Drew Stanton

snapp44 · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 15

equals Charlie Batch.

Dave

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finsfan · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 15

"snapp44" wrote in message @drn.newsguy.com...
> equals Charlie Batch.
>
> Dave
>

Based on....?????

snapp44 · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 15

In article , finsfan says...
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>"snapp44" wrote in message
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>> equals Charlie Batch.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>
>Based on....?????
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Local college schmuck with a propensity to injury.

Dave

Thomas · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 24

snapp44 wrote:
> equals Charlie Batch.
>

Come on. Be fair.

Charlie Batch was a hell of a lot better than Drew Stanton ever will be.

I mean, Batch is headed into his ninth year in the league. I'd be
surprised if Stanton sees nine *games* in his career.

-Thomas

finsfan · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 15

"snapp44" wrote in message @drn.newsguy.com...
> In article , finsfan says...
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>>"snapp44" wrote in message
>>@drn.newsguy.com...
>>> equals Charlie Batch.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>
>>Based on....?????
>>
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> Local college schmuck with a propensity to injury.
>
> Dave

I like Stanton- big kid , semi-good decisions-really bad coach. Wow, for a
minute I could be talking about Michigan. Watched Stanton quite a few
games- he got quite alot of press early in the year. I think he is "I will
do it all" man. That's not ever panned out in College or NFL (ask Vick). I
was hoping Miami picked him up-Cam's O and all- but was more ecstatic to see
Detroit take him. Just make him learn HOW to end the play, eat the ball-
god, take the big sack- he will end the injuries. The kid can read the D,
he has a brain- his problem was thinking he could out run them all. I think
he'll learn alot from Martz. Matrz is the King of the Quick Release and
all, King of the Run. BTW, Charlie strung together enough wins last yr. to
get Pitts somewhere- when needed. PS an easy win on Miami, opening game ,
but we won't count that because it was easy to win over Miami last yr. for
most teams. Turkey Day aside and don't go there.

Model Citizen · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

"snapp44" wrote in message@drn.newsguy.com...
> equals Charlie Batch.
>
> Dave
>
Does not equal Charlie Batch. Stanton on IR and out for the season.

Grey Matters · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 8

"Model Citizen" wrote in @comcast.com:

> "snapp44" wrote in message
> @drn.newsguy.com...
>> equals Charlie Batch.
>>
>> Dave
>>
> Does not equal Charlie Batch. Stanton on IR and out for the season.

This is ugly. One of the top priorities for the Lions this year should
have been to start grooming Kitna's replacement, because Kitna's not going
to be starting for the Lions after next season, unless they've resigned
themselves to another round of rebuilding by then.

If by some miracle the Lions are playoff contenders by the end of next
year, all of the progress of the rest of the team will be lost as
what there are of Kitna's skills erode as he hits his late 30s.

Kowalski's claim that this is good for Stanton because "now the pressure
is off" is nuts.

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2007/08/stanton_on_ir_bad_for_him_goo
d.html

If the guy is going to be a QB in the NFL, he needs to be able to handle
pressure. There is simply no way that being inactive helps his
development.

I suppose if Stanton is a bum (I honestly don't know much about him) then
this is a good thing, because now they can bring in another QB to groom as
Kitna's replacement. But then that means that the Lions wasted a high
pick on him, which is also ugly.

finsfan · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 15

"Grey Matters" wrote in message @130.81.64.196...
> "Model Citizen" wrote in
> @comcast.com:
>
>> "snapp44" wrote in message
>> @drn.newsguy.com...
>>> equals Charlie Batch.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>> Does not equal Charlie Batch. Stanton on IR and out for the season.
>
> This is ugly. One of the top priorities for the Lions this year should
> have been to start grooming Kitna's replacement, because Kitna's not going
> to be starting for the Lions after next season, unless they've resigned
> themselves to another round of rebuilding by then.
>
> If by some miracle the Lions are playoff contenders by the end of next
> year, all of the progress of the rest of the team will be lost as
> what there are of Kitna's skills erode as he hits his late 30s.
>
> Kowalski's claim that this is good for Stanton because "now the pressure
> is off" is nuts.
>
> http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2007/08/stanton_on_ir_bad_for_him_goo
> d.html
>
> If the guy is going to be a QB in the NFL, he needs to be able to handle
> pressure. There is simply no way that being inactive helps his
> development.
>
> I suppose if Stanton is a bum (I honestly don't know much about him) then
> this is a good thing, because now they can bring in another QB to groom as
> Kitna's replacement. But then that means that the Lions wasted a high
> pick on him, which is also ugly.

