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Bobby M



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:30 am    Post subject: Jake Long Reply with quote

Article on him and why we should pick him #1:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=yasinskas_pat&id=3258732

OL Long is Dolphins' best option with No. 1 pick
By Pat Yasinskas - ESPN.com

INDIANAPOLIS -- In his own eyes, Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long
is a skill player. He also takes pride in being a cheater.

That combination might be the reason most personnel evaluators view
him as the top offensive lineman at the NFL scouting combine. The
6-foot-7 and 315-pounds Long was flagged for only two penalties during
his college career. He had a false start against Northwestern last
season and a holding penalty as a redshirt freshman. But that only
means Long is a master at holding defensive linemen.

"Yeah, absolutely, I'll admit that I hold,'' Long said. "I get my
hands inside and hide it that I'm holding. I try to hide it so the
refs can't see it.''

That's where the skill comes in.

"I think it is a skill,'' Long said. "If you can get away with it and
not get caught, it's absolutely a skill. I try to make sure I get my
hands inside on every single play so if I do hold a little bit then
the refs won't be able to see it.''

Long allowed only two sacks during his four seasons starting on
Michigan's offensive line, playing his first two years at right tackle
and his last two on the left. He was named Big Ten Offensive Lineman
of the Year in 2006, beating out Penn State's Levi Brown and
Wisconsin's Joe Thomas, both of whom were top-five picks in last
year's draft. Long could have entered the draft a year ago, but
decided he wanted one more year of seasoning at left tackle.

So why are Boston College quarterback Matt Ryan, Virginia defensive
end Chris Long (no relation) and Arkansas running back Darren McFadden
commonly mentioned as the most likely players to be chosen with the
first overall pick? It's because of their positions. Ryan plays a spot
at which he touches the ball every play and McFadden's viewed as the
kind of runner who can handle 25 carries a game. Chris Long might be
the kind of pass-rusher who can disrupt a game.

But Ryan, McFadden and Chris Long aren't sure things. Chris Long might
be one-dimensional (there are questions about his run defense) ,
Ryan's slow delivery and mobility could be cause for concern and
McFadden hasn't shown much as far as blocking or receiving skills.

With Jake Long, there are no questions, and that's why the Miami
Dolphins should take him with the top pick, assuming they hold onto
that spot. Coming off a 1-15 season, the Dolphins could look to trade
down, adding picks as they go through a major overhaul.

But, if you're a team with needs everywhere, why not take the one sure
thing in the draft?

Long might not play a flashy position, but he's the safest pick.

Offensive tackle might be the easiest position to scout, and Long
excelled in a strong conference for four years. Sure, offensive
tackles can be busts, but for every Robert Gallery, there's an Orlando
Pace, a Jonathan Ogden and a Tony Boselli.

Long's the kind of player the Dolphins can plug in right away and get
a productive 10-year career from. He'd be their first solid left
tackle since Richmond Webb, whose last season with the team was 2000,
and he'd be a huge upgrade over last season, when Miami started Vernon
Carey on the left side and L.J. Shelton on the right. With that duo,
the Dolphins usually limited quarterbacks Trent Green, Cleo Lemon and
John Beck to three-step drops and they still took a beating.

Shelton was released in one of the first moves Bill Parcells made
after he took over Miami's front office. Carey can be serviceable on
the right side, where he belongs. But that only works if the Dolphins
get a franchise left tackle. New coach Tony Sparano made his name
coaching offensive linemen and giving him Long would be a nice way to
start his first draft.

It might take years for a quarterback to develop. The Dolphins already
have a pass-rusher in Jason Taylor and a running back, if Ronnie Brown
(or even Ricky Williams) can get healthy. Drafting Long might not
excite Miami fans in April, but he can help the Dolphins immediately
in September.

"You're guaranteed to have to pay so much money [to a No. 1 pick],''
said San Francisco general manager Scot McCloughan, who was part of
the brain trust that used the first pick in 2006 on quarterback Alex
Smith. "It's not just tough on the organization. It's tough on the kid
as well. That's why it's so important to find the right guy. You're
looking for a dang good football player. But you're also looking for
an individual who can handle the pressure of being a high pick --
financial, from the media and from the fans outside.''

Long's shown he can handle pressure, even if he has to hold a little
bit. The Dolphins should keep the pick and grab hold of Long.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Jake Long Reply with quote

"Bobby M" wrote in message @4ax.com...
>
> Article on him and why we should pick him #1:
>
> http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=yasinskas_pat&id=3258732

I'm all for taking Jake Long with the first pick, especially if we can't get
a blockbuster deal to trade down.

