O/T HDMI

chuck · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 13

High Definition Multimedia Interface

Accept nothing less to connect Sat/Cable box, DVD player etc...to your TV
(if it's a HD TV)

Shop on e-bay for HDMI cables...Google it and you will see that you can find
HDMI cables for $10 that are just as good as the ones that cost 5 times that
much.

The best deal I have seen on flat panel HD TVs is the 32" VIZIO for
$600.00...I have set up numerous Sony sets (up to 6o") and several smaller
TVs both plasma and LCD and *for the money* the VIZIO is hard to beat

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Flycoon · Joined: 03 Dec 2007 Posts: 16

chuck wrote:
> High Definition Multimedia Interface
>
> Accept nothing less to connect Sat/Cable box, DVD player etc...to your TV
> (if it's a HD TV)
>
> Shop on e-bay for HDMI cables...Google it and you will see that you can find
> HDMI cables for $10 that are just as good as the ones that cost 5 times that
> much.
>
> The best deal I have seen on flat panel HD TVs is the 32" VIZIO for
> $600.00...I have set up numerous Sony sets (up to 6o") and several smaller
> TVs both plasma and LCD and *for the money* the VIZIO is hard to beat

Sony crushes Vizio when viewed side by side with comparable signals and
settings. But the fact is, you don't view side by side so Vizio sets
are a dramatic improvement over any CRT or older rear projection set.

baynole · Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 22

On Jan 16, 5:33 pm, "chuck" wrote:
> The best deal I have seen on flat panel HD TVs is the 32" VIZIO for
> $600.00...I have set up numerous Sony sets (up to 6o") and several smaller
> TVs both plasma and LCD and *for the money* the VIZIO is hard to beat

I have read many good things about Vizio. I suspect in many srores in
the side-by-side comparison, a Sony is set up/calibrated/adjusted to
show it at its best, but a brand like Vizio or Olevia, w/ less profit
margin, isn't. But I am waiting a year till the Vizio's drop a bit
more, & hopefully have 120Hz refresh.Projections I just saw are that
by the end of 2008, a 37" LCD will not cost much more than a 32" now.

chuck · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 13

I've had a 46" Sony for while (Bravia) and I can tell you for a fact the
VIZIO 32" (cost three times less) has nearly the same picture quality...do
they even have a set of benchmarks for handicapping?
"Flycoon" wrote in message
news:%0wjj.13241$KU.9051@trnddc01...
> chuck wrote:
> > High Definition Multimedia Interface
> >
> > Accept nothing less to connect Sat/Cable box, DVD player etc...to your
TV
> > (if it's a HD TV)
> >
> > Shop on e-bay for HDMI cables...Google it and you will see that you can
find
> > HDMI cables for $10 that are just as good as the ones that cost 5 times
that
> > much.
> >
> > The best deal I have seen on flat panel HD TVs is the 32" VIZIO for
> > $600.00...I have set up numerous Sony sets (up to 6o") and several
smaller
> > TVs both plasma and LCD and *for the money* the VIZIO is hard to beat
>
> Sony crushes Vizio when viewed side by side with comparable signals and
> settings. But the fact is, you don't view side by side so Vizio sets
> are a dramatic improvement over any CRT or older rear projection set.

g b · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 5

Re: O/T HDMI

Group: alt.sports.football.pro.tampabay-bucs Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008,
3:18pm (EST-3) From: baynole@gmail.com (baynole2@yahoo.com)
On Jan 16, 5:33 pm, "chuck" wrote:
The best deal I have seen on flat panel HD TVs is the 32" VIZIO for
$600.00...I have set up numerous Sony sets (up to 6o") and several
smaller TVs both plasma and LCD and *for the money* the VIZIO is hard to
beat
--------
I have read many good things about Vizio. I suspect in many srores in
the side-by-side comparison, a Sony is set up/calibrated/adjusted to
show it at its best, but a brand like Vizio or Olevia, w/ less profit
margin, isn't. But I am waiting a year till the Vizio's drop a bit more,
& hopefully have 120Hz refresh.Projections I just saw are that by the
end of 2008, a 37" LCD will not cost much more than a 32" now.
---------
gb: Thanks for that "suspect". I have been kinda looking for HD for some
time and I have also been suspecting that stores set their money-makers
to the best calibrated/adjustments and other sets so they have a bit
inferior reception. Also I am suspect about some salesmen -- lt seems as
though salespeople often need to call someone else to answer my question
and even that person is not all that sure. Was wondering if it was just
me feeling that way. I finally kinda gave up thinking perhaps in time
thinhs will be described more clearly and undrstandable.

