Fred Davis Or Martellus Bennett At TE?

seahawk · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 69

If we're going to look at a TE in the first round, Martellus Bennett who
declared as a Junior for the draft is more the big target and nasty blocker
we need than Fred Davis (who's more of a finesse player). Ranked as the
second best TE, this is the type of player we need. At 6' 7", he's a
nightmare to defend in the middle of the field and in the red zone. I love
that he loves blocking too. This is a complete TE package. We could do worse
to improve the team.

Martellus Bennett's Bio:

For some tight ends, their value can be measured simply by looking at their
receptions total at the end of a game. But that’s not the case with the
Aggies’ Martellus Bennett, who might be the nation’s best block/catch tight
end. When asked what defines him as a tight end, Bennett says, “My knuckles
are dirty. If you want to be called a tight end, show me some dirty hands.”
Bennett has always impressed with his blocking skills, both at the point of
attack and down the field. The 6-foot-7, 255-pounder has 67 knockdown blocks
this season and is also the Aggies’ receptions leader with 45 catches for
541 yards. - Texas A&M Football

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William P. Tomisser
"Power Of Ten" Band
www.poweroften.net
Anchorage, Alaska

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Philip Milhous Duert · Joined: 05 Dec 2007 Posts: 8

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:22:05 -0900, "seahawk"
wrote:

>If we're going to look at a TE in the first round, Martellus Bennett who
>declared as a Junior for the draft is more the big target and nasty blocker
>we need than Fred Davis (who's more of a finesse player). Ranked as the
>second best TE, this is the type of player we need. At 6' 7", he's a
>nightmare to defend in the middle of the field and in the red zone. I love
>that he loves blocking too. This is a complete TE package. We could do worse
>to improve the team.

>Martellus Bennett's Bio:

>For some tight ends, their value can be measured simply by looking at their
>receptions total at the end of a game. But that’s not the case with the
>Aggies’ Martellus Bennett, who might be the nation’s best block/catch tight
>end. When asked what defines him as a tight end, Bennett says, “My knuckles
>are dirty. If you want to be called a tight end, show me some dirty hands.”
>Bennett has always impressed with his blocking skills, both at the point of
>attack and down the field. The 6-foot-7, 255-pounder has 67 knockdown blocks
>this season and is also the Aggies’ receptions leader with 45 catches for
>541 yards. - Texas A&M Football

I have a question Bill T.: have you seen either Fred Davis or
Martellus Bennett in action, either on TV or live at a game?

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seahawk · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 69

Philip Milhous Duert wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:22:05 -0900, "seahawk"
> wrote:
>
>> If we're going to look at a TE in the first round, Martellus Bennett
>> who declared as a Junior for the draft is more the big target and
>> nasty blocker we need than Fred Davis (who's more of a finesse
>> player). Ranked as the second best TE, this is the type of player we
>> need. At 6' 7", he's a nightmare to defend in the middle of the
>> field and in the red zone. I love that he loves blocking too. This
>> is a complete TE package. We could do worse to improve the team.
>
>> Martellus Bennett's Bio:
>
>> For some tight ends, their value can be measured simply by looking
>> at their receptions total at the end of a game. But that's not the
>> case with the Aggies' Martellus Bennett, who might be the nation's
>> best block/catch tight end. When asked what defines him as a tight
>> end, Bennett says, "My knuckles are dirty. If you want to be called
>> a tight end, show me some dirty hands." Bennett has always impressed
>> with his blocking skills, both at the point of attack and down the
>> field. The 6-foot-7, 255-pounder has 67 knockdown blocks this season
>> and is also the Aggies' receptions leader with 45 catches for 541
>> yards. - Texas A&M Football
>
> I have a question Bill T.: have you seen either Fred Davis or
> Martellus Bennett in action, either on TV or live at a game?
>
> -
> http://philduert.wordpress.com

I saw one Texas A&M game on TV this year. While not a college football fan,
I have a friend who is and he got me to watch a few this year. I will watch
the Washington Huskies whenever I get a chance but usually not other teams.
I did watch the Huskies play USC also. While I understand one game isn't
really enough to judge players by, I do read a lot of the scouting reports.
I trust their judgement more than what I can see on a TV set anyway since
they are professionals and my coaching and in-depth experience other than
playing High School football was to coach Pop Warner (I was the DC).