No matter how you slice it though, it will cost a pile of mula no matter who
we get.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Jake Long Reply with quote

On Feb 22, 6:12 pm, "Stoobz" wrote:
> "Bobby M" wrote in message
>
> @4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > Article on him and why we should pick him #1:
>
> >http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=yasinsk...
>
> I'm all for taking Jake Long with the first pick, especially if we can't get
> a blockbuster deal to trade down.
>
> No matter how you slice it though, it will cost a pile of mula no matter who
> we get.

I'm fine with giving Long the big bucks if he turns into a Ogden or
Boselli or Pace. Great left tackles are usually the 2nd or 3rd
highest paid player on the team anyway.
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Fred Fredburger



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Jake Long Reply with quote

mitchellUF@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 22, 6:12 pm, "Stoobz" wrote:
>> "Bobby M" wrote in message
>>
>> @4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>> Article on him and why we should pick him #1:
>>> http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=yasinsk...
>> I'm all for taking Jake Long with the first pick, especially if we can't get
>> a blockbuster deal to trade down.
>>
>> No matter how you slice it though, it will cost a pile of mula no matter who
>> we get.
>
> I'm fine with giving Long the big bucks if he turns into a Ogden or
> Boselli or Pace. Great left tackles are usually the 2nd or 3rd
> highest paid player on the team anyway.

When's the last time someone traded away a top notch left tackle? I'm
not coming up with much. Chris Hinton plus change for John Elway.
There's got to be something else, that was a LONG time ago.
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Stoobz



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Jake Long Reply with quote

"Fred Fredburger" wrote in message @comcast.com...
> mitchellUF@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Feb 22, 6:12 pm, "Stoobz" wrote:
>>> "Bobby M" wrote in message
>>>
>>> @4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Article on him and why we should pick him #1:
>>>> http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=yasinsk...
>>> I'm all for taking Jake Long with the first pick, especially if we can't
>>> get
>>> a blockbuster deal to trade down.
>>>
>>> No matter how you slice it though, it will cost a pile of mula no matter
>>> who
>>> we get.
>>
>> I'm fine with giving Long the big bucks if he turns into a Ogden or
>> Boselli or Pace. Great left tackles are usually the 2nd or 3rd
>> highest paid player on the team anyway.
>
> When's the last time someone traded away a top notch left tackle? I'm not
> coming up with much. Chris Hinton plus change for John Elway. There's got
> to be something else, that was a LONG time ago.

Here's some comforting news of note regarding left tackles in case we don't
go long...

Great strides are nothing new for Clady
By Clifton Brown - SportingNews 13 hours, 20 minutes ago

INDIANAPOLIS-Everybody at this week's NFL Combine wants to stand out from
the crowd. Fortunately for Ryan Clady, he already stands out.

Few prospects in the 2008 Draft have come farther, faster, than Clady. As a
high school senior defensive tackle from Rialto, Calif., Clady was barely
recruited by the Pac-10 schools in his backyard, Southern California and
UCLA. So he attended Boise State, where coaches had the foresight to convert
him to offensive tackle.

From that point, everything changed for Clady. He became one of the country's
best left tackles, so good that he left Boise State after his junior season
to declare himself eligible for the draft.

Now Clady is sitting pretty, certain to be a first-round pick, with a chance
to be the first offensive lineman selected. Scouts love his size (6-6, 309
pounds) and his footwork, and they believe he can be an instant starter,
with the chance to be a Pro Bowl-caliber player.


3-round mock draft
546 player scouting reports
Super 99 prospects
Rankings by position
Combine Dish: Day 1 | Day 2
Gholston's Draft Diary: Part 1 | Part 2
Giants' run helps draft's pass rushers
Ryan is top prize at QB
If in doubt, draft a running back

What more can Clady do at the Combine? He can show people that his quick
rise to stardom has not gone to his head.

"I want people to know that I'm still humble, that I'm very competitive, and
that I plan to have a long career in the NFL," said Clady, as he looked
forward to his workout on Saturday. "You always want to make a good
impression. I want to be the first offensive lineman chosen."

This draft is loaded with tackle talent, with Clady, Jake Long of Michigan,
Jeff Otah of Pittsburgh, Chris Williams of Vanderbilt and Sam Baker of
Southern Cal all being mentioned as potential first-round picks.

Clady, however, may have the biggest upside. Considering how quickly he
improved in college, there is little reason to think he won't continue to
improve as a pro. In addition, Clady has never been in trouble off the
field, giving teams one less thing to worry about regarding his character.

This is a volatile draft, with the Miami Dolphins willing to trade the No. 1
pick, and no player who has separated himself as the best prospect. It is
conceivable that Clady could go as high as No. 2 to the St. Louis Rams, but
he is not expected to fall past the Denver Broncos at No. 12.

There is a premium on left tackles in the NFL, because they are counted on
to protect the quarterback's blind side. Long and Clady are regarded as the
top left tackles, which is why Clady admitted to being a little nervous
about the Combine.

