does make
>> sense to me. In any case, I expect our QB situation this year to be
>> another free-for-all. Maybe the coaches will see something in Beck we
>> don't and spend next season trying to develop him. There's nothing to
>> lose in that.
>>
>> Bobby M
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>
>
> How do any of these people know that he's Top 5 but NOT a franchise QB?
> Seems a small distinction to me... Someone is trying to split hairs.
>
> If you're Top 5, you OUGHT to be a franchise QB... I mean how is that a
> distinction reserved solely for the #1 spot?
>
> The people who are making these pronouncements are probably the same
> "experts" that projected Brady in the 6th round and weren't surprised
> when every team passed on Kurt Warner completely. I'll bet a few were
> even touting Ryan Leaf above Peyton Manning, too!
>
> I'm questioning if the Dolphins can bring themselves to use a $60M pick
> on any position other than QB... because the money will be the same, no
> matter the player-position they draft at that spot.
>
> The only opinion I have on any of these players is someone else's.
> There's no way I saw enough of any one of them to say that he's all this
> or all that. The closest I came to that was watching the Illinois RB
> Mendenhall - and he certainly looked like the real deal to me. I
> imagine he'll go long after McFadden is off the board.
>
> I'm pretty sure that Parcells is going to trade out of the top spot,
> because he probably doesn't believe there's a $60M player in the entire
> draft - at least not so you'd know him right now. But there's at least
> an even chance that Bill gets stuck with the top pick and has to use it.
> That's when I say he will be hard pressed to pass on Matt Ryan.
>
> Ü

I think the chances are better than even that he has to stay at
number one. I don't think it's worth the risk of Ryan at that spot,
either. Just my opinion, but he looks like an Alex Smith pick to me. Not
as far as ability, but San Fran needed a QB desperately, and he happened
to be the best one that year, but he wasn't that good to be taken at a
the No.1 overall. I think Parcells goes with Chris Long.

euphemism · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 25

Deadmeat wrote:
> euphemism wrote:
>> Bobby M wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:14:28 -0500, BAH wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:47:02 +0000, Bobby M wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Couldn't agree more. I don't understand this obsession in finding our
>>>>> "QB of the future" right now anyway. We have tons of other needs to be
>>>>> filled and perhaps it would be better to draft a QB once those other
>>>>> needs are taken care of. There's nothing saying we have to find our
>>>>> guy this year. I estimate it will be at least 2010 before we are
>>>>> competitive again... and that's assuming everything goes right.
>>>> And the CBA works against us, to a certain degree. With guaranteed
>>>> rookie salaries, you can't take a chance on drafting a guy in the
>>>> first round if you're not sure about him. That's why we passed on
>>>> Quinn, Beck, etc., with the 9th pick last year.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Everybody's saying this Ryan kid is going to be a Top 5 pick even
>>> though he's no "Franchise QB". So drafting him that high makes
>>> absolutely no sense to me. On the other hand, I've been reading that
>>> Brohm may fall into the 2nd round so choosing him at #32 does make
>>> sense to me. In any case, I expect our QB situation this year to be
>>> another free-for-all. Maybe the coaches will see something in Beck we
>>> don't and spend next season trying to develop him. There's nothing to
>>> lose in that.
>>>
>>> Bobby M
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>>
>>
>> How do any of these people know that he's Top 5 but NOT a franchise
>> QB? Seems a small distinction to me... Someone is trying to split
>> hairs.
>>
>> If you're Top 5, you OUGHT to be a franchise QB... I mean how is that
>> a distinction reserved solely for the #1 spot?
>>
>> The people who are making these pronouncements are probably the same
>> "experts" that projected Brady in the 6th round and weren't surprised
>> when every team passed on Kurt Warner completely. I'll bet a few were
>> even touting Ryan Leaf above Peyton Manning, too!
>>
>> I'm questioning if the Dolphins can bring themselves to use a $60M
>> pick on any position other than QB... because the money will be the
>> same, no matter the player-position they draft at that spot.
>>
>> The only opinion I have on any of these players is someone else's.
>> There's no way I saw enough of any one of them to say that he's all
>> this or all that. The closest I came to that was watching the
>> Illinois RB Mendenhall - and he certainly looked like the real deal to
>> me. I imagine he'll go long after McFadden is off the board.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that Parcells is going to trade out of the top spot,
>> because he probably doesn't believe there's a $60M player in the
>> entire draft - at least not so you'd know him right now. But there's
>> at least an even chance that Bill gets stuck with the top pick and has
>> to use it. That's when I say he will be hard pressed to pass on Matt
>> Ryan.
>>
>> Ü
>
>
> I think the chances are better than even that he has to stay at
> number one. I don't think it's worth the risk of Ryan at that spot,
> either. Just my opinion, but he looks like an Alex Smith pick to me. Not
> as far as ability, but San Fran needed a QB desperately, and he happened
> to be the best one that year, but he wasn't that good to be taken at a
> the No.1 overall. I think Parcells goes with Chris Long.
>
>

