Dispelling rumors about Shockey

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IommiRULES · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 39

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The ONLY way Boss starts over Shockey is if Shockey still has complications
from the injury at the begining of next year, and if that is the case his
trade value is zero anyhow. The only "Rumor" i've heard is from pinhead fans
and national writers/TV guys trying to get a sound bite. I haven't seen any
of the guys in the local fish wraps say anything of the sort. I've read Paul
Schwartz calling it "Malarky", and Eli Manning and the TE coach vehemently
disagreeing with the stupid theory that the Giants are "Better off without"
Shockey but thats about it.

I know i've said case closed on this retarded discussion many times now but
here is another bucket of water to throw on this "rumor"
Fact:
Jeremy Shockey IS THE GIANTS MOST SUCCESSFUL FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK SINCE LT
IN 1981.
The only one who even comes remotely close is Rodney Hampton, and Rodney was
a great Giant but I don't recall him going to any Pro Bowls, Shockey has 4.
(Strahan was the Giants first player drafted in '93 but that was the second
round)
Thats 25 years.....a quarter CENTURY..... of drafts for the math challenged.
Anyone still want to trade him for a #1?
Ummmm I think you better let Boss get another Hundred or Two catches under
his belt before you even CONSIDER that.

KG · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 19

On Feb 14, 8:28 pm, "IommiRULES" wrote:

> Fact:
> Jeremy Shockey IS THE GIANTS MOST SUCCESSFUL FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK SINCE LT
> IN 1981.

Another fact is that the Giants played better w/out him. That fact is
undeniable.

Parker Race · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 3

"IommiRULES" wrote in message$R84.6368@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
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> "Bill A." wrote in message
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>> Bill A.
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>
>
> The ONLY way Boss starts over Shockey is if Shockey still has
> complications from the injury at the begining of next year, and if that is
> the case his trade value is zero anyhow.

Which is fine if he holds on to the ball, can stay healthy and act like a
team player which would be a departure from his past.

>The only "Rumor" i've heard is from pinhead fans and national writers/TV
>guys trying to get a sound bite. I haven't seen any of the guys in the
>local fish wraps say anything of the sort. I've read Paul Schwartz calling
>it "Malarky", and Eli Manning and the TE coach vehemently disagreeing with
>the stupid theory that the Giants are "Better off without" Shockey but
>thats about it.
>
And a former teammate who could tell it like it is and not have worry about
causing team dissension.

> I know i've said case closed on this retarded discussion many times now
> but here is another bucket of water to throw on this "rumor"
> Fact:
> Jeremy Shockey IS THE GIANTS MOST SUCCESSFUL FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK SINCE
> LT IN 1981.
> The only one who even comes remotely close is Rodney Hampton, and Rodney
> was a great Giant but I don't recall him going to any Pro Bowls, Shockey
> has 4.

New Flash, the Giants just won the SB with 1 current Pro Bowler on the
field.

> (Strahan was the Giants first player drafted in '93 but that was the
> second round)
> Thats 25 years.....a quarter CENTURY..... of drafts for the math
> challenged. Anyone still want to trade him for a #1?

I'm sure some one would give up a #1 if her recovers fully.
The Raiders come to mind.

> Ummmm I think you better let Boss get another Hundred or Two catches under
> his belt before you even CONSIDER that.

Well, that's your opinion and your're welcome to it. Others have their
opinions also. You don't have to like them or agree with them but neither
side has been proven right
at this point. How things play out over the next season(s) will determine
that.

The Ghost of John Mendenh · Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 1