"This is exciting, and I think part of this process is to see if you can
handle the pressure," Clady said. "At the end of the day, the coaches and
GMs in the NFL are going to invest a lot of money and time in you. You have
to show them that you're worth it."

At one point, Clady wondered if going to Boise State would make it more
difficult to earn respect as a pro prospect. But those fears were alleviated
when Boise State went 13-0 during his sophomore year, including a thrilling
43-42 win over Oklahoma at the Fiesta Bowl.

"Helping Boise reach the heights we did was a great experience for all of
us," Clady said. "My teammates helped me get to this position. But one
reason I decided to leave Boise is that I felt I had already done everything
I could do in college."

This weekend at the Combine, Clady will try to run faster, jump higher and
lift more than the next guy. He is almost certain to be the first,
first-round pick from Boise State. And being the first offensive tackle
selected would only make that accomplishment sweeter.

"Coming out of high school, I couldn't have pictured any of this," Clady
said. "But I can picture it now."

Clifton Brown is a writer for Sporting News. E-mail him at
cliftonbrown@sportingnews.com.
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Ron



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Jake Long Reply with quote

On Feb 22, 6:52 pm, mitchel...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 22, 6:12 pm, "Stoobz" wrote:
>
> > "Bobby M" wrote in message
>
> >@4ax.com...
>
> > > Article on him and why we should pick him #1:
>
> > >http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=yasinsk...
>
> > I'm all for taking Jake Long with the first pick, especially if we can't get
> > a blockbuster deal to trade down.
>
> > No matter how you slice it though, it will cost a pile of mula no matter who
> > we get.
>
> I'm fine with giving Long the big bucks if he turns into a Ogden or
> Boselli or Pace. Great left tackles are usually the 2nd or 3rd
> highest paid player on the team anyway.

Wow, you're not even gonna include Miami's own Richmond Webb with the
above names?
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Fred Fredburger



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Jake Long Reply with quote

Stoobz wrote:
> "Fred Fredburger" wrote in message
> @comcast.com...
>> mitchellUF@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Feb 22, 6:12 pm, "Stoobz" wrote:
>>>> "Bobby M" wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> @4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Article on him and why we should pick him #1:
>>>>> http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=yasinsk...
>>>>>
>>>> I'm all for taking Jake Long with the first pick, especially if we
>>>> can't get
>>>> a blockbuster deal to trade down.
>>>>
>>>> No matter how you slice it though, it will cost a pile of mula no
>>>> matter who
>>>> we get.
>>>
>>> I'm fine with giving Long the big bucks if he turns into a Ogden or
>>> Boselli or Pace. Great left tackles are usually the 2nd or 3rd
>>> highest paid player on the team anyway.
>>
>> When's the last time someone traded away a top notch left tackle? I'm
>> not coming up with much. Chris Hinton plus change for John Elway.
>> There's got to be something else, that was a LONG time ago.
>
> Here's some comforting news of note regarding left tackles in case we
> don't go long...
>
> Great strides are nothing new for Clady
> By Clifton Brown - SportingNews 13 hours, 20 minutes ago
>
> INDIANAPOLIS-Everybody at this week's NFL Combine wants to stand out
> from the crowd. Fortunately for Ryan Clady, he already stands out.
>
> Few prospects in the 2008 Draft have come farther, faster, than Clady.
> As a high school senior defensive tackle from Rialto, Calif., Clady was
> barely recruited by the Pac-10 schools in his backyard, Southern
> California and UCLA. So he attended Boise State, where coaches had the
> foresight to convert him to offensive tackle.
>
> From that point, everything changed for Clady. He became one of the
> country's best left tackles, so good that he left Boise State after his
> junior season to declare himself eligible for the draft.
>
> Now Clady is sitting pretty, certain to be a first-round pick, with a
> chance to be the first offensive lineman selected. Scouts love his size
> (6-6, 309 pounds) and his footwork, and they believe he can be an
> instant starter, with the chance to be a Pro Bowl-caliber player.
>
>
> 3-round mock draft
> 546 player scouting reports
> Super 99 prospects
> Rankings by position
> Combine Dish: Day 1 | Day 2
> Gholston's Draft Diary: Part 1 | Part 2
> Giants' run helps draft's pass rushers
> Ryan is top prize at QB
> If in doubt, draft a running back
>
> What more can Clady do at the Combine? He can show people that his quick
> rise to stardom has not gone to his head.
>
> "I want people to know that I'm still humble, that I'm very competitive,
> and that I plan to have a long career in the NFL," said Clady, as he
> looked forward to his workout on Saturday. "You always want to make a
> good impression. I want to be the first offensive lineman chosen."
>
> This draft is loaded with tackle talent, with Clady, Jake Long of
> Michigan, Jeff Otah of Pittsburgh, Chris Williams of Vanderbilt and Sam
> Baker of Southern Cal all being mentioned as potential first-round picks.
>
> Clady, however, may have the biggest upside. Considering how quickly he
> improved in college, there is little reason to think he won't continue
> to improve as a pro. In addition, Clady has never been in trouble off
> the field, giving teams one less thing to worry about regarding his
> character.
>
> This is a volatile draft, with the Miami Dolphins willing to trade the
> No. 1 pick, and no player who has separated himself as the best
> prospect. It is conceivable that Clady could go as high as No. 2 to the
> St. Louis Rams, but he is not expected to fall past the Denver Broncos
> at No. 12.
>
> There is a premium on left tackles in the NFL, because they are counted
> on to protect the quarterback's blind side. Long and Clady are regarded
> as the top left tackles, which is why Clady admitted to being a little
> nervous about the Combine.
>
> "This is exciting, and I think part of this process is to see if you can
> handle the pressure," Clady said. "At the end of the day, the coaches
> and GMs in the NFL are going to invest a lot of money and time in you.
> You have to show them that you're worth it."
>
> At one point, Clady wondered if going to Boise State would make it more
> difficult to earn respect as a pro prospect. But those fears were
> alleviated when Boise State went 13-0 during his sophomore year,
> including a thrilling 43-42 win over Oklahoma at the Fiesta Bowl.
>
> "Helping Boise reach the heights we did was a great experience for all
> of us," Clady said. "My teammates helped me get to this position. But
> one reason I decided to leave Boise is that I felt I had already done
> everything I could do in college."
>
> This weekend at the Combine, Clady will try to run faster, jump higher
> and lift more than the next guy. He is almost certain to be the first,
> first-round pick from Boise State. And being the first offensive tackle
> selected would only make that accomplishment sweeter.
>
> "Coming out of high school, I couldn't have pictured any of this," Clady
> said. "But I can picture it now."
>
> Clifton Brown is a writer for Sporting News. E-mail him at
> cliftonbrown@sportingnews.com.
>