Ron Gibson · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 31

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:18:30 -0800, baynole2@yahoo.com wrote:

> I have read many good things about Vizio. I suspect in many stores in
> the side-by-side comparison, a Sony is set up/calibrated/adjusted to
> show it at its best, but a brand like Vizio or Olevia, w/ less profit
> margin, isn't. But I am waiting a year till the Vizio's drop a bit
> more, & hopefully have 120Hz refresh.Projections I just saw are that by
> the end of 2008, a 37" LCD will not cost much more than a 32" now.

Yeah they have fallen at least 40% in the last year. Eventually the flat
panels will cost the same or less than CRT's as they are simpler to
make.

That also fits into my plan of wait and see = Lower prices. I can't just
jump into this I have...

2 TV's (32 and a 27)
2 analog Recording devices (VCR's)
1 Tuner capture card in my PC.
1 Home DVD Player (doesn't use a signal but compatibility is an issue)

With Dish TV (I've about had it with Brighthouse) you get two "boxes".
My BIL said in passing (I think) one converter box could handle both a
recording device and a TV. If that is the case I have to replace all of
the above.

I may also be able to use my LAN somehow - I dunno. I haven't seen the
equipment.

I think I'll start the experiment with a HD Tuner card for my PC.

--
Email - rsgibson@verizon.borg
Replace borg with net

Stephen Weihman · Joined: 17 Jan 2008 Posts: 7

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:18:30 -0800 (PST), "baynole2@yahoo.com"
wrote:

>I have read many good things about Vizio. I suspect in many srores in
>the side-by-side comparison, a Sony is set up/calibrated/adjusted to
>show it at its best, but a brand like Vizio or Olevia, w/ less profit
>margin, isn't. But I am waiting a year till the Vizio's drop a bit
>more, & hopefully have 120Hz refresh.Projections I just saw are that
>by the end of 2008, a 37" LCD will not cost much more than a 32" now.

I've got an Olevia that 27" LCD that I purchased a while back. Decent
picture quality, especially at the price. My biggest peeve about the
thing is that it's slow to respond to the remote, and I haven't yet
found a universal remote that works well (if at all) with their sets.

---
Raise the red flags!
Superbowl XXXVII Champions

Flycoon · Joined: 03 Dec 2007 Posts: 16

baynole2@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Jan 16, 5:33 pm, "chuck" wrote:
>> The best deal I have seen on flat panel HD TVs is the 32" VIZIO for
>> $600.00...I have set up numerous Sony sets (up to 6o") and several smaller
>> TVs both plasma and LCD and *for the money* the VIZIO is hard to beat
>
> I have read many good things about Vizio. I suspect in many srores in
> the side-by-side comparison, a Sony is set up/calibrated/adjusted to
> show it at its best, but a brand like Vizio or Olevia, w/ less profit
> margin, isn't.

I've found it to be the reverse at Sam's, the picture on the Vizio is
always set to "vivid" and they are usually placed on an end cap by
themselves, as are the Olevia.

But I am waiting a year till the Vizio's drop a bit
> more, & hopefully have 120Hz refresh.Projections I just saw are that
> by the end of 2008, a 37" LCD will not cost much more than a 32" now.
>

Read CNET's Vizio reviews.