Sometimes, when I'm down at a Seahawk Game, we go see a Husky game but not
this year. I saw the Huskies play last year at Husky stadium. My cousin was
the commencement director for the UW for a long time as well as being
married to the former Dean of Forestry there so they have big time
connections for tickets and stuff.

Bennett looked like a monster and I was most impressed by his tenacious
blocking. Davis looked like a WR more than a TE to me. As I'm sure your
point is, what more can you say from one game?

Have you seen them play? If so, what is your assessment of their respective
talents. I know you want to draft a DT with the first pick but please just
assess the TE's from your perspective. I know you follow college football a
lot more than I do and I would be interested in hearing your opinion.

Scouts have a high opinion of Bennett (of Davis too of course). I'm sure the
Seahawks have their opinion of both of them too and how they score against
other players they are considering. I'm assuming that because they need a
TE, both of those players are on their radar.

I have no idea if the Seahawks are really interested in either of them. I'm
just a lowly fan and for some reason the Seahawks front office keeps me
completly out of the loop. Smile

--
William P. Tomisser
"Power Of Ten" Band
www.poweroften.net
Anchorage, Alaska

Philip Milhous Duert · Joined: 05 Dec 2007 Posts: 8

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:46:05 -0900, "seahawk"
wrote:

>Philip Milhous Duert wrote:

>> I have a question Bill T.: have you seen either Fred Davis or
>> Martellus Bennett in action, either on TV or live at a game?

>I saw one Texas A&M game on TV this year. While not a college football fan,
>I have a friend who is and he got me to watch a few this year. I will watch
>the Washington Huskies whenever I get a chance but usually not other teams.
>I did watch the Huskies play USC also. While I understand one game isn't
>really enough to judge players by, I do read a lot of the scouting reports.
>I trust their judgement more than what I can see on a TV set anyway since
>they are professionals and my coaching and in-depth experience other than
>playing High School football was to coach Pop Warner (I was the DC).

>Sometimes, when I'm down at a Seahawk Game, we go see a Husky game but not
>this year. I saw the Huskies play last year at Husky stadium. My cousin was
>the commencement director for the UW for a long time as well as being
>married to the former Dean of Forestry there so they have big time
>connections for tickets and stuff.

>Bennett looked like a monster and I was most impressed by his tenacious
>blocking. Davis looked like a WR more than a TE to me. As I'm sure your
>point is, what more can you say from one game?

Then I trust your opinion on him entirely. I may not wind up agreeing
that he's the one person we should draft with our first pick, but you
have an argument that I consider valid and one I can respect.

The arguments I never respect are "faith-based" football arguments
like "Mel Kiper Jr. said it; I agree with it; that settles it."
First-hand information - that is, having seen the player in game
action (not a lone TV highlight), either live or watching games - is
the best way to evaluate a player.

>Have you seen them play? If so, what is your assessment of their respective
>talents. I know you want to draft a DT with the first pick but please just
>assess the TE's from your perspective. I know you follow college football a
>lot more than I do and I would be interested in hearing your opinion.

I'm not a fan of college football - who has time for it other than the
very young and retirees, nowadays, anyway? - I'm more a fan of
watching particular players whom the draft "experts" (there are more
of them than just Mel Kiper) are keying on.

I had no time to "key on" either Davis or Bennett this season. I saw a
few minutes of TAMU v. Kansas in mid-season, and I swear, that and a
few minutes of Auburn and LSU were among the very few minutes I've
seen of college football this year.