I have no complaint with picking Chris Long. I have no complaint with
picking Jake Long.

Since 1960, I see 8 times that the #1 pick was used on a DE:

Year Player
2006 Mario Williams
2000 Courtney Brown
1985 Bruce Smith
1976 Lee Roy Selmon
1974 Ed 'Too Tall' Jones
1973 John Matuszak
1967 Bubba Smith

and TWO times that pick was used on an OT:

Year Player
1997 Orlando Pace
1968 Ron Yary

Quarterback, on the other hand, is the way the top pick got used 19 times.

Year Player
2007 JaMarcus Russell
2005 Alex Smith
2004 Eli Manning
2003 Carson Palmer
2002 David Carr
2001 Michael Vick
1999 Tim Couch
1998 Peyton Manning
1993 Drew Bledsoe
1990 Jeff George
1989 Troy Aikman
1987 Vinny Testaverde
1983 John Elway
1975 Steve Bartkowski
1971 Jim Plunkett
1970 Terry Bradshaw
1964 Jack Concannon
1963 Terry Baker
1962 Roman Gabriel

This isn't about what you think or what I think. It's about what GM's
and coaches DO when they use those top draft picks. I'm talking
tendencies here... not anyone's *guess* as to which player is the
better choice.

Ü

Bobby Galvez · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 25

euphemism wrote:

> Quarterback, on the other hand, is the way the top pick got used 19 times.
>
> Year Player
> 2007 JaMarcus Russell
> 2005 Alex Smith
> 2004 Eli Manning
> 2003 Carson Palmer
> 2002 David Carr
> 2001 Michael Vick
> 1999 Tim Couch
> 1998 Peyton Manning
> 1993 Drew Bledsoe
> 1990 Jeff George
> 1989 Troy Aikman
> 1987 Vinny Testaverde
> 1983 John Elway
> 1975 Steve Bartkowski
> 1971 Jim Plunkett
> 1970 Terry Bradshaw
> 1964 Jack Concannon
> 1963 Terry Baker
> 1962 Roman Gabriel
>
> This isn't about what you think or what I think. It's about what GM's
> and coaches DO when they use those top draft picks. I'm talking
> tendencies here... not anyone's *guess* as to which player is the
> better choice.

From that list of 19 QB's taken with the top pick, 6 won Super Bowls. 4 of them
more than once.

That's pretty good odds.

BobbyG

mitchellUF · Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 10

On Feb 18, 11:02 pm, Bobby Galvez wrote:
> euphemism wrote:
> > Quarterback, on the other hand, is the way the top pick got used 19 times.
>
> > Year Player
> > 2007 JaMarcus Russell
> > 2005 Alex Smith
> > 2004 Eli Manning
> > 2003 Carson Palmer
> > 2002 David Carr
> > 2001 Michael Vick
> > 1999 Tim Couch
> > 1998 Peyton Manning
> > 1993 Drew Bledsoe
> > 1990 Jeff George
> > 1989 Troy Aikman
> > 1987 Vinny Testaverde
> > 1983 John Elway
> > 1975 Steve Bartkowski
> > 1971 Jim Plunkett
> > 1970 Terry Bradshaw
> > 1964 Jack Concannon
> > 1963 Terry Baker
> > 1962 Roman Gabriel
>
> > This isn't about what you think or what I think. It's about what GM's
> > and coaches DO when they use those top draft picks. I'm talking
> > tendencies here... not anyone's *guess* as to which player is the
> > better choice.
>
> From that list of 19 QB's taken with the top pick, 6 won Super Bowls. 4 of them
> more than once.
>
> That's pretty good odds.
>
> BobbyG