Flycoon · Joined: 03 Dec 2007 Posts: 16

g b wrote:
>
> Re: O/T HDMI
>
> Group: alt.sports.football.pro.tampabay-bucs Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008,
> 3:18pm (EST-3) From: baynole@gmail.com (baynole2@yahoo.com)
> On Jan 16, 5:33 pm, "chuck" wrote:
> The best deal I have seen on flat panel HD TVs is the 32" VIZIO for
> $600.00...I have set up numerous Sony sets (up to 6o") and several
> smaller TVs both plasma and LCD and *for the money* the VIZIO is hard to
> beat
> --------
> I have read many good things about Vizio. I suspect in many srores in
> the side-by-side comparison, a Sony is set up/calibrated/adjusted to
> show it at its best, but a brand like Vizio or Olevia, w/ less profit
> margin, isn't. But I am waiting a year till the Vizio's drop a bit more,
> & hopefully have 120Hz refresh.Projections I just saw are that by the
> end of 2008, a 37" LCD will not cost much more than a 32" now.
> ---------
> gb: Thanks for that "suspect". I have been kinda looking for HD for some
> time and I have also been suspecting that stores set their money-makers
> to the best calibrated/adjustments and other sets so they have a bit
> inferior reception. Also I am suspect about some salesmen -- lt seems as
> though salespeople often need to call someone else to answer my question
> and even that person is not all that sure. Was wondering if it was just
> me feeling that way. I finally kinda gave up thinking perhaps in time
> thinhs will be described more clearly and undrstandable.
>

If by "salesman" you mean the teenager at Best buy or Circuit City, they
usually know no more than you.

baynole · Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 22

On Jan 17, 8:45 am, Flycoon wrote:
> Ron Gibson wrote:
> > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:01:15 +0000, Flycoon pocket for two...
>
> Is verizon FIOS available in your area? They are running a promo giving
> you a "free" Sharp HDTV with a new subscription.
>
>
In both the computer mags & in "Consumer Reports" I have read nothing
but positive feedback about Verizon fiberoptical; people who have it,
love it, across the board. Always rated #1.

Flycoon · Joined: 03 Dec 2007 Posts: 16

baynole2@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Jan 17, 8:45 am, Flycoon wrote:
>> Ron Gibson wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:01:15 +0000, Flycoon pocket for two...
>> Is verizon FIOS available in your area? They are running a promo giving
>> you a "free" Sharp HDTV with a new subscription.
>>
>>
> In both the computer mags & in "Consumer Reports" I have read nothing
> but positive feedback about Verizon fiberoptical; people who have it,
> love it, across the board. Always rated #1.

I have had it for a year and a half, the picture is far superior to
BarfHouse and they have employees rather than subs doing the installs.
the FIOS ISP has not been down once; Road Runner was out 2-3 times per
week for 2-3 hours at a shot.

FIOS tv has fewer HD channels than Brighthouse and do not currently
offer the Center Ice package for hockey or the MLB or NBA packages.

Stephen Weihman · Joined: 17 Jan 2008 Posts: 7

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:58:23 -0800 (PST), "baynole2@yahoo.com"
wrote:

>On Jan 17, 8:45 am, Flycoon wrote:
>> Ron Gibson wrote:
>> > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:01:15 +0000, Flycoon pocket for two...
>>
>> Is verizon FIOS available in your area? They are running a promo giving
>> you a "free" Sharp HDTV with a new subscription.
>>
>>
>In both the computer mags & in "Consumer Reports" I have read nothing
>but positive feedback about Verizon fiberoptical; people who have it,
>love it, across the board. Always rated #1.

I'm a satisfied customer. Hard to imagine me saying that about a
phone company before FIOS...

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Raise the red flags!
Superbowl XXXVII Champions

Ron Gibson · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 31

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:31:30 +0000, Flycoon wrote:

> But I am waiting a year till the Vizio's drop a bit
>> more, & hopefully have 120Hz refresh.Projections I just saw are that by
>> the end of 2008, a 37" LCD will not cost much more than a 32" now.

> Read CNET's Vizio reviews.

I just did. Question. If HDMI connects converter box directly to TV for
*both* audio and video I hope they have audio out so I can connect to my
A/V receiver.

Oh I see this unit does...

http://www.vizio.com/products/detail.aspx?pid=18

Retailing now for $600. Not bad and they will get cheaper. Looking at
the outputs and inputs it appears to have all I need.

Question - If...

Supported TV Formats
1080i, 720p, 720i, 480p, 480i

And...