On Feb 15, 6:53 am, "Parker Race" wrote:
> "IommiRULES" wrote in message
>
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>
>
>
> > "Bill A." wrote in message
> >@comcast.com...
> >>http://tinyurl.com/ywfrvh
>
> >> Bill A.
>
> > The ONLY way Boss starts over Shockey is if Shockey still has
> > complications from the injury at the begining of next year, and if that is
> > the case his trade value is zero anyhow.
>
> Which is fine if he holds on to the ball, can stay healthy and act like a
> team player which would be a departure from his past.
>
> >The only "Rumor" i've heard is from pinhead fans and national writers/TV
> >guys trying to get a sound bite. I haven't seen any of the guys in the
> >local fish wraps say anything of the sort. I've read Paul Schwartz calling
> >it "Malarky", and Eli Manning and the TE coach vehemently disagreeing with
> >the stupid theory that the Giants are "Better off without" Shockey but
> >thats about it.
>
> And a former teammate who could tell it like it is and not have worry about
> causing team dissension.
>
> > I know i've said case closed on this retarded discussion many times now
> > but here is another bucket of water to throw on this "rumor"
> > Fact:
> > Jeremy Shockey IS THE GIANTS MOST SUCCESSFUL FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK SINCE
> > LT IN 1981.
> > The only one who even comes remotely close is Rodney Hampton, and Rodney
> > was a great Giant but I don't recall him going to any Pro Bowls, Shockey
> > has 4.
>
> New Flash, the Giants just won the SB with 1 current Pro Bowler on the
> field.
>
> > (Strahan was the Giants first player drafted in '93 but that was the
> > second round)
> > Thats 25 years.....a quarter CENTURY..... of drafts for the math
> > challenged. Anyone still want to trade him for a #1?
>
> I'm sure some one would give up a #1 if her recovers fully.
> The Raiders come to mind.
>
> > Ummmm I think you better let Boss get another Hundred or Two catches under
> > his belt before you even CONSIDER that.
>
> Well, that's your opinion and your're welcome to it. Others have their
> opinions also. You don't have to like them or agree with them but neither
> side has been proven right
> at this point. How things play out over the next season(s) will determine
> that.

Shockey seems like a natural for the Raiders. That is not a good
thing.

IommiRULES · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 39

"KG" wrote in message @d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 14, 8:28 pm, "IommiRULES" wrote:

> Fact:
> Jeremy Shockey IS THE GIANTS MOST SUCCESSFUL FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK SINCE
> LT
> IN 1981.

>Another fact is that the Giants played better w/out him. That fact is
>undeniable.

The light came on for Eli 2 games after Shockey went down and in Eli's words
it was mostly from "taking what the Defense gives me" not from "Our Pro Bowl
TE being replaced by a Rookie". I think there might be something said for
Eli not trying to force feed Shockey at times since he isn't out there, but
that was Eli's problem if that is the case, not Shockeys.
I don't think we can attribute holding the Patriots to 14 points and holding
down Greenbay and Dallas' high octane air attack to the absence of Shockey.
In fact Shockey always seems to dominate vs. Dallas, which is now our main
competition in the NFC East.
Even when Shockey doesn't catch balls he is drawing doubles, if the Giants
were to go with Boss next year the opposing D's could put Slow Joe Schmo LB
on Boss and double Burress every play. You of all people should know that
being you watch Gates open the feild for the Chargers WR's every sunday.
If Shockey doesn't play the first 14 games it could be argued the Giants
don't even make the playoffs, he deserves the ring on his finger just as
much as Simms deserves his ring from 1990 when Hostetler took over. If
Shockey got hurt in game 1 and Boss went on to make 75 catches THEN you may
have an argument.
But until that happens lets not turn a rookie with 9 catches into Jason
Witten. Talk about Fantasy Football.