My strong opinions about USC's _defensive players_ (Lawrence Jackson
and Sedrick Ellis) are based mostly on what I've seen of them in
*previous seasons*. I saw bits and pieces of the Senior Bowl today,
and Ellis was double-teamed - I thought allowing that in an NFL
college senior all-star game is a poor way to evaluate guards and
centers, but that's a post for another day.

I've really not seen a super-dominant, knock-my-socks-off tight end in
college since Tony Gonzales came out of Cal, Keith Jackson played at
Oklahoma, Bavaro came out of NDU and Bosworth came out of Miami
(sorry, I meant Shockey). The first I saw of Shannon Sharpe was the
1989 Blue Gray Game, and he was still a wide receiver then - he didn't
even have the build of a tight end yet!

However, if you have seen Davis and Bennett in action, then I'll
respect your opinion, just as I respect those of Doug, Charles, Dino,
Dave Crockett, Santolina and a few others here, who know and
understand how to evaluate pro talent. My only beef is with people who
wave Mel Kiper's draft book in my face, without ever having seen
themselves the players they are touting.

>Scouts have a high opinion of Bennett (of Davis too of course). I'm sure the
>Seahawks have their opinion of both of them too and how they score against
>other players they are considering. I'm assuming that because they need a
>TE, both of those players are on their radar.

>I have no idea if the Seahawks are really interested in either of them. I'm
>just a lowly fan and for some reason the Seahawks front office keeps me
>completly out of the loop. Smile

I look forward to the next three months, the "talent evaluation
season" on this newsgroup. I'd especially like to hear what Charles
has to say :--)

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http://philduert.wordpress.com

seahawk · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 69

Philip Milhous Duert wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:46:05 -0900, "seahawk"
> wrote:
>
>> Philip Milhous Duert wrote:
>
>>> I have a question Bill T.: have you seen either Fred Davis or
>>> Martellus Bennett in action, either on TV or live at a game?
>
>> I saw one Texas A&M game on TV this year. While not a college
>> football fan, I have a friend who is and he got me to watch a few
>> this year. I will watch the Washington Huskies whenever I get a
>> chance but usually not other teams. I did watch the Huskies play USC
>> also. While I understand one game isn't really enough to judge
>> players by, I do read a lot of the scouting reports. I trust their
>> judgement more than what I can see on a TV set anyway since they are
>> professionals and my coaching and in-depth experience other than
>> playing High School football was to coach Pop Warner (I was the DC).
>
>> Sometimes, when I'm down at a Seahawk Game, we go see a Husky game
>> but not this year. I saw the Huskies play last year at Husky
>> stadium. My cousin was the commencement director for the UW for a
>> long time as well as being married to the former Dean of Forestry
>> there so they have big time connections for tickets and stuff.
>
>> Bennett looked like a monster and I was most impressed by his
>> tenacious blocking. Davis looked like a WR more than a TE to me. As
>> I'm sure your point is, what more can you say from one game?
>
> Then I trust your opinion on him entirely. I may not wind up agreeing
> that he's the one person we should draft with our first pick, but you
> have an argument that I consider valid and one I can respect.
>
> The arguments I never respect are "faith-based" football arguments
> like "Mel Kiper Jr. said it; I agree with it; that settles it."
> First-hand information - that is, having seen the player in game
> action (not a lone TV highlight), either live or watching games - is
> the best way to evaluate a player.
>
>> Have you seen them play? If so, what is your assessment of their
>> respective talents. I know you want to draft a DT with the first
>> pick but please just assess the TE's from your perspective. I know
>> you follow college football a lot more than I do and I would be
>> interested in hearing your opinion.
>
> I'm not a fan of college football - who has time for it other than the
> very young and retirees, nowadays, anyway? - I'm more a fan of
> watching particular players whom the draft "experts" (there are more
> of them than just Mel Kiper) are keying on.
>
> I had no time to "key on" either Davis or Bennett this season. I saw a
> few minutes of TAMU v. Kansas in mid-season, and I swear, that and a
> few minutes of Auburn and LSU were among the very few minutes I've
> seen of college football this year.
>
> My strong opinions about USC's _defensive players_ (Lawrence Jackson
> and Sedrick Ellis) are based mostly on what I've seen of them in
> *previous seasons*. I saw bits and pieces of the Senior Bowl today,
> and Ellis was double-teamed - I thought allowing that in an NFL
> college senior all-star game is a poor way to evaluate guards and
> centers, but that's a post for another day.
>
> I've really not seen a super-dominant, knock-my-socks-off tight end in
> college since Tony Gonzales came out of Cal, Keith Jackson played at
> Oklahoma, Bavaro came out of NDU and Bosworth came out of Miami
> (sorry, I meant Shockey). The first I saw of Shannon Sharpe was the
> 1989 Blue Gray Game, and he was still a wide receiver then - he didn't
> even have the build of a tight end yet!
>
> However, if you have seen Davis and Bennett in action, then I'll
> respect your opinion, just as I respect those of Doug, Charles, Dino,
> Dave Crockett, Santolina and a few others here, who know and
> understand how to evaluate pro talent. My only beef is with people who
> wave Mel Kiper's draft book in my face, without ever having seen
> themselves the players they are touting.
>
>> Scouts have a high opinion of Bennett (of Davis too of course). I'm
>> sure the Seahawks have their opinion of both of them too and how
>> they score against other players they are considering. I'm assuming
>> that because they need a TE, both of those players are on their
>> radar.
>
>> I have no idea if the Seahawks are really interested in either of
>> them. I'm just a lowly fan and for some reason the Seahawks front
>> office keeps me completly out of the loop. Smile

