Grounds for Explusion?

PC · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 59

First some necessary background infromation on the league structure:

This is a 16 team auction-style keeper league that drafts rookies each year.
6 teams make the playoffs. The pot is worth $4,000 a year.
The best 8 teams not to make the playoffs are put in an end of the year
"Toilet Bowl" tournament.
The order of the draft is determined by the Toilet Bowl tournament. The
winner of the tournament gets the first pick. The loser of the Toilet Bowl
is second, etc. The two teams that missed both tournaments pick 9th and
10th while the rest of the round is determined by the playoffs with the
Champion picking last.

Early in the season, my team ('team red' for this discussion), made a team
with 'team yellow'. I sent him Torry Holt for a first round draft pick in
2008.

It turns out that team yellow was the best team to not make the playoffs.
He was in the league's most competetive division, and despite making several
high-profile trades, just missed out on the real post-season tournament. As
a result of team yellow being the best team to miss the playoffs, team
yellow was the #1 seed in the tournament. My team was the #7 seed. So,
prior to the start of the tournament I actually have the #1 and #7 pick
overall in the 1st round in 2008.

Team red and team yellow are in opposite brackets so it is possible that
both teams could meet in the Toilet Bowl final which would give me the #1
and the #2 pick for next year's rookies.

The first week we both win. This means I now have the #3 and #4 pick no
matter what happens. I get obliterated. The other guy had some Giants on
his team and they won big in week 16. The other guy loses by one point.
When I look at his roster this is what I discover:

He started Cleo Lemon instead of Peyton Manning
He started Frank Gore and Thomas Jones over Adrian Peterson and LaDanian
Tomlinson
He started Lee Evans over Torry Holt

It appeared he did not put his best team on the field. When asked why he
fielded that team he said he was pissed about missing the playoffs, and
pissed at another owner for "his cocky remarks", and he stood to gain
nothing anyway. BTW the other owner in question with the cocky remarks was
not me.

As commissioner would you act on this?

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Bald and Beautiful · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 11

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"PC" wrote in message @comcast.com...
> First some necessary background infromation on the league structure:
>
> This is a 16 team auction-style keeper league that drafts rookies each
> year.
> 6 teams make the playoffs. The pot is worth $4,000 a year.
> The best 8 teams not to make the playoffs are put in an end of the year
> "Toilet Bowl" tournament.
> The order of the draft is determined by the Toilet Bowl tournament. The
> winner of the tournament gets the first pick. The loser of the Toilet
> Bowl is second, etc. The two teams that missed both tournaments pick 9th
> and 10th while the rest of the round is determined by the playoffs with
> the Champion picking last.
>
> Early in the season, my team ('team red' for this discussion), made a team
> with 'team yellow'. I sent him Torry Holt for a first round draft pick in
> 2008.
>
> It turns out that team yellow was the best team to not make the playoffs.
> He was in the league's most competetive division, and despite making
> several high-profile trades, just missed out on the real post-season
> tournament. As a result of team yellow being the best team to miss the
> playoffs, team yellow was the #1 seed in the tournament. My team was the
> #7 seed. So, prior to the start of the tournament I actually have the #1
> and #7 pick overall in the 1st round in 2008.
>
> Team red and team yellow are in opposite brackets so it is possible that
> both teams could meet in the Toilet Bowl final which would give me the #1
> and the #2 pick for next year's rookies.
>
> The first week we both win. This means I now have the #3 and #4 pick no
> matter what happens. I get obliterated. The other guy had some Giants on
> his team and they won big in week 16. The other guy loses by one point.
> When I look at his roster this is what I discover:
>
> He started Cleo Lemon instead of Peyton Manning
> He started Frank Gore and Thomas Jones over Adrian Peterson and LaDanian
> Tomlinson
> He started Lee Evans over Torry Holt
>
> It appeared he did not put his best team on the field. When asked why he
> fielded that team he said he was pissed about missing the playoffs, and
> pissed at another owner for "his cocky remarks", and he stood to gain
> nothing anyway. BTW the other owner in question with the cocky remarks
> was not me.
>
> As commissioner would you act on this?
>
>
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Absolute grounds for expulsion. Although I think a league vote would be in
order. If the vote went against expulsion I would say your league is a bit
tainted.