IommiRULES · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 39

"Parker Race" wrote in message $0$1112$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
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> "IommiRULES" wrote in message
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>> "Bill A." wrote in message
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>>> Bill A.
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>>
>>
>> The ONLY way Boss starts over Shockey is if Shockey still has
>> complications from the injury at the begining of next year, and if that
>> is
>> the case his trade value is zero anyhow.
>
> Which is fine if he holds on to the ball, can stay healthy and act like a
> team player which would be a departure from his past.
>
>>The only "Rumor" i've heard is from pinhead fans and national writers/TV
>>guys trying to get a sound bite. I haven't seen any of the guys in the
>>local fish wraps say anything of the sort. I've read Paul Schwartz calling
>>it "Malarky", and Eli Manning and the TE coach vehemently disagreeing with
>>the stupid theory that the Giants are "Better off without" Shockey but
>>thats about it.
>>
> And a former teammate who could tell it like it is and not have worry
> about
> causing team dissension.
>
>> I know i've said case closed on this retarded discussion many times now
>> but here is another bucket of water to throw on this "rumor"
>> Fact:
>> Jeremy Shockey IS THE GIANTS MOST SUCCESSFUL FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK SINCE
>> LT IN 1981.
>> The only one who even comes remotely close is Rodney Hampton, and Rodney
>> was a great Giant but I don't recall him going to any Pro Bowls, Shockey
>> has 4.
>
> New Flash, the Giants just won the SB with 1 current Pro Bowler on the
> field.
>
>> (Strahan was the Giants first player drafted in '93 but that was the
>> second round)
>> Thats 25 years.....a quarter CENTURY..... of drafts for the math
>> challenged. Anyone still want to trade him for a #1?
>
> I'm sure some one would give up a #1 if her recovers fully.
> The Raiders come to mind.
>
>> Ummmm I think you better let Boss get another Hundred or Two catches
>> under
>> his belt before you even CONSIDER that.
>
> Well, that's your opinion and your're welcome to it. Others have their
> opinions also. You don't have to like them or agree with them but neither
> side has been proven right
> at this point. How things play out over the next season(s) will determine
> that.
>

Yep, it is my opinion. But it is also the GM's opinion, the MVP QB's
opinion, the TE coaches opinion, The beat writer's opinion, Every sane
Giants fans opinion......

Parker Race · Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 7

On Feb 15, 11:59 am, The Ghost of John Mendenhall
wrote:
> On Feb 15, 6:53 am, "Parker Race" wrote:
>
>
>
> > "IommiRULES" wrote in message
>
> >$R84.6368@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>
> > > "Bill A." wrote in message
> > >@comcast.com...
> > >>http://tinyurl.com/ywfrvh
>
> > >> Bill A.
>
> > > The ONLY way Boss starts over Shockey is if Shockey still has
> > > complications from the injury at the begining of next year, and if that is
> > > the case his trade value is zero anyhow.
>
> > Which is fine if he holds on to the ball, can stay healthy and act like a
> > team player which would be a departure from his past.
>
> > >The only "Rumor" i've heard is from pinhead fans and national writers/TV
> > >guys trying to get a sound bite. I haven't seen any of the guys in the
> > >local fish wraps say anything of the sort. I've read Paul Schwartz calling
> > >it "Malarky", and Eli Manning and the TE coach vehemently disagreeing with
> > >the stupid theory that the Giants are "Better off without" Shockey but
> > >thats about it.
>
> > And a former teammate who could tell it like it is and not have worry about
> > causing team dissension.
>
> > > I know i've said case closed on this retarded discussion many times now
> > > but here is another bucket of water to throw on this "rumor"
> > > Fact:
> > > Jeremy Shockey IS THE GIANTS MOST SUCCESSFUL FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK SINCE
> > > LT IN 1981.
> > > The only one who even comes remotely close is Rodney Hampton, and Rodney
> > > was a great Giant but I don't recall him going to any Pro Bowls, Shockey
> > > has 4.
>
> > New Flash, the Giants just won the SB with 1 current Pro Bowler on the
> > field.
>
> > > (Strahan was the Giants first player drafted in '93 but that was the
> > > second round)
> > > Thats 25 years.....a quarter CENTURY..... of drafts for the math
> > > challenged. Anyone still want to trade him for a #1?
>
> > I'm sure some one would give up a #1 if her recovers fully.
> > The Raiders come to mind.
>
> > > Ummmm I think you better let Boss get another Hundred or Two catches under
> > > his belt before you even CONSIDER that.
>
> > Well, that's your opinion and your're welcome to it. Others have their
> > opinions also. You don't have to like them or agree with them but neither
> > side has been proven right
> > at this point. How things play out over the next season(s) will determine
> > that.
>
> Shockey seems like a natural for the Raiders. That is not a good
> thing.

Exactly.