GM's and coaches will use the #1 pick on a QB when there is a guy out
there deemed to be a potential "franchise" QB. Problem with this year
is that the QB field is not as highly touted by the scouts/analysts,
somewhat similar to two years ago. This is why a defensive end
(Long), a left tackle (Long), and a defensive tackle (Dorsey) have all
been projected as the #1 pick over a QB not to mention McFadden is
regarded by many as the best player on the board.

Considering that the quarterback position is traditionally known as
the most important position and the first position to address in the
draft for a weak team, it is curious to note that Ryan has still not
been projected as Miami's pick. Also, the draft combine is still
coming up, an important factor which helped launch Mario Williams into
the first spot in 2006 and pretty much sealed the deal for Jamarcus
last year. I say, if Parcells is not sold on Ryan, there is no reason
to believe he will not wait until another year when the draft is more
"QB rich", especially with a team that has more than enough trouble
spots to fill.

If Jake Long is rated high by Parcells and co., it would be just as
crucial to snatch your franchise left tackle. Many a GM knows this.
It'll make growing pains for a young QB a lot smoother (see David
Carr).

Besides, if all else fails, I believe Damon Huard becomes a free agent
in 2010. Wink

RUUUUDY · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 9

On Feb 18, 1:14 pm, BAH wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:47:02 +0000, Bobby M wrote:
> >Couldn't agree more. I don't understand this obsession in finding our
> >"QB of the future" right now anyway. We have tons of other needs to be
> >filled and perhaps it would be better to draft a QB once those other
> >needs are taken care of. There's nothing saying we have to find our
> >guy this year. I estimate it will be at least 2010 before we are
> >competitive again... and that's assuming everything goes right.
>
> And the CBA works against us, to a certain degree. With guaranteed
> rookie salaries, you can't take a chance on drafting a guy in the
> first round if you're not sure about him. That's why we passed on

> Quinn, Beck, etc., with the 9th pick last year.

...says who?

Fred Fredburger · Joined: 24 Dec 2007 Posts: 27

Bobby M wrote:

> Couldn't agree more. I don't understand this obsession in finding our
> "QB of the future" right now anyway. We have tons of other needs to be
> filled and perhaps it would be better to draft a QB once those other
> needs are taken care of. There's nothing saying we have to find our
> guy this year. I estimate it will be at least 2010 before we are
> competitive again... and that's assuming everything goes right.

If you care to stipulate 2010 as the date rebuilding is complete, I'll
play along.

So would you wait until the 2010 draft before you worry about the QB of
the future? Then you end up starting a rookie on your "competitive" team.

If not, you've got only this year and next. 2010 isn't that far away. My
bet is that next year we wont be in as good a position to get the QB
that they want most.

That doesn't necessarily mean Ryan. If they can trade down and get Brohm
or someone else they believe in, that works too.

Fred Fredburger · Joined: 24 Dec 2007 Posts: 27

euphemism wrote:

> I'm questioning if the Dolphins can bring themselves to use a $60M pick
> on any position other than QB... because the money will be the same, no
> matter the player-position they draft at that spot.

Yes indeed. That was my point in mentioning the mock draft that showed
us taking Ellis to fill the nose tackle spot with the first pick.

Fred Fredburger · Joined: 24 Dec 2007 Posts: 27

mitchellUF@gmail.com wrote:

> Considering that the quarterback position is traditionally known as
> the most important position and the first position to address in the
> draft for a weak team, it is curious to note that Ryan has still not
> been projected as Miami's pick.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/nflmockdraft.html

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