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Steve Dufour



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:01 am    Post subject: Mainstream Media Racist, Not Rush??? Reply with quote

WASHINGTON TIMES
10/10/2003

Media bias


By John R. Lott Jr



Is it possible to even discuss race in sports, let alone anywhere
else? This past week provideslittlehope. Whether Rush Limbaugh's
comments on Donovan McNabb were racist, there is a general agreement
that he was factually wrong, that Mr. Limbaugh did not know what he is
talking about. Yet, what is the evidence?
Mr. Limbaugh readily admits that it was just his opinion that "the
media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well." But
his critics allowed no possibility for uncertainty, calling his
comments "ignorant" or worse. As National Public Radio put it: "Rush
was able to turn a complete lack of understanding of football into a
cross burning." Even the Wall Street Journal ran an editorial
disagreeing with his statements on news coverage.
A couple of stories compared McNabb to another quarterback, such
as Tampa Bay's Brad Johnson, whom many apparently regard as just a
so-so quarterback. But no one has tried to compare the news coverage
of any two quarterbacks, let alone generally between black and white
quarterbacks in the NFL.
To measure positive news coverage, I quickly put 10 research
assistants to work on a Nexis search, which is a computerized search
of newspaper stories across the country. They looked at the coverage
received by the 36 quarterbacks who played during the first four weeks
of this season. (The articles were from the day of their first game to
the day after their last game during the period.) To try to make the
categorization of news stories objective, 23 phrases were picked to
identify positive descriptions of a quarterback and 23 phrases for
negative ones. Positive phrases included words such as "brilliant,"
"agile," "good," "great," "tough," "accurate," "leader,"
"intelligent," or "strong arm." Negative phrases included "overrated,"
"erratic," "struggling," "bad," "weak arm," or "mistakes." Obviously,
the media involves more than newspapers, but this is measurable and it
is not clear why newspapers would be so different from the rest of the
media.
We then identified news stories where these phrases appeared
within 50 words of a quarterback's name. Each story was read to check
that the phrases were indeed used to describe the quarterback and to
make sure that the word "not" did not appear before the different
phrases. Depending upon whether positive or negative words were used
to describe the quarterback, stories were classified as positive,
negative or falling into both categories.
The evidence confirms that Mr. Limbaugh is right, though the
simplest measures indicate that the difference is not huge. Looking at
just the averages, without trying to account for anything else,
reveals a 10 percent difference in coverage (with 67 percent of
stories on blacks being positive, 61 percent for whites).
We also collected data by week for each of the first four weeks of
the season on a host of other factors that help explain the rate at
which a player is praised: the quarterback's rating for each game;
whether his team won; the points scored for and against the team;
ESPN's weekly rank for the quarterback's team and the opponent; and
whether it was a Monday night game. In addition, I accounted for
average differences in media coverage both in the quarterback's city
and the opponent's city as well as differences across weeks of the
season.
Accounting for these other factors shows a much stronger pattern.
Black quarterbacks' news coverage is 27 percentage points more
positive than whites. And, that difference was quite statistically
significant — the chance of this result simply being random is the
same odds as flipping a coin five times and getting heads each time.
The quarterback ranking, scoring, winning, and higher ranked teams
playing against each other all increase the percentage of positive
stories. For example, each additional point scored by the
quarterback's team raises the share of positive news coverage by about
one percentage point. Being in the only game being played on a
particular day lowers how positive the coverage was by about 12
percentage points, as more newspapers outside the home area cover the
game the next day.
The media's interest in the number of black quarterbacks can also
be seen in other more explicit ways. Last season, out of 217 news
stories discussing the race of professional quarterbacks, 194
mentioned whether an individual quarterback was black, only 23 if they
were white. By contrast, for running backs and receivers — where the
ratio of blacks to whites is even more lopsided with blacks dominating
— discussions of a player's race are virtually nonexistent. Only six
stories mentioned that running backs were black and 10 that they were
receivers, and the numbers discussing that they were white were four
and seven, respectively.
Yet, if indeed skin color results in significantly more positive
coverage, doesn't that imply that the media, not Mr. Limbaugh, is
racist? Presumably the media feels that coverage is justified, though
it could mean that the press had too low expectations of blacks.
I hope the furor over Mr. Limbaugh's statement will help us
understand the media a little better. The evidence indicates that
there is a lot to explain. The current fact-free name-calling hardly
shows that sports have come to grip with race.