I guess it all depends on whether you like a throw him in QB (Montana,
Marino, Aikman--please feel free to add- successful only) mantality or a let
him learn. If I heard correctly Martz's playbook is gigantic. I prefer the
let him learn a year, especially since the o-line is suspect. He took a big
enough beating at Mich St prefer him to learn the ropes first. BTW, I
think he has brain so will handle the pressure.

finsfan · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 15

"Grey Matters" wrote in message @130.81.64.196...
> "Model Citizen" wrote in
> @comcast.com:
>
>> "snapp44" wrote in message
>> @drn.newsguy.com...
>>> equals Charlie Batch.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>> Does not equal Charlie Batch. Stanton on IR and out for the season.
>
> This is ugly. One of the top priorities for the Lions this year should
> have been to start grooming Kitna's replacement, because Kitna's not going
> to be starting for the Lions after next season, unless they've resigned
> themselves to another round of rebuilding by then.
>
> If by some miracle the Lions are playoff contenders by the end of next
> year, all of the progress of the rest of the team will be lost as
> what there are of Kitna's skills erode as he hits his late 30s.
>
> Kowalski's claim that this is good for Stanton because "now the pressure
> is off" is nuts.
>
> http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2007/08/stanton_on_ir_bad_for_him_goo
> d.html
>
> If the guy is going to be a QB in the NFL, he needs to be able to handle
> pressure. There is simply no way that being inactive helps his
> development.
>
> I suppose if Stanton is a bum (I honestly don't know much about him) then
> this is a good thing, because now they can bring in another QB to groom as
> Kitna's replacement. But then that means that the Lions wasted a high
> pick on him, which is also ugly.

Whoops, sorry- all a moot point I made. Had no idea he was placed on IR.
On vacation this week although I was at the open practice today at Ford
Field. He looked good in his khaki's throwing the ball around. It's not
like he won't be present at all meetings etc, etc, But this does throw the
team a loop.

Thomas · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 24

Grey Matters wrote:
> "Model Citizen" wrote in
> @comcast.com:
>
>> "snapp44" wrote in message
>> @drn.newsguy.com...
>>> equals Charlie Batch.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>> Does not equal Charlie Batch. Stanton on IR and out for the season.
>
> This is ugly. One of the top priorities for the Lions this year should
> have been to start grooming Kitna's replacement, because Kitna's not going
> to be starting for the Lions after next season, unless they've resigned
> themselves to another round of rebuilding by then.
>
> If by some miracle the Lions are playoff contenders by the end of next
> year, all of the progress of the rest of the team will be lost as
> what there are of Kitna's skills erode as he hits his late 30s.
>
> Kowalski's claim that this is good for Stanton because "now the pressure
> is off" is nuts.
>
> http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2007/08/stanton_on_ir_bad_for_him_goo
> d.html
>
> If the guy is going to be a QB in the NFL, he needs to be able to handle
> pressure. There is simply no way that being inactive helps his
> development.
>
> I suppose if Stanton is a bum (I honestly don't know much about him) then
> this is a good thing, because now they can bring in another QB to groom as
> Kitna's replacement. But then that means that the Lions wasted a high
> pick on him, which is also ugly.

Let's be honest here...the Lions wasted a pick on him even if he were
healthy. He's a loser.

Now, it will be interesting to see who they can get to groom. Hopefully,
it will be either Bruce Gradkowski or Omar Jacobs. I expect it will be
some loser, but I'd love for it to be someone with potential like those two.

Maybe Aaron Rodgers? Charlie Whitehurst? Kyle Orton from Chicago?