From http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-83794037.html

"If history is a guide, left tackles chosen in the first round won't be
busts. Picking a tackle in the first round is like picking a hamburger
from an intimidating menu--it's the safest thing to do."

That link is old, but it's interesting nonetheless. Here's another quote:

"Left tackles aren't like quarterbacks, receivers, defensive backs or
interior offensive linemen--all of which can be found in many of the
same places as loose change. The elite skill of the left tackle is so
clearly definable that left tackles rarely slip through the cracks."

It's worth noting that I've never found a DB under the cushions of my
couch. Loose change LOTS of times. If this guy's been finding football
players under his couch cushions, he needs to have a long talk with his
wife. Something interesting is going on there.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Jake Long Reply with quote

On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:00:34 -0800 (PST), Ron
wrote:

>On Feb 22, 6:52 pm, mitchel...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Feb 22, 6:12 pm, "Stoobz" wrote:
>>
>> > "Bobby M" wrote in message
>>
>> >@4ax.com...
>>
>> > > Article on him and why we should pick him #1:
>>
>> > >http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=yasinsk...
>>
>> > I'm all for taking Jake Long with the first pick, especially if we can't get
>> > a blockbuster deal to trade down.
>>
>> > No matter how you slice it though, it will cost a pile of mula no matter who
>> > we get.
>>
>> I'm fine with giving Long the big bucks if he turns into a Ogden or
>> Boselli or Pace. Great left tackles are usually the 2nd or 3rd
>> highest paid player on the team anyway.
>
>Wow, you're not even gonna include Miami's own Richmond Webb with the
>above names?

Webb was an awesome pass blocking LT, maybe one of the best. But as
for his run blocking - not so good.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Jake Long Reply with quote

On Feb 23, 1:34 pm, Bobby M wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:00:34 -0800 (PST), Ron
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Feb 22, 6:52 pm, mitchel...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Feb 22, 6:12 pm, "Stoobz" wrote:
>
> >> > "Bobby M" wrote in message
>
> >> >@4ax.com...
>
> >> > > Article on him and why we should pick him #1:
>
> >> > >http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=yasinsk...
>
> >> > I'm all for taking Jake Long with the first pick, especially if we can't get
> >> > a blockbuster deal to trade down.
>
> >> > No matter how you slice it though, it will cost a pile of mula no matter who
> >> > we get.
>
> >> I'm fine with giving Long the big bucks if he turns into a Ogden or
> >> Boselli or Pace. Great left tackles are usually the 2nd or 3rd
> >> highest paid player on the team anyway.
>
> >Wow, you're not even gonna include Miami's own Richmond Webb with the
> >above names?
>
> Webb was an awesome pass blocking LT, maybe one of the best. But as
> for his run blocking - not so good.
>
> Bobby M

I blame that on the system, not Webb.

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