Sir Creep · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 40

On Jan 11, 1:34 pm, "Bald and Beautiful"
wrote:
> --
> "We're burnin' daylight!""PC" wrote in message
>
> @comcast.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > First some necessary background infromation on the league structure:
>
> > This is a 16 team auction-style keeper league that drafts rookies each
> > year.
> > 6 teams make the playoffs. The pot is worth $4,000 a year.
> > The best 8 teams not to make the playoffs are put in an end of the year
> > "Toilet Bowl" tournament.
> > The order of the draft is determined by the Toilet Bowl tournament. The
> > winner of the tournament gets the first pick. The loser of the Toilet
> > Bowl is second, etc. The two teams that missed both tournaments pick 9th
> > and 10th while the rest of the round is determined by the playoffs with
> > the Champion picking last.
>
> > Early in the season, my team ('team red' for this discussion), made a team
> > with 'team yellow'. I sent him Torry Holt for a first round draft pick in
> > 2008.
>
> > It turns out that team yellow was the best team to not make the playoffs..
> > He was in the league's most competetive division, and despite making
> > several high-profile trades, just missed out on the real post-season
> > tournament. As a result of team yellow being the best team to miss the
> > playoffs, team yellow was the #1 seed in the tournament. My team was the
> > #7 seed. So, prior to the start of the tournament I actually have the #1
> > and #7 pick overall in the 1st round in 2008.
>
> > Team red and team yellow are in opposite brackets so it is possible that
> > both teams could meet in the Toilet Bowl final which would give me the #1
> > and the #2 pick for next year's rookies.
>
> > The first week we both win. This means I now have the #3 and #4 pick no
> > matter what happens. I get obliterated. The other guy had some Giants on
> > his team and they won big in week 16. The other guy loses by one point.
> > When I look at his roster this is what I discover:
>
> > He started Cleo Lemon instead of Peyton Manning
> > He started Frank Gore and Thomas Jones over Adrian Peterson and LaDanian
> > Tomlinson
> > He started Lee Evans over Torry Holt
>
> > It appeared he did not put his best team on the field. When asked why he
> > fielded that team he said he was pissed about missing the playoffs, and
> > pissed at another owner for "his cocky remarks", and he stood to gain
> > nothing anyway. BTW the other owner in question with the cocky remarks
> > was not me.
>
> > As commissioner would you act on this?
>
> > --
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>
> Absolute grounds for expulsion. Although I think a league vote would be in
> order. If the vote went against expulsion I would say your league is a bit
> tainted.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yup....you have two choices: 1) Insist (not that you should have to,
but hey...) that the guy is voted for expulsion, seeing as he has
given THAT as his reason for tanking (not that tanking is a legit
management of the FF team, esp for $$$)...and 2) if they do NOT expell
this a-hole, you have got to quit. I mean, when I see owners that
allow actions w/o integrity, I suspect in my heart they are hoping one
day to be able to perform another, even similar, integrity-less
manuever. It's not a league I want to be part of. I've quit a league
or two over the years due to this (and I could even call it due to
weak Commissioner-ship, as it is HE who needs to bring the hammer down
and demand the league back him--at least that is how Sir Creep runs
his league LOL)

Best of luck
Sir Creep

Bald and Beautiful · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 11

Are you the commish? And how did things work out?

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"We're burnin' daylight!"
"PC" wrote in message @comcast.com...
> First some necessary background infromation on the league structure:
>
> This is a 16 team auction-style keeper league that drafts rookies each
> year.
> 6 teams make the playoffs. The pot is worth $4,000 a year.
> The best 8 teams not to make the playoffs are put in an end of the year
> "Toilet Bowl" tournament.
> The order of the draft is determined by the Toilet Bowl tournament. The
> winner of the tournament gets the first pick. The loser of the Toilet
> Bowl is second, etc. The two teams that missed both tournaments pick 9th
> and 10th while the rest of the round is determined by the playoffs with
> the Champion picking last.
>
> Early in the season, my team ('team red' for this discussion), made a team
> with 'team yellow'. I sent him Torry Holt for a first round draft pick in
> 2008.
>
> It turns out that team yellow was the best team to not make the playoffs.
> He was in the league's most competetive division, and despite making
> several high-profile trades, just missed out on the real post-season
> tournament. As a result of team yellow being the best team to miss the
> playoffs, team yellow was the #1 seed in the tournament. My team was the
> #7 seed. So, prior to the start of the tournament I actually have the #1
> and #7 pick overall in the 1st round in 2008.
>
> Team red and team yellow are in opposite brackets so it is possible that
> both teams could meet in the Toilet Bowl final which would give me the #1
> and the #2 pick for next year's rookies.
>
> The first week we both win. This means I now have the #3 and #4 pick no
> matter what happens. I get obliterated. The other guy had some Giants on
> his team and they won big in week 16. The other guy loses by one point.
> When I look at his roster this is what I discover:
>
> He started Cleo Lemon instead of Peyton Manning
> He started Frank Gore and Thomas Jones over Adrian Peterson and LaDanian
> Tomlinson
> He started Lee Evans over Torry Holt
>
> It appeared he did not put his best team on the field. When asked why he
> fielded that team he said he was pissed about missing the playoffs, and
> pissed at another owner for "his cocky remarks", and he stood to gain
> nothing anyway. BTW the other owner in question with the cocky remarks
> was not me.
>
> As commissioner would you act on this?
>
>
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>

PC · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 59

'Bald and Beautiful' decided to chime in with:
> Are you the commish? And how did things work out?
>

I am not the comissioner, just the team that got screwed in this fiasco. We
have a league structure such that there is a comissioner for the league and
two "junior" comissioners, one for each conference. The offender in
questions happens to be the comissioner's best buddy. The comissioner did
kick out his brother in-law from the league for collusion some years ago so
he may be impartial in this matter.