-Thomas

Grey Matters · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 8

"finsfan" wrote in$gn1.2917@read1.cgocable.net:

>
> "Grey Matters" wrote in message
> @130.81.64.196...
>> "Model Citizen" wrote in
>> @comcast.com:
>>
>>> "snapp44" wrote in message
>>> @drn.newsguy.com...
>>>> equals Charlie Batch.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>> Does not equal Charlie Batch. Stanton on IR and out for the season.
>>
>> This is ugly. One of the top priorities for the Lions this year
>> should have been to start grooming Kitna's replacement, because
>> Kitna's not going to be starting for the Lions after next season,
>> unless they've resigned themselves to another round of rebuilding by
>> then.
>>
>> If by some miracle the Lions are playoff contenders by the end of
>> next year, all of the progress of the rest of the team will be lost
>> as what there are of Kitna's skills erode as he hits his late 30s.
>>
>> Kowalski's claim that this is good for Stanton because "now the
>> pressure is off" is nuts.
>>
>> http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2007/08/stanton_on_ir_bad_for_him
>> _goo d.html
>>
>> If the guy is going to be a QB in the NFL, he needs to be able to
>> handle pressure. There is simply no way that being inactive helps
>> his development.
>>
>> I suppose if Stanton is a bum (I honestly don't know much about him)
>> then this is a good thing, because now they can bring in another QB
>> to groom as Kitna's replacement. But then that means that the Lions
>> wasted a high pick on him, which is also ugly.
>
> I guess it all depends on whether you like a throw him in QB (Montana,
> Marino, Aikman--please feel free to add- successful only) mantality or
> a let him learn. If I heard correctly Martz's playbook is gigantic. I
> prefer the let him learn a year, especially since the o-line is
> suspect. He took a big enough beating at Mich St prefer him to learn
> the ropes first. BTW, I think he has brain so will handle the
> pressure.

The thing is that I'd still like to see him in a position to get some
experience, even limited. Whether that's in late game mop up sessions or
end of the season see what he can do time, I think there's a value to
getting him used to full speed NFL play.

I hate the NFL's obsession with one QB all the time, and I think a smart
coach at some point will look to every other position and every other
sport and realize there is nothing sacred or unique about the QB spot --
there is a time and a place for subs. Best case it would give Stanton an
opportunity to speed his development, worst case it would help speed up
the process for eliminating him as an option for replacing Kitna.

At any rate, having Stanton on the IR will slow down the process of
finding a replacement for Kitna, at least marginally.

Grey Matters · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 8

Thomas wrote in $r1v$1@news04.infoave.net:

> Now, it will be interesting to see who they can get to groom.
> Hopefully, it will be either Bruce Gradkowski or Omar Jacobs. I expect
> it will be some loser, but I'd love for it to be someone with
> potential like those two.
>
> Maybe Aaron Rodgers? Charlie Whitehurst? Kyle Orton from Chicago?

I'd love to say "all of the above" but I know that's not realistic. At
any rate, unless that QB besides Orlowski has real potential (I don't know
anything about him) I'd like to see them dump that guy, maybe Orlowski,
too, I don't really know much about him, and bring on two new guys, maybe
even carry a 4th QB and try as hard as possible to figure out who is going
to take Kitna's place. Even if that means dropping a game or two this
season in the process, they're better off it means they're closer to
finding their starter when Kitna fades in a year or two. The Lions need
to start thinking strategically for once.

finsfan · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 15

"Grey Matters" wrote in message @130.81.64.196...
> "finsfan" wrote in
> $gn1.2917@read1.cgocable.net:
>
>>
>> "Grey Matters" wrote in message
>> @130.81.64.196...
>>> "Model Citizen" wrote in
>>> @comcast.com:
>>>
>>>> "snapp44" wrote in message
>>>> @drn.newsguy.com...
>>>>> equals Charlie Batch.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>> Does not equal Charlie Batch. Stanton on IR and out for the season.
>>>
>>> This is ugly. One of the top priorities for the Lions this year
>>> should have been to start grooming Kitna's replacement, because
>>> Kitna's not going to be starting for the Lions after next season,
>>> unless they've resigned themselves to another round of rebuilding by
>>> then.
>>>
>>> If by some miracle the Lions are playoff contenders by the end of
>>> next year, all of the progress of the rest of the team will be lost
>>> as what there are of Kitna's skills erode as he hits his late 30s.
>>>
>>> Kowalski's claim that this is good for Stanton because "now the
>>> pressure is off" is nuts.
>>>
>>> http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2007/08/stanton_on_ir_bad_for_him
>>> _goo d.html
>>>
>>> If the guy is going to be a QB in the NFL, he needs to be able to
>>> handle pressure. There is simply no way that being inactive helps
>>> his development.
>>>
>>> I suppose if Stanton is a bum (I honestly don't know much about him)
>>> then this is a good thing, because now they can bring in another QB
>>> to groom as Kitna's replacement. But then that means that the Lions
>>> wasted a high pick on him, which is also ugly.
>>
>> I guess it all depends on whether you like a throw him in QB (Montana,
>> Marino, Aikman--please feel free to add- successful only) mantality or
>> a let him learn. If I heard correctly Martz's playbook is gigantic. I
>> prefer the let him learn a year, especially since the o-line is
>> suspect. He took a big enough beating at Mich St prefer him to learn
>> the ropes first. BTW, I think he has brain so will handle the
>> pressure.
>
> The thing is that I'd still like to see him in a position to get some
> experience, even limited. Whether that's in late game mop up sessions or
> end of the season see what he can do time, I think there's a value to
> getting him used to full speed NFL play.
>
> I hate the NFL's obsession with one QB all the time, and I think a smart
> coach at some point will look to every other position and every other
> sport and realize there is nothing sacred or unique about the QB spot --
> there is a time and a place for subs. Best case it would give Stanton an
> opportunity to speed his development, worst case it would help speed up
> the process for eliminating him as an option for replacing Kitna.
>
> At any rate, having Stanton on the IR will slow down the process of
> finding a replacement for Kitna, at least marginally.