John R. Lott Jr. is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise
Institute

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 11:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Mainstream Media Racist, Not Rush??? Reply with quote

Steve Dufour wrote in message@posting.google.com...
> WASHINGTON TIMES
> 10/10/2003
>
> Media bias
>
>
> By John R. Lott Jr
>

(snip)

Meaningless, since there are many, many other variables that Lott does not
attempt to control for.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 11:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Mainstream Media Racist, Not Rush??? Reply with quote

"Steve Dufour" wrote in message@posting.google.com...
> WASHINGTON TIMES
> 10/10/2003
>
> Media bias
>
>
> By John R. Lott Jr






Mr. Lott's analysis is lacking a very crucial ingredient.

He's not taking into account the actual performance on the field. His study
is only valid if the on-the-field performance of black and white quarterbacks
is identical. The study needs to include the QB rating of the quarterbacks
too - if the black QB's rating is higher, then his conclusion is invalid.
Conversely, if the black QBs' ratings are equal to or lower than those of
white QBs, then his conclusion is valid.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 2:57 am    Post subject: Re: Mainstream Media Racist, Not Rush??? Reply with quote

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:53:51 GMT, Kurgan Gringioni
wrote:
>
> "Steve Dufour" wrote in message
> @posting.google.com...
>> WASHINGTON TIMES
>> 10/10/2003
>>
>> Media bias
>>
>>
>> By John R. Lott Jr
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mr. Lott's analysis is lacking a very crucial ingredient.
>
> He's not taking into account the actual performance on the field. His study
> is only valid if the on-the-field performance of black and white quarterbacks
> is identical. The study needs to include the QB rating of the quarterbacks
> too - if the black QB's rating is higher, then his conclusion is invalid.
> Conversely, if the black QBs' ratings are equal to or lower than those of
> white QBs, then his conclusion is valid.

That still would not be enough to justify his comments.

For example what if one or black QB (say Vick for example) stood out because of
his style compared to other quarterbacks, even though others performed much
better overall. Would a large number of positive Vick stories indicate a
bias towards black quarter backs, or towards flashy, speedy, running
quarterbacks. So maybe it's just "man bites dog" getting more press than
"dog bites man".

Don't we also have to take into account the media "bias" towards big market
athletes and towards teams that are doing well.

There are a lot more variables other than overall performance and race
to eliminate before the analysis in Lott's report should be given
an ounce of credit. And Lott didn't do the work. He's just another lying
liar, who is well, lying.

Perhaps that's too harsh. Journalists probably for the most part avoided
science classes to the greastest extend possible when they were in school.
Perhaps it's unfair to expect them to conduct any kind of meaningful
research requiring a scientific or mathematical bent. But we don't have
to accept their junk science.

Overall, a clumsy attempt to try to use a technique used to great effect
in Franken's book to evaluate media bias in the coverage of presidential
candidates during the last election. Except that Franken did address the
major variables. Mr. Lott is no Al Franken.

I love these stupid attempts to justify what Rush said. The more stupid the
attempt, the more obvious Rush's hatre is.

Isaac
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Ken



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 5:13 am    Post subject: Re: Mainstream Media Racist, Not Rush??? Reply with quote

"santolina" wrote in message$ji88l$1@ID-78591.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> Steve Dufour wrote in message
> @posting.google.com...
> > WASHINGTON TIMES
> > 10/10/2003
> >
> > Media bias
> >
> >
> > By John R. Lott Jr
> >
>
> (snip)
>
> Meaningless, since there are many, many other variables that Lott does not
> attempt to control for.

