Falcons TE Crumpler released

Bobby M · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 13

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3247718

This is one guy I wouldn't mind seeing us go after in FA. He blocks,
he catches, he does it all. A young QB (whether it be Beck or someone
in this year's draft) needs a good TE to throw to... sort of like a
comfortable safety net.

Bobby M
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Bobby Galvez · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 25

tgowan wrote:
I'm still wondering what it is that people think
they've learned from
tossing Beck to the wolves last year. Haven't heard much on that
front, but it bears repeating that it's never a good idea to play a
rookie who's not ready, unless you're looking for a miracle that might
save your job and don't give a rat's ass about the professional
development of said rookie QB.

Pretty much the same thing was learned by tossing Beck to the wolves
as was learned by tossing Green and Lemon in there:
That the entire offense stunk out loud, especially after Brown went
down.
It's hard to believe that Beck got damaged from the exposure during
his four starts. Troy Aikman got thrown to the wolves in his first year,
getting sacked 39 times in 16 starts. He came out of it OK.
That said, it's hard to think that John Beck might be a Troy Aikman.
BobbyG

euphemism · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 25

tgowan wrote:
> On Feb 17, 11:41 am, Fred Fredburger
> wrote:
>> Bobby M wrote:

>
> I'm still wondering what it is that people think they've learned from
> tossing Beck to the wolves last year. Haven't heard much on that
> front, but it bears repeating that it's never a good idea to play a
> rookie who's not ready, unless you're looking for a miracle that might
> save your job and don't give a rat's ass about the professional
> development of said rookie QB.
>
>
>

I don't think Beck was tossed to the wolves. He wasn't badly pounded,
he showed composure in the face of adversity and also showed that he
wasn't anything like a sure thing or ready for prime time. That was
certainly the point of getting him in there... He saw the game at full
speed and the coaches saw a guy who may not be the guy they'd hoped he
would be.

Now we have all new coaches, but they still have that game film of Beck
to use to evaluate this guy's play. I think that's a very good thing,
assuming there was any risk that they'd believe Beck was the up and
coming starter.

>> As an alternative to poking ourselves in the eye with a stick for no
>> good reason, might I suggest ... Byron Leftwich?
>
>
>
> Have you heard anything about Byron's injury status? I thought he got
> hurt again last year. For folks really into self-abuse, why not
> Daunte Culpepper?
>
>

The only evidence we have right now supports the idea that Trent Green
may be given a chance to return if the cost is low and his medical
clearance is solid.

Me, I don't much care for this whole exercise of trying to find a
suitable veteran to run a team. It seems like it doesn't work too well,
most of the time. If the team is a POS, it doesn't much matter if
you're playing a veteran or a rookie. Either way, the guy is dead.

Ü

euphemism · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 25

Bobby Galvez wrote:
>
>
> tgowan wrote:
>
>> I'm still wondering what it is that people think they've learned from
>> tossing Beck to the wolves last year. Haven't heard much on that
>> front, but it bears repeating that it's never a good idea to play a
>> rookie who's not ready, unless you're looking for a miracle that might
>> save your job and don't give a rat's ass about the professional
>> development of said rookie QB.
>
>
>
> Pretty much the same thing was learned by tossing Beck to the wolves as
> was learned by tossing Green and Lemon in there:
>
> That the entire offense stunk out loud, especially after Brown went down.
>
> It's hard to believe that Beck got damaged from the exposure during his
> four starts. Troy Aikman got thrown to the wolves in his first year,
> getting sacked 39 times in 16 starts. He came out of it OK.
>
> That said, it's hard to think that John Beck might be a Troy Aikman.
>
> BobbyG
>
>
>

I guess the best argument is that the better QB will survive and
eventually emerge as the guy you hoped he was. This year's case in
point was Eli Manning. I recall chatter in the early going that had him
being gone from NY as early as 2008.

If he were given the sort of protection and receivers as someone like
Brady enjoys, I'll bet Beck could look pretty good.