Just in case, I am bringing the issue to the attention of the conference
comissioners. The conference comissioners change from year to year, and I
happen to be the conference comissioner this year so I will be speaking with
last year's conference comissioner to handle this. After that we will bring
it to the actual, real comissioner.

I like the guy from 'Team Yellow'. He is fun to hang out with, cracks a lot
of jokes, and is a good addition to the league. But this behavior is
unacceptable whether it harms my team or not. I mean, where does it end?
Maybe next year some team tanks during the last week of the regular season
on purpose because another team paid them to do so in hopes of making the
playoffs. The difference between a #1 and #2 pick in next year's draft is
the difference between a stud running back that instantly improves your team
and a promising WR who needs two years to develop.

I may end up asking that our league makes a rule that explicitly states that
if anyone should be suspected of tanking in the future a league wide vote
will take place to possibly remove them from the league. As it is now it is
solely up to the disgresion of the comissioner.

I will let you guys know but the ultimate decision may not come until after
the NFL draft when we meet in person again.

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Polarhound · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 101

PC wrote:

> As commissioner would you act on this?

Take away his 1st round pick for Conduct Detrimental To The League.

Bald and Beautiful · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 11

Your commish's first name isn't Dan is it?

PC · Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 29

Bald and Beautiful wrote:
> Your commish's first name isn't Dan is it?

Anthony. He is an announcer for FOX Sports.
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PC · Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 29

Bald and Beautiful wrote:
>> OK, I am in the process of building my case. I figured what would
>> really help me out is if I could get him to admit in email that he
>> tanked. Here is his response verbatim, except for names that have
>> been changed.

>
> "He started Cleo Lemon instead of Peyton Manning
> He started Frank Gore and Thomas Jones over Adrian Peterson and
> LaDanian Tomlinson"
>

What part of his response do you take exception with? Or are you unable to
articulate that?

> Okay I see, PC's for dummies!
>

Can you try that again, in english this time?

PC · Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 29

Polarhound wrote:

>
> Why is this all being dragged out to begin with?
>

Because the comissioner is this guy's best friend so I am going trying to
build a strong case. Now I have him locked in to a position that I can pick
apart.

> Tell your Commish to grow a pair and drop the tard like a bad habit.

I see no reason to kick someone out because they are stupid. Maybe I can
keep getting him to trade me first round picks every year.

Sir Creep · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 40

On Jan 17, 11:05 pm, "PC" wrote:
> Polarhound wrote:
>
> > Why is this all being dragged out to begin with?
>
> Because the comissioner is this guy's best friend

Then he shouldn't be Commish. A good Commish is only concerned about
ONE thing: The betterment of the league as a whole. I would draft and
vote for any rule that would benefit the league even if it were to the
detriment of my own team, period. I would take action, iow, for the
betterment of hte league, my team's interests aside. Any other form
of leadership is non-leadership and purely self-serving, and if one
doesn't know how to wear a Commish Hat when it is time to make Commish
decisions, and to wear their Owner or Friend Hat when it is
appropriate, then they are not only doing a disservice to your league,
they are a piss-poor Commish.

All that said, I am a rare breed indeed, and this is why the leagues I
run REFUSE to let me step aside (I"ve tried). I have to say that most
leagues are run by testicle-less types, I dare say, or those who are
nowhere to be found when the times are tough. Best of luck with your
situation....maybe YOU should be Commish, at least integrity would be
brought back to the league, so it seems.

Peace,
SCreep

PC · Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 29

Sir Creep wrote:

>
> Best of luck with your
> situation....maybe YOU should be Commish, at least integrity would be
> brought back to the league, so it seems.
>

Well I finally felt that I had a solid case and brought my findings to the
attention of the comissioner. He flew through the roof. He is *very*
pissed. Expulsion was very much on his mind.

It is good to see we have a comissioner who puts the league first. He has
now tossed out his brother in law about 8 years ago and now is about to toss
out his best friend.

Thanks to everyone for taking the time to consider this situation. Now I
need to figure out which running backs to draft. But there is plenty of
time for that.

Sir Creep · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 40

On Jan 25, 11:34 am, "PC" wrote:
> Sir Creep wrote:
>
> > Best of luck with your
> > situation....maybe YOU should be Commish, at least integrity would be
> > brought back to the league, so it seems.
>
> Well I finally felt that I had a solid case and brought my findings to the
> attention of the comissioner. He flew through the roof. He is *very*
> pissed. Expulsion was very much on his mind.
>
> It is good to see we have a comissioner who puts the league first. He has
> now tossed out his brother in law about 8 years ago and now is about to toss
> out his best friend.
>
> Thanks to everyone for taking the time to consider this situation. Now I
> need to figure out which running backs to draft. But there is plenty of
> time for that.

Glad to hear it has worked out. Sitting Tomlinson? Indeed.

SC

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