Well, let's try a few more stats then. The following are 8 black QB's
currently starting in the NFL:

Byron Leftwich--rating 95.8, 1-1 record as a starter
Steve McNair--rating 98.8, 3-2 record
Quincy Carter--rating 80.5, 3-1 record
Donovan McNabb--rating 51.3, 2-2 record
Kordell Stewart--rating 50.6, 1-3 record
Daunte Culpepper--rating 108.0 rating, 3-0 record thru 3 games played
Aaron Brooks--rating 79.1, 1-4 record
Jeff Blake--rating 71.8, 1-4 record

AVERAGE QB RATING: 79.5
AVERAGE RECORD: 2-2

Now lets compare these numbers to the 4 of the best and 4 of the worst white
currently starting QB's:

Payton Manning--rating 103.2, 5-0 record
Jake Plummer--rating 92.5, 4-1 record
Brad Johnson--rating 92.9, 2-2 record
Matt Hasselbeck--rating 84.5, 4-1 record
Drew Brees--rating 72.3, 0-5 record
Jon Kitna--rating 78.4, 1-4 record
Doug Johnson--rating 69.4, 1-4 record
Vinny Testeverde--rating 82.5, 0-4 record

AVERAGE QB RATING: 84.5
AVERAGE RECORD: 2-2

By comparison, 2 black QB's, Culpepper and McNair, deserve all the praise
they are given and then some, with Leftwich still unproven by his lack of
starts. Neither of these two, BTW, get as much praise and press as McNabb
despite having great seasons and winning teams year after year.

Unlike all of the black QB's, two of the worst white QB's were not intended
to be starters. They are backups filling in for a starter injured in the
preseason (Johnson and Testeverde). The balance of stats also works against
the white QB's by using the absolute worst of the league's white QB's. Even
so, the white QB's still rate 5 points better than the black QB's, with only
one of them (Manning) getting even remotely close to the press and praise of
McNabb and McNair. Four black QB's have a rating of 80 or better, compared
to five white QB's.

Conclusion: Even when handicapped twice in this comparison, the white QB's
come out better than the black QB's. This doesn't mean that whites are
better than blacks at that position necessarily, but it seems to indicate
that some preference for the black QB's is present over the proven ability
and current standings of the white QB's.

Have a nice day,
Ken
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 10:50 am    Post subject: Re: Mainstream Media Racist, Not Rush??? Reply with quote

"Ken" wrote in message@corp.supernews.com...

> Even
> so, the white QB's still rate 5 points better than the black QB's, with
only
> one of them (Manning) getting even remotely close to the press and praise
of
> McNabb and McNair.

In your opinion. I'd say over the years Plummer has gotten nearly as much
press as McNair, especially considering the relative success of the teams
they've played for. Now why does McNabb get more press than McNair
even though McNair came within a whisker of winning the SB? Hint:
McNabb plays in a large East Coast city. There are other sources
of bias than race.

- Gary Rosen
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 3:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Mainstream Media Racist, Not Rush??? Reply with quote

> Well, let's try a few more stats then. The following are 8 black QB's
> currently starting in the NFL:
>
> Byron Leftwich--rating 95.8, 1-1 record as a starter
> Steve McNair--rating 98.8, 3-2 record
> Quincy Carter--rating 80.5, 3-1 record
> Donovan McNabb--rating 51.3, 2-2 record
> Kordell Stewart--rating 50.6, 1-3 record
> Daunte Culpepper--rating 108.0 rating, 3-0 record thru 3 games played
> Aaron Brooks--rating 79.1, 1-4 record
> Jeff Blake--rating 71.8, 1-4 record
>
> AVERAGE QB RATING: 79.5
> AVERAGE RECORD: 2-2
>
> Now lets compare these numbers to the 4 of the best and 4 of the worst white
> currently starting QB's:
>
> Payton Manning--rating 103.2, 5-0 record
> Jake Plummer--rating 92.5, 4-1 record
> Brad Johnson--rating 92.9, 2-2 record
> Matt Hasselbeck--rating 84.5, 4-1 record
> Drew Brees--rating 72.3, 0-5 record
> Jon Kitna--rating 78.4, 1-4 record
> Doug Johnson--rating 69.4, 1-4 record
> Vinny Testeverde--rating 82.5, 0-4 record
>
> AVERAGE QB RATING: 84.5
> AVERAGE RECORD: 2-2
>
> By comparison, 2 black QB's, Culpepper and McNair, deserve all the praise
> they are given and then some, with Leftwich still unproven by his lack of
> starts. Neither of these two, BTW, get as much praise and press as McNabb
> despite having great seasons and winning teams year after year.
>
> Unlike all of the black QB's, two of the worst white QB's were not intended
> to be starters. They are backups filling in for a starter injured in the
> preseason (Johnson and Testeverde). The balance of stats also works against
> the white QB's by using the absolute worst of the league's white QB's. Even
> so, the white QB's still rate 5 points better than the black QB's, with only
> one of them (Manning) getting even remotely close to the press and praise of
> McNabb and McNair. Four black QB's have a rating of 80 or better, compared
> to five white QB's.
>
> Conclusion: Even when handicapped twice in this comparison, the white QB's
> come out better than the black QB's. This doesn't mean that whites are
> better than blacks at that position necessarily, but it seems to indicate
> that some preference for the black QB's is present over the proven ability
> and current standings of the white QB's.
>
> Have a nice day,
> Ken