Ü

Fred Fredburger · Joined: 24 Dec 2007 Posts: 27

euphemism wrote:

> Me, I don't much care for this whole exercise of trying to find a
> suitable veteran to run a team. It seems like it doesn't work too well,
> most of the time. If the team is a POS, it doesn't much matter if
> you're playing a veteran or a rookie. Either way, the guy is dead.

Sometimes it helps.

Jon Kitna in Cincy, Kurt Warner in NY and then again in ARI.

Sometimes it might be good to sacrifice a player you have no long term
interest in. It is claimed that Rick Mirer was never as successful as he
had been in his first season because of the bad habits that he acquired
then. The claim correlates well with his stats.

Looneyt0on · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 10

On Feb 17, 2:01ï¿½pm, Bobby M wrote:

> I advocated signing Byron last year, when the Jags first released him.
> I think Trent had already been put on IR so there was an opening for
> him. People in here thought I was crazy.

Leftwich isn't a good option IMO. He takes 3 weeks to release the
ball and wouldn't last 6 weeks with the current OL, He's injury prone
because of it. If he couldn't secure the starting job on the Falcons
and keep Joey Harrington out of a job, then why would he be good even
to keep the spot warm for the next "franchise" QB?

Razor · Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 6

> We see guys like Marino and Brady step in and immediately soar where
> other decent QB's had struggled - I am convinced that QB's are born with
> that special wiring. Clearly it's not something that gets measured with
> tape, stopwatches or the infamous Wonderlic.
>

I'm not sure you can use either Marino or Brady as case studies for rookie
QBs. As rookies, both benefited from playing on Super Bowl teams that were
significantly better than many QB "flops" play on.

Fred Fredburger · Joined: 24 Dec 2007 Posts: 27

euphemism wrote:

> think may be available. Leftwich? Not even as good as a healthy Daunte
> Culpepper. Apparently he's still under contract in Atlanta, along with
> Harrington and Redman.

Nah, released along with Crumpler:
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080216/SPORTS18/802160359/1048/SPORTS

>
>
> Here's the most up to date list that I know of for FA QB's.
>
> Derek Anderson, RFA, Cleveland Browns
> Rex Grossman, UFA, Chicago Bears
> Daunte Culpepper, UFA, Oakland Raiders
> Josh McCown, UFA, Oakland Raiders
> Quinn Gray, UFA, Jacksonville Jaguars
> Ken Dorsey UFA Cleveland Browns
> Ryan Fitzpatrick RFA Cincinnati Bengals
> Drew Henson UFA Minnesota Vikings
> Cleo Lemon UFA Miami Dolphins
> Jared Lorenzen UFA New York Giants
> Jamie Martin UFA New Orleans Saints
>
> Anderson is the only one on the list that has even threatened to impress
> and he's going to be way expensive. I think Cleo is actually the best
> of the rest... Overall, not a list that inspires much optimism.

Yes, I strongly agree. That's pretty much my point in mentioning
Leftwich in the first place.

Spiff · Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 14

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:49:54 +0000, Bobby M wrote:

>
>http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3247718
>
>This is one guy I wouldn't mind seeing us go after in FA. He blocks,
>he catches, he does it all. A young QB (whether it be Beck or someone
>in this year's draft) needs a good TE to throw to... sort of like a
>comfortable safety net.
>
>Bobby M
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Hmm.. That crossed my mind for a minute.
D Martin 28 yrs old 6'4 265lbs
A Crumpler 30 yrs old 6'2 264lbs

The stats totally favor Crumpler, but I think it would all come down
to how much Crumpler is demanding.

Crumpler finished with 42-444-5td
Martin 34-303-2td

Wish i could find the stats on 'dropped passes'..

Spiff

Spiff · Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 14

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:32:59 -0800, Fred Fredburger
wrote:

>> I learned we either had a GM who drafted a rookie who could not get
>> ready to play in a half season, or a coaching staff who could not get
>> him ready, or that we had a rookie who was incapable of starting at any
>> time.
>>
>> Which was the real problem, I did not learn.
>>
>> Other teams managed to start other rookies just fine....
>
>Trent Edwards? Jamarcus Russell?