Integrated television tuner - enjoy high definition and regular
television programs with or without paid high definition service.

Why couldn't you just plug this into a regular analog signal source and
start using it? That would be good for me because I have to and prefer
to do this one step at a time. Also as of now I pretty much have decided
to go to a SAT setup. But I really really prefer to do this one step at
a time.

BTW, my old 32" RCA CRT weighs 140 pounds. It would be nice moving 40
pounds rather that that behemoth.

--
Email - rsgibson@verizon.borg
Replace borg with net

Ron Gibson · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 31

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:29:46 +0000, Flycoon wrote:

> I have had it for a year and a half, the picture is far superior to
> BarfHouse and they have employees rather than subs doing the installs. the

Yeah but they still have some dumb asses in billing and setup.

For example - Requires XP or higher.

....My thoughts, XP what is that? All I have is Linux, a Unix derivative
that lierally runs the internet.

After hours of arguing with them finally they send out a guy with a
laptop to solve any activation issues.

Think about how stupid "Requires..." is for a minute.

Billing - It's split into the ISP division and the TV departments. Four
months in a row they applied my buddy's payment to the ISP division
only. One day he came on and the TV signal was gone but the ISP was up.
He's spent probably 20 hours over this and it still isn't straight.

I prefer to go with ADSL and SAT. BTW, Comcast is rolling out a new
cable protocol that will smoke FIOS, 160MBs connections...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/01/08/ces.comcast.ap/

Quoted...

"Roberts is expected to demonstrate a technology that delivers up to 160
megabits of data per second: It will allow him to download a
high-definition copy of "Batman Begins" in four minutes. The technology,
DOCSIS 3.0, will start rolling out this year.

"If it's as successful as we hope, in 2009 and beyond we will have it
available in millions of homes," he said.

Robert hopes the speed-up will boost growth of Comcast's broadband
service, which has been slowing.

Cable systems largely enable download speeds up to 10 Mbps -- compared
with up to 50 Mbps from Verizon's fiber-optic service FiOS."

--
Email - rsgibson@verizon.borg
Replace borg with net

chuck · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 13

FWIW...
A couple of points about Satellite Television...not sure about DISH Network
but with Direct TV you need at least a "5LNB" dish (a little larger than the
little 18" jobs) to get HD signal...

Another item to realize with Satellite receivers... if your TV has PIP
(picture in picture) you will need two receiver boxes connected to the set
(there is a monthly fee for each box, I thinks it's $6)...you can set a
broadcast antenna or another device like a DVD player as the signal source
for the second "picture" but you can't get two different channels from the
same (receiver) box at the same time...!

the 32" Vizio mentioned does have PIP...FWIW

"Ron Gibson" wrote in message@verizon.net...
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:31:30 +0000, Flycoon wrote:
>
> > But I am waiting a year till the Vizio's drop a bit
> >> more, & hopefully have 120Hz refresh.Projections I just saw are that by
> >> the end of 2008, a 37" LCD will not cost much more than a 32" now.
>
> > Read CNET's Vizio reviews.
>
> I just did. Question. If HDMI connects converter box directly to TV for
> *both* audio and video I hope they have audio out so I can connect to my
> A/V receiver.
>
> Oh I see this unit does...
>
> http://www.vizio.com/products/detail.aspx?pid=18
>
> Retailing now for $600. Not bad and they will get cheaper. Looking at
> the outputs and inputs it appears to have all I need.
>
> Question - If...
>
> Supported TV Formats
> 1080i, 720p, 720i, 480p, 480i
>
> And...
>
> Integrated television tuner - enjoy high definition and regular
> television programs with or without paid high definition service.
>
> Why couldn't you just plug this into a regular analog signal source and
> start using it? That would be good for me because I have to and prefer
> to do this one step at a time. Also as of now I pretty much have decided
> to go to a SAT setup. But I really really prefer to do this one step at
> a time.
>
> BTW, my old 32" RCA CRT weighs 140 pounds. It would be nice moving 40
> pounds rather that that behemoth.
>
>
>
> --
> Email - rsgibson@verizon.borg
> Replace borg with net
>

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