Thanks for the info Ken. I am pleased to learn that there are so many
black QB's. I didn't know that not being a big fan.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 3:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Mainstream Media Racist, Not Rush??? Reply with quote

> In your opinion. I'd say over the years Plummer has gotten nearly as much
> press as McNair, especially considering the relative success of the teams
> they've played for. Now why does McNabb get more press than McNair
> even though McNair came within a whisker of winning the SB? Hint:
> McNabb plays in a large East Coast city. There are other sources
> of bias than race.
>
> - Gary Rosen

Also a good point. Would you then agree that Rush's comments were not
so unreasonable, even if they might not have been the right thing to
say on a sports TV show whose purpose is to entertain not to probe
into the problems of our society?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Mainstream Media Racist, Not Rush??? Reply with quote

"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in
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>
> "Ken" wrote in message
> @corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > Conclusion: Even when handicapped twice in this comparison, the white
QB's
> > come out better than the black QB's. This doesn't mean that whites are
> > better than blacks at that position necessarily, but it seems to
indicate
> > that some preference for the black QB's is present over the proven
ability
> > and current standings of the white QB's.
>
>
>
>
>
> Your conclusion doesn't mean jack in the context of the subject at hand:
> media bias. You didn't analyze the media coverage on those players, only
your
> personal impressions.

Nonsense. QB ratings and win/loss ratios are hardly my "personal
impressions." Add my comparisons of game stats in with the media
observations in the original post and together they are perfectly valid.
Face it, there is a bias for black QB's by the media for some unknown
reason, but it certainly exists.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 8:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Mainstream Media Racist, Not Rush??? Reply with quote

"Ken" wrote in message news:...
> "Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in
> message $qj6.3636155@news1.news.adelphia.net...
> >
> > "Ken" wrote in message
> > @corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > Conclusion: Even when handicapped twice in this comparison, the white
> QB's
> > > come out better than the black QB's. This doesn't mean that whites are
> > > better than blacks at that position necessarily, but it seems to
> indicate
> > > that some preference for the black QB's is present over the proven
> ability
> > > and current standings of the white QB's.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your conclusion doesn't mean jack in the context of the subject at hand:
> > media bias. You didn't analyze the media coverage on those players, only
> your
> > personal impressions.
>
> Nonsense. QB ratings and win/loss ratios are hardly my "personal
> impressions." Add my comparisons of game stats in with the media
> observations in the original post and together they are perfectly valid.
> Face it, there is a bias for black QB's by the media for some unknown
> reason, but it certainly exists.
...................

Why no good black quaterbacks???

whats the issue??

peace
love
hank
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 8:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Mainstream Media Racist, Not Rush??? Reply with quote

"Ken" wrote in message@corp.supernews.com...
>
> Conclusion: Even when handicapped twice in this comparison, the white QB's
> come out better than the black QB's. This doesn't mean that whites are
> better than blacks at that position necessarily, but it seems to indicate
> that some preference for the black QB's is present over the proven ability
> and current standings of the white QB's.