And how many started behind a new O line? With a rookie center?

Spiff
ps-Russell started exactly how many games??? 2 maybe if IIRC.

BAH · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 24

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:41:51 -0800, Fred Fredburger
wrote:

>As an alternative to poking ourselves in the eye with a stick for no
>good reason, might I suggest ... Byron Leftwich?

Leftwich? He makes Marino look like Fran Tarkenton! Unless you have
the best OL in the entire league, you have no need looking to
Leftwich.

BAH · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 24

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:08:27 +0000, Bobby M wrote:

>I think we've learned that Beck is a long, long-term project. Kinda
>like Aaron Rodgers. I've been reading that the Packers' brain trust
>now feels he's ready to start, in his 4th year. I don't believe any
>irreversible damage was done to Beck by letting him play a little last
>year.

Guys, don't forget that Beck wasn't 22 when he came out of college -
he was 26! We don't have 4 years to develop him for what ... 2-3
years?

One of his perceived assets was his maturity, shortening the time it
would take him to become a starter.

Unfortunately, I think the NFL game is way too fast for him.

BAH · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 24

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:22:23 -0500, Lloyd Heilbrunn
wrote:

>I learned we either had a GM who drafted a rookie who could not get
>ready to play in a half season, or a coaching staff who could not get
>him ready, or that we had a rookie who was incapable of starting at any
>time.
>
>Which was the real problem, I did not learn.

I think the answer is yes, yes, and yes.

BAH · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 24

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:08:27 GMT, Spiff
wrote:

>Wish i could find the stats on 'dropped passes'..

You start with # of balls thrown to Booker, subtract the number
completed, then divide the remainder by 2. That's how many he
dropped.

Fred Fredburger · Joined: 24 Dec 2007 Posts: 27

Looneyt0on wrote:
> On Feb 17, 2:01ï¿½pm, Bobby M wrote:
>
>> I advocated signing Byron last year, when the Jags first released him.
>> I think Trent had already been put on IR so there was an opening for
>> him. People in here thought I was crazy.
>
> Leftwich isn't a good option IMO. He takes 3 weeks to release the
> ball and wouldn't last 6 weeks with the current OL, He's injury prone
> because of it. If he couldn't secure the starting job on the Falcons
> and keep Joey Harrington out of a job, then why would he be good even
> to keep the spot warm for the next "franchise" QB?

This is all an exercise in looking at options. I agree that Leftwich is
no Drew Brees. When you look at the list of FA QBs, however, he's
towards the top of the list. So what do you do? Re-sign Lemon? OK, but
Lemon as the starter isn't anyone's idea of mediocrity either. I'm not
sure what Beck will turn into but I wouldn't trust the starters job to
him. In the past we've traded for someone else's 2nd string QB as a
solution. That'd be Ray Lucas and Jay Fiedler. That worked out pretty well.

So I'm not seeing an obvious solution here. Maybe you draft another
rookie and let Beck, Lemon and the new guy fight it out. Maybe you wait
till June and see if someone gets released.

Zach to be released According to Fox Sports, Zach Thomas has been informed of his future release. The Dolphins don't want him back. I knew this was coming, but it doesn't make it any easier. Thomas is easily my fav. Dolphin of all time. You will be missed Zach. For the rec

Falcons release Alge Crumpler Might be a decent replacement for Bubba. Or is he old and broken down too?

Alge Crumpler Crumpler, 30, never fully recovered from offseason knee surgery, missed two games and had his second-least productive season (42 catches, 444 yards, 5 touchdowns) of his stellar seven-year career. If healthy, Crumpler isn't expected to be out of work for

Algae Crumpler One of 7 players released by the Falcons today. Worth going after?? Season Team Receiving Rushing Fumbles G GS Rec Yds Avg Long TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost 2007 Atlanta Falcons 14 10 42 444 10.6 55T 5 -- -- -- -- --

Alge Crumpler and Zach Thomas available Ya think the Bengals will pursue them or they'd be dumb enough to come here? we will turn it around next year in the draft, right? lmfao