Trying not to be smart here, but Detroit has not been in a mop up situ for
yrs during the season. (snort) The only problem I have with Stanton being
on IR is exactly that- he cannot play period. He can attend meetings and
practices etc, but no real time on the field- not that I thought he would
get any. I didn't expect to see him in a game 'til 2008-2009 season.
I'm not sure about your comment about the one QB. Obviously a team
practices and changes the playbook week to week on who they play- is timing
and co-hesiveness not a part of that? How can one QB take only 20% of the
snaps expect to come in and master the timing and mechanics, unless it is a
mop up as you stated or injury problem. I prefer the one QB system. You
win, manage the clock, etc you should be rewarded with the #1 spot,
deservedly.

finsfan · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 15

"Grey Matters" wrote in message @130.81.64.196...
> Thomas wrote in $r1v$1@news04.infoave.net:
>
>> Now, it will be interesting to see who they can get to groom.
>> Hopefully, it will be either Bruce Gradkowski or Omar Jacobs. I expect
>> it will be some loser, but I'd love for it to be someone with
>> potential like those two.
>>
>> Maybe Aaron Rodgers? Charlie Whitehurst? Kyle Orton from Chicago?
>
> I'd love to say "all of the above" but I know that's not realistic. At
> any rate, unless that QB besides Orlowski has real potential (I don't know
> anything about him) I'd like to see them dump that guy, maybe Orlowski,
> too, I don't really know much about him, and bring on two new guys, maybe
> even carry a 4th QB and try as hard as possible to figure out who is going
> to take Kitna's place. Even if that means dropping a game or two this
> season in the process, they're better off it means they're closer to
> finding their starter when Kitna fades in a year or two. The Lions need
> to start thinking strategically for once.

Jeez, hate to scare you but Orlovski had unbelievable timing and presence at
the open practice yesterday at Ford Field. Kitna was on one series and did
very well. And O'Sullivan had quite a cheering section-LOUD, lots of
people- but seemed completely out of sync with any of the o's brought on
with him. Had quite a zip on the ball though.

Thomas · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 24

Grey Matters wrote:
> Thomas wrote in $r1v$1@news04.infoave.net:
>
>> Now, it will be interesting to see who they can get to groom.
>> Hopefully, it will be either Bruce Gradkowski or Omar Jacobs. I expect
>> it will be some loser, but I'd love for it to be someone with
>> potential like those two.
>>
>> Maybe Aaron Rodgers? Charlie Whitehurst? Kyle Orton from Chicago?
>
> I'd love to say "all of the above" but I know that's not realistic. At
> any rate, unless that QB besides Orlowski has real potential (I don't know
> anything about him)

Orlovsky is worse than Stanton.

Probably about equal today, with Stanton being injured and all.

> I'd like to see them dump that guy, maybe Orlowski,
> too, I don't really know much about him, and bring on two new guys, maybe
> even carry a 4th QB and try as hard as possible to figure out who is going
> to take Kitna's place. Even if that means dropping a game or two this
> season in the process, they're better off it means they're closer to
> finding their starter when Kitna fades in a year or two. The Lions need
> to start thinking strategically for once.

Right. I am with you, too. I mean, I don't see them winning any titles.
If there's something they can do this year to make the team better for
next year and the future, they should do it.

-Thomas

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