>
> I look forward to the next three months, the "talent evaluation
> season" on this newsgroup. I'd especially like to hear what Charles
> has to say :--)
>
> -
> http://philduert.wordpress.com

Actually, Kiper is the last guy I read. There a a lot of pro scouting
reports that go into depth on evaluating different players and if you read a
lot of them, you can correlate what points they agree on. I like to get a
sense of what different evaluators see as pros and cons in a player I'm
interested in. As I said, I feel they have a lot more experience than I do
and what I see on TV is just an impression without the substance the reports
provide.

Bennett is a Junior and it was widely speculated that if he had stayed in
school, he could have possibly been a top 5 pick next year. Mike Sherman
helped him evaluate whether he could have an impact on this years draft and
after researching it, they felt he could still be a first round pick this
year albeit not as high as he could have gone next year. He's not as
polished as Davis (or some of the TE's you mentioned above were when they
came out of school) but he seems to have a tremendous upside that he isn't
that far away from realizing.

It sounds as if Davis will be picked first and Bennett might just be around
towards the end of the first round which is just about right for us. I like
to try and be realistic in who might actually be there when we pick when I
advocate someone for consideration as our first round choice. I don't
advocate selecting Bennett if there is a much better player at another
position available when we pick.

He's just one of those players that intrigues me. I guess I just like his
nasty streak and that fact that he gets off on pancaking guys on blocks.
We've all talked about having a great blocking TE but here's one that is all
that AND a very good receiver too. He seems to me to be a guys that could
become what Stevens had the potential to be and never came close to
realizing. He has Stevens size but is a better reciever and a much better
blocker.

I think Bennett could help our club but there are a lot of other guys out
there that can help us too in different ways. I have faith that Ruskell and
Holmgren will get someone that will help. After all, all but 5 guys drafted
in the last three years are still with the club including all choices form
2006 and 2007. That's a pretty good track record in my book for finding guys
that can help the Seahawk's improve. I think that comes from selecting the
best athlete available so that whoever you select in whatever position is a
pretty good player. Should be the same this year.

--
William P. Tomisser
"Power Of Ten" Band
www.poweroften.net
Anchorage, Alaska

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