Parker Race · Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 7

On Feb 15, 12:36 pm, "IommiRULES" wrote:
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> >> "Bill A." wrote in message
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>
> >>> Bill A.
>
> >> The ONLY way Boss starts over Shockey is if Shockey still has
> >> complications from the injury at the begining of next year, and if that
> >> is
> >> the case his trade value is zero anyhow.
>
> > Which is fine if he holds on to the ball, can stay healthy and act like a
> > team player which would be a departure from his past.
>
> >>The only "Rumor" i've heard is from pinhead fans and national writers/TV
> >>guys trying to get a sound bite. I haven't seen any of the guys in the
> >>local fish wraps say anything of the sort. I've read Paul Schwartz calling
> >>it "Malarky", and Eli Manning and the TE coach vehemently disagreeing with
> >>the stupid theory that the Giants are "Better off without" Shockey but
> >>thats about it.
>
> > And a former teammate who could tell it like it is and not have worry
> > about
> > causing team dissension.
>
> >> I know i've said case closed on this retarded discussion many times now
> >> but here is another bucket of water to throw on this "rumor"
> >> Fact:
> >> Jeremy Shockey IS THE GIANTS MOST SUCCESSFUL FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK SINCE
> >> LT IN 1981.
> >> The only one who even comes remotely close is Rodney Hampton, and Rodney
> >> was a great Giant but I don't recall him going to any Pro Bowls, Shockey
> >> has 4.
>
> > New Flash, the Giants just won the SB with 1 current Pro Bowler on the
> > field.
>
> >> (Strahan was the Giants first player drafted in '93 but that was the
> >> second round)
> >> Thats 25 years.....a quarter CENTURY..... of drafts for the math
> >> challenged. Anyone still want to trade him for a #1?
>
> > I'm sure some one would give up a #1 if her recovers fully.
> > The Raiders come to mind.
>
> >> Ummmm I think you better let Boss get another Hundred or Two catches
> >> under
> >> his belt before you even CONSIDER that.
>
> > Well, that's your opinion and your're welcome to it. Others have their
> > opinions also. You don't have to like them or agree with them but neither
> > side has been proven right
> > at this point. How things play out over the next season(s) will determine
> > that.
>
> Yep, it is my opinion. But it is also the GM's opinion, the MVP QB's
> opinion, the TE coaches opinion, The beat writer's opinion, Every sane
> Giants fans opinion......

Already answered, I don't think coaches or management would state it
publicly if they had their doubts about his future with or place on
the team.

If he's healthy he should start, as long as his play is superior to
the alternative. I certainly hope the success the team has had without
him has put him on notice in terms of his behavior and attitude.

Fred C. Dobbs · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 6

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 01:05:13 -0800 (PST), KG
wrote:

>On Feb 14, 8:28 pm, "IommiRULES" wrote:
>
>> Fact:
>> Jeremy Shockey IS THE GIANTS MOST SUCCESSFUL FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK SINCE LT
>> IN 1981.
>
>
>
>Another fact is that the Giants played better w/out him. That fact is
>undeniable.

Not a good argument at all.

Back in the early 90's, Dan Marino went out for a few games (maybe
even the seaon?) Scott Mitchell replaced him. They won a few games
and the dopey Dolphin fans were putting forth the same argument as
you.
I don't remember how long it took them to realize that they were being
ridiculous. . .

Fred

Kevin McClave · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 16

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:09:43 -0800 (PST), Parker Race
wrote:

>On Feb 15, 12:36 pm, "IommiRULES" wrote:
>> "Parker Race" wrote in message
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>> > "IommiRULES" wrote in message
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>> >> "Bill A." wrote in message
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>> >>>http://tinyurl.com/ywfrvh
>>
>> >>> Bill A.
>>
>> >> The ONLY way Boss starts over Shockey is if Shockey still has
>> >> complications from the injury at the begining of next year, and if that
>> >> is
>> >> the case his trade value is zero anyhow.
>>
>> > Which is fine if he holds on to the ball, can stay healthy and act like a
>> > team player which would be a departure from his past.
>>
>> >>The only "Rumor" i've heard is from pinhead fans and national writers/TV
>> >>guys trying to get a sound bite. I haven't seen any of the guys in the
>> >>local fish wraps say anything of the sort. I've read Paul Schwartz calling
>> >>it "Malarky", and Eli Manning and the TE coach vehemently disagreeing with
>> >>the stupid theory that the Giants are "Better off without" Shockey but
>> >>thats about it.
>>
>> > And a former teammate who could tell it like it is and not have worry
>> > about
>> > causing team dissension.
>>
>> >> I know i've said case closed on this retarded discussion many times now
>> >> but here is another bucket of water to throw on this "rumor"
>> >> Fact:
>> >> Jeremy Shockey IS THE GIANTS MOST SUCCESSFUL FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK SINCE
>> >> LT IN 1981.
>> >> The only one who even comes remotely close is Rodney Hampton, and Rodney
>> >> was a great Giant but I don't recall him going to any Pro Bowls, Shockey
>> >> has 4.
>>
>> > New Flash, the Giants just won the SB with 1 current Pro Bowler on the
>> > field.
>>
>> >> (Strahan was the Giants first player drafted in '93 but that was the
>> >> second round)
>> >> Thats 25 years.....a quarter CENTURY..... of drafts for the math
>> >> challenged. Anyone still want to trade him for a #1?
>>
>> > I'm sure some one would give up a #1 if her recovers fully.
>> > The Raiders come to mind.
>>
>> >> Ummmm I think you better let Boss get another Hundred or Two catches
>> >> under
>> >> his belt before you even CONSIDER that.
>>
>> > Well, that's your opinion and your're welcome to it. Others have their
>> > opinions also. You don't have to like them or agree with them but neither
>> > side has been proven right
>> > at this point. How things play out over the next season(s) will determine
>> > that.
>>
>> Yep, it is my opinion. But it is also the GM's opinion, the MVP QB's
>> opinion, the TE coaches opinion, The beat writer's opinion, Every sane
>> Giants fans opinion......
>
>Already answered, I don't think coaches or management would state it
>publicly if they had their doubts about his future with or place on
>the team.

Exactly. You don't have to be a brain surgeon to understand that.

>If he's healthy he should start, as long as his play is superior to
>the alternative. I certainly hope the success the team has had without
>him has put him on notice in terms of his behavior and attitude.

In his typical infantile fashion of denigrating any opinion with which
he disagrees, Iommi of course misses the point that it *is* entirely
possible (and not the sightest bit "retarded" or "stupid") that the
Giants could trade Shockey and be a better team with Boss and whatever
they get in return for Shock than they will be with both Shockey and
Boss and the absence of whatever a trade would bring.

Iommi keeps acting as though people are talking about releasing Shockey
outright, without any compensation. Maybe that would dawn on him if he
wasn't so quick to name call, because there's actually a legitimate
discussion to be had there.

******************************************************************
Kevin McClave

"To justify himself, each relies on
the other's crime." ~Albert Camus
******************************************************************

Hats N Bats · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 15

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:48:08 -0500, Kevin McClave
wrote:

>On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:09:43 -0800 (PST), Parker Race
> wrote:
>
>>On Feb 15, 12:36 pm, "IommiRULES" wrote:
>>> "Parker Race" wrote in message
>>>
>>> $0$1112$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > "IommiRULES" wrote in message
>>> >$R84.6368@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>>>
>>> >> "Bill A." wrote in message
>>> >>@comcast.com...
>>> >>>http://tinyurl.com/ywfrvh
>>>
>>> >>> Bill A.
>>>
>>> >> The ONLY way Boss starts over Shockey is if Shockey still has
>>> >> complications from the injury at the begining of next year, and if that
>>> >> is
>>> >> the case his trade value is zero anyhow.
>>>
>>> > Which is fine if he holds on to the ball, can stay healthy and act like a
>>> > team player which would be a departure from his past.
>>>
>>> >>The only "Rumor" i've heard is from pinhead fans and national writers/TV
>>> >>guys trying to get a sound bite. I haven't seen any of the guys in the
>>> >>local fish wraps say anything of the sort. I've read Paul Schwartz calling
>>> >>it "Malarky", and Eli Manning and the TE coach vehemently disagreeing with
>>> >>the stupid theory that the Giants are "Better off without" Shockey but
>>> >>thats about it.
>>>
>>> > And a former teammate who could tell it like it is and not have worry
>>> > about
>>> > causing team dissension.
>>>
>>> >> I know i've said case closed on this retarded discussion many times now
>>> >> but here is another bucket of water to throw on this "rumor"
>>> >> Fact:
>>> >> Jeremy Shockey IS THE GIANTS MOST SUCCESSFUL FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK SINCE
>>> >> LT IN 1981.
>>> >> The only one who even comes remotely close is Rodney Hampton, and Rodney
>>> >> was a great Giant but I don't recall him going to any Pro Bowls, Shockey
>>> >> has 4.
>>>
>>> > New Flash, the Giants just won the SB with 1 current Pro Bowler on the
>>> > field.
>>>
>>> >> (Strahan was the Giants first player drafted in '93 but that was the
>>> >> second round)
>>> >> Thats 25 years.....a quarter CENTURY..... of drafts for the math
>>> >> challenged. Anyone still want to trade him for a #1?
>>>
>>> > I'm sure some one would give up a #1 if her recovers fully.
>>> > The Raiders come to mind.
>>>
>>> >> Ummmm I think you better let Boss get another Hundred or Two catches
>>> >> under
>>> >> his belt before you even CONSIDER that.
>>>
>>> > Well, that's your opinion and your're welcome to it. Others have their
>>> > opinions also. You don't have to like them or agree with them but neither
>>> > side has been proven right
>>> > at this point. How things play out over the next season(s) will determine
>>> > that.
>>>
>>> Yep, it is my opinion. But it is also the GM's opinion, the MVP QB's
>>> opinion, the TE coaches opinion, The beat writer's opinion, Every sane
>>> Giants fans opinion......
>>
>>Already answered, I don't think coaches or management would state it
>>publicly if they had their doubts about his future with or place on
>>the team.
>
>Exactly. You don't have to be a brain surgeon to understand that.
>
>>If he's healthy he should start, as long as his play is superior to
>>the alternative. I certainly hope the success the team has had without
>>him has put him on notice in terms of his behavior and attitude.
>
>In his typical infantile fashion of denigrating any opinion with which
>he disagrees, Iommi of course misses the point that it *is* entirely
>possible (and not the sightest bit "retarded" or "stupid") that the
>Giants could trade Shockey and be a better team with Boss and whatever
>they get in return for Shock than they will be with both Shockey and
>Boss and the absence of whatever a trade would bring.
>
>Iommi keeps acting as though people are talking about releasing Shockey
>outright, without any compensation. Maybe that would dawn on him if he
>wasn't so quick to name call, because there's actually a legitimate
>discussion to be had there.
>

This is definitely the case. While Boss shows great potential, you
just don't give Shockey away, you get something for him. I'd trade him
tomorrow for a starting corner or safety, as long as the salary cap
stuff jived. Shockey's best value may very well be his marketability.

If they didn't move him, come next August, these two would definitely
be competing for the starting spot. I think Boss has earned that much
with his play and "smarts".

Hats N Bats

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Kevin McClave · Joined: 02 Feb 2008 Posts: 14

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:08:31 -0500, Hats N Bats wrote:

>On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:48:08 -0500, Kevin McClave
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:09:43 -0800 (PST), Parker Race
>> wrote:
>>
>>>If he's healthy he should start, as long as his play is superior to
>>>the alternative. I certainly hope the success the team has had without
>>>him has put him on notice in terms of his behavior and attitude.
>>
>>In his typical infantile fashion of denigrating any opinion with which
>>he disagrees, Iommi of course misses the point that it *is* entirely
>>possible (and not the sightest bit "retarded" or "stupid") that the
>>Giants could trade Shockey and be a better team with Boss and whatever
>>they get in return for Shock than they will be with both Shockey and
>>Boss and the absence of whatever a trade would bring.
>>
>>Iommi keeps acting as though people are talking about releasing Shockey
>>outright, without any compensation. Maybe that would dawn on him if he
>>wasn't so quick to name call, because there's actually a legitimate
>>discussion to be had there.
>
>This is definitely the case. While Boss shows great potential, you
>just don't give Shockey away, you get something for him. I'd trade him
>tomorrow for a starting corner or safety, as long as the salary cap
>stuff jived. Shockey's best value may very well be his marketability.
>
>If they didn't move him, come next August, these two would definitely
>be competing for the starting spot. I think Boss has earned that much
>with his play and "smarts".