Your conclusion doesn't mean jack in the context of the subject at hand:
media bias. You didn't analyze the media coverage on those players, only your
personal impressions.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 10:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Mainstream Media Racist, Not Rush??? Reply with quote

"Ken" wrote in message@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > Your conclusion doesn't mean jack in the context of the subject at hand:
> > media bias. You didn't analyze the media coverage on those players, only
> your
> > personal impressions.
>
> Nonsense. QB ratings and win/loss ratios are hardly my "personal
> impressions." Add my comparisons of game stats in with the media
> observations in the original post and together they are perfectly valid.
> Face it, there is a bias for black QB's by the media for some unknown
> reason, but it certainly exists.




In order for your analysis to be valid, the stories in the media have to be
from the *same games* where you get your performance data.

There needs to be that correlation because there are differing levels of
media coverage for different quarterbacks.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 1:32 am    Post subject: Re: Mainstream Media Racist, Not Rush??? Reply with quote

"Steve Dufour" wrote in message@posting.google.com...
> > In your opinion. I'd say over the years Plummer has gotten nearly as
much
> > press as McNair, especially considering the relative success of the
teams
> > they've played for. Now why does McNabb get more press than McNair
> > even though McNair came within a whisker of winning the SB? Hint:
> > McNabb plays in a large East Coast city. There are other sources
> > of bias than race.
> >
> > - Gary Rosen
>
> Also a good point. Would you then agree that Rush's comments were not
> so unreasonable, even if they might not have been the right thing to
> say on a sports TV show whose purpose is to entertain not to probe
> into the problems of our society?

As I've said before, he knew what he was saying and that it was going to
cause a controversy. Given the events of the past few days, it is even
more likely than I first thought that the purpose was to deflect attention
from his drug problem. The McNabb controversy gave him "cred" with
his fanatic listener base that helps to offset the recent revelations.

- Gary Rosen
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 4:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Mainstream Media Racist, Not Rush??? Reply with quote

>
> Why no good black quaterbacks???

There are a couple. But there seem to be very few good quarterbacks
of any color, if by good you mean the fans are happy with them. Smile

>
> whats the issue??
>
> peace
> love
> hank
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 3:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Mainstream Media Racist, Not Rush??? Reply with quote

"Isaac" wrote in message@latveria.castledoom.org...
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:53:51 GMT, Kurgan Gringioni
> wrote:
> >
> > "Steve Dufour" wrote in message
> > @posting.google.com...
> >> WASHINGTON TIMES
> >> 10/10/2003
> >>
> >> Media bias
> >>
> >>
> >> By John R. Lott Jr
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mr. Lott's analysis is lacking a very crucial ingredient.
> >
> > He's not taking into account the actual performance on the field. His
study
> > is only valid if the on-the-field performance of black and white
quarterbacks
> > is identical. The study needs to include the QB rating of the
quarterbacks
> > too - if the black QB's rating is higher, then his conclusion is
invalid.
> > Conversely, if the black QBs' ratings are equal to or lower than those
of
> > white QBs, then his conclusion is valid.
>
> That still would not be enough to justify his comments.
>
> For example what if one or black QB (say Vick for example) stood out
because of
> his style compared to other quarterbacks, even though others performed
much
> better overall. Would a large number of positive Vick stories indicate a
> bias towards black quarter backs, or towards flashy, speedy, running
> quarterbacks. So maybe it's just "man bites dog" getting more press than
> "dog bites man".
>
> Don't we also have to take into account the media "bias" towards big
market
> athletes and towards teams that are doing well.
>
> There are a lot more variables other than overall performance and race
> to eliminate before the analysis in Lott's report should be given
> an ounce of credit. And Lott didn't do the work. He's just another lying
> liar, who is well, lying.

You've been reading Al Franken's book, haven't you?

>
> Perhaps that's too harsh. Journalists probably for the most part avoided
> science classes to the greastest extend possible when they were in school.
> Perhaps it's unfair to expect them to conduct any kind of meaningful
> research requiring a scientific or mathematical bent. But we don't have
> to accept their junk science.
>
> Overall, a clumsy attempt to try to use a technique used to great effect
> in Franken's book to evaluate media bias in the coverage of presidential
> candidates during the last election. Except that Franken did address the
> major variables. Mr. Lott is no Al Franken.
>

Yep, thought so. Don't you guys know how to think for yourselves? Wink

> I love these stupid attempts to justify what Rush said. The more stupid
the
> attempt, the more obvious Rush's hatre is.
>
> Isaac

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