I don't agree with that. If Shockey is still around and healthy, he'll
be the unquestioned starter...until he gets hurt again, anyway.

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Kevin McClave

"Courage, the footstool of the Virtues, upon
which they stand." ~Robert Louis Stevenson
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Tom Benton · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 40

IommiRULES wrote:
>
> "KG" wrote in message
> @d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 14, 8:28 pm, "IommiRULES" wrote:
>
>> Fact:
>> Jeremy Shockey IS THE GIANTS MOST SUCCESSFUL FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK
>> SINCE LT
>> IN 1981.
>
>
>
>
>> Another fact is that the Giants played better w/out him. That fact is
>> undeniable.
>
>
> The light came on for Eli 2 games after Shockey went down and in Eli's
> words it was mostly from "taking what the Defense gives me" not from
> "Our Pro Bowl TE being replaced by a Rookie". I think there might be
> something said for Eli not trying to force feed Shockey at times since
> he isn't out there, but that was Eli's problem if that is the case, not
> Shockeys.
> I don't think we can attribute holding the Patriots to 14 points and
> holding down Greenbay and Dallas' high octane air attack to the absence
> of Shockey.
> In fact Shockey always seems to dominate vs. Dallas, which is now our
> main competition in the NFC East.
> Even when Shockey doesn't catch balls he is drawing doubles, if the
> Giants were to go with Boss next year the opposing D's could put Slow
> Joe Schmo LB on Boss and double Burress every play. You of all people
> should know that being you watch Gates open the feild for the Chargers
> WR's every sunday.
> If Shockey doesn't play the first 14 games it could be argued the Giants
> don't even make the playoffs, he deserves the ring on his finger just as
> much as Simms deserves his ring from 1990 when Hostetler took over. If
> Shockey got hurt in game 1 and Boss went on to make 75 catches THEN you
> may have an argument.
> But until that happens lets not turn a rookie with 9 catches into Jason
> Witten. Talk about Fantasy Football.

Having said that, and I don't disagree, how serious was Shockster's
injury? Will he be back in any kind of shape to compete next year? Can
we expect another Suebert miracle?

Tom Benton · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 40

Kevin McClave wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:08:31 -0500, Hats N Bats wrote:
>
>
>>On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:48:08 -0500, Kevin McClave
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:09:43 -0800 (PST), Parker Race
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>If he's healthy he should start, as long as his play is superior to
>>>>the alternative. I certainly hope the success the team has had without
>>>>him has put him on notice in terms of his behavior and attitude.
>>>
>>>In his typical infantile fashion of denigrating any opinion with which
>>>he disagrees, Iommi of course misses the point that it *is* entirely
>>>possible (and not the sightest bit "retarded" or "stupid") that the
>>>Giants could trade Shockey and be a better team with Boss and whatever
>>>they get in return for Shock than they will be with both Shockey and
>>>Boss and the absence of whatever a trade would bring.
>>>
>>>Iommi keeps acting as though people are talking about releasing Shockey
>>>outright, without any compensation. Maybe that would dawn on him if he
>>>wasn't so quick to name call, because there's actually a legitimate
>>>discussion to be had there.
>>
>>This is definitely the case. While Boss shows great potential, you
>>just don't give Shockey away, you get something for him. I'd trade him
>>tomorrow for a starting corner or safety, as long as the salary cap
>>stuff jived. Shockey's best value may very well be his marketability.
>>
>>If they didn't move him, come next August, these two would definitely
>>be competing for the starting spot. I think Boss has earned that much
>>with his play and "smarts".
>
>
> I don't agree with that. If Shockey is still around and healthy, he'll
> be the unquestioned starter...until he gets hurt again, anyway.
>
> ********************************************************************
> Kevin McClave
>
> "Courage, the footstool of the Virtues, upon
> which they stand." ~Robert Louis Stevenson
> ********************************************************************

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