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Rast · Joined: 28 Aug 2007 Posts: 20

Jim, please explain to the newsgroup why you think Jim Zorn is a better
choice for the next head coach of our Washington Redskins than Greg
Williams would have been.

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DOUGLASS · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 47

"Rast" wrote in message @pnews.dmv.com...
>
> Jim, please explain to the newsgroup why you think Jim Zorn is a better
> choice for the next head coach of our Washington Redskins than Greg
> Williams would have been.
>
>
> --
> For socialism is not merely the labour question, it is before all things
> the atheistic question, the question of the form taken by atheism to-day,
> the question of the tower of Babel built without God, not to mount to
> heaven from earth but to set up heaven on earth. - Dostoevsky

I honestly dont think Williams has what it takes to be an effective head
coach even Norv had a better record than him that says alot.

I think he was still the front runner when he was released but because he
wanted to be released lost that front runner status.

I think a good look at him as head coach would be 2006 when Gibbs let his
coordinaters run the show for most of teh season then took the power back
late in the season.

ldnayman · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 45

On Feb 9, 8:46 pm, Rast wrote:
> Jim, please explain to the newsgroup why you think Jim Zorn is a better
> choice for the next head coach of our Washington Redskins than Greg
> Williams would have been.

Since I'm just like Carr, I'll field this one.

Williams has alot of qualities you do NOT want in a head coach. For me
the main issue is that he holds grudges - puts people in the doghouse
and they are never to be heard from again. He also has that
undesirable "spurrier-like" quality - he thinks it's his "system" that
is pure genius, and the players aren't really that important. Results
in things like sending Antonio Pierce packing- as much as people want
to hang that on Snyder it was a Williams move all around.

His Bills coaching record wasn't too stellar either, though people
like bellichek have proven this isn't always a deal-breaker.

Williams was pretty hard to get excited about, and the whole
"continuity" thing is real over-rated. The players will like any coach
who works well with them. I'm also happy to see an Offensive minded
coach get the job - the Offense for the Skins has been pretty terrible
for the entire decade.

Zorn - why the hell not?

Valjean · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 86

HIS grandmother's wagon--did *it* have wheels, though...

"ldnayman" wrote in message @u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 9, 8:46 pm, Rast wrote:
> Jim, please explain to the newsgroup why you think Jim Zorn is a better
> choice for the next head coach of our Washington Redskins than Greg
> Williams would have been.

Since I'm just like Carr, I'll field this one.

Williams has alot of qualities you do NOT want in a head coach. For me
the main issue is that he holds grudges - puts people in the doghouse
and they are never to be heard from again. He also has that
undesirable "spurrier-like" quality - he thinks it's his "system" that
is pure genius, and the players aren't really that important. Results
in things like sending Antonio Pierce packing- as much as people want
to hang that on Snyder it was a Williams move all around.

His Bills coaching record wasn't too stellar either, though people
like bellichek have proven this isn't always a deal-breaker.

Williams was pretty hard to get excited about, and the whole
"continuity" thing is real over-rated. The players will like any coach
who works well with them. I'm also happy to see an Offensive minded
coach get the job - the Offense for the Skins has been pretty terrible
for the entire decade.

Zorn - why the hell not?

Jim Carr · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 111

Rast wrote:
> Jim, please explain to the newsgroup why you think Jim Zorn is a better
> choice for the next head coach of our Washington Redskins than Greg
> Williams would have been.

Why are you asking me? I've already explained that I don't think
Williams is head coach material. He's simply not among people that I
would consider for a HC job, so it's not a matter of him being better
worse than another candidate - he's just not a candidate. I'm not going
to outline why yet again.

As for Zorn, I don't know dick about the guy personally. Zorn has been
to the big dance. He worked under Holmgren for seven years. He seems to
have his head screwed on straight.

I do know that Snyder did not bring in some big name, flashy, "look at
me! look at me!" guy to be coach. But I'm sure he'll get bashed for
*this* decision.

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John Kulp · Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 134

On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 19:49:57 -0800 (PST), ldnayman
wrote:

>On Feb 9, 8:46=A0pm, Rast wrote:
>> Jim, please explain to the newsgroup why you think Jim Zorn is a better
>> choice for the next head coach of our Washington Redskins than Greg
>> Williams would have been.
>
>Since I'm just like Carr, I'll field this one.

You're right about that.

>
>Williams has alot of qualities you do NOT want in a head coach. For me
>the main issue is that he holds grudges - puts people in the doghouse
>and they are never to be heard from again. He also has that
>undesirable "spurrier-like" quality - he thinks it's his "system" that
>is pure genius, and the players aren't really that important. Results
>in things like sending Antonio Pierce packing- as much as people want
>to hang that on Snyder it was a Williams move all around.

Yeah, and like consistently have one of the best defenses in NFL year
in and year out to show him that his system doesn't work. That's why
the Jags grabbed him, he's so incompetent. Like drafting Sean Taylor
who turned out to be a world class bust. Like letting Arrington go
who had no concept of playing within a system at all. Pierce is the
only valid thing you said, which is just meeting the law of averages.

>
>His Bills coaching record wasn't too stellar either, though people
>like bellichek have proven this isn't always a deal-breaker.

Which shows it means nothing doesn't it?

>
>Williams was pretty hard to get excited about, and the whole
>"continuity" thing is real over-rated. The players will like any coach
>who works well with them. I'm also happy to see an Offensive minded
>coach get the job - the Offense for the Skins has been pretty terrible
>for the entire decade.

Yeah go get a coach that won't work with them. That will work. So
you admit the William's defense was fine then huh?

>
>Zorn - why the hell not?

He may well work out but that has nothing to do with your "analysis"
here. The same as Gibbs did.

deep · Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 11

"Jim Carr" wrote in message $Wt7.18715@newsfe14.phx...
> Rast wrote:
>> Jim, please explain to the newsgroup why you think Jim Zorn is a better
>> choice for the next head coach of our Washington Redskins than Greg
>> Williams would have been.
>
> Why are you asking me? I've already explained that I don't think Williams
> is head coach material. He's simply not among people that I would consider
> for a HC job, so it's not a matter of him being better worse than another
> candidate - he's just not a candidate. I'm not going to outline why yet
> again.
>
> As for Zorn, I don't know dick about the guy personally. Zorn has been to
> the big dance. He worked under Holmgren for seven years. He seems to have
> his head screwed on straight.
>
> I do know that Snyder did not bring in some big name, flashy, "look at me!
> look at me!" guy to be coach. But I'm sure he'll get bashed for *this*
> decision.
>
Well, he technically couldn't.....because they all dropped out of the
running

Jim Carr · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 111

deep wrote:

> Well, he technically couldn't.....because they all dropped out of the
> running

Who dropped out of the running?

Mora? He'd have been insane to give up that deal.

Spags? He was just a person of interested.

Who else?

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- Anonymous

The King Of All Newsgroup · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 26

On Feb 9, 10:49 pm, ldnayman wrote:
Williams has alot of qualities you do NOT want in a head coach. For me
the main issue is that he holds grudges - puts people in the doghouse
and they are never to be heard from again.

reply:
Some of the most successful in the history of the NFL have the same
attribute. While I agree with your characterization of the coach, I
would remind you about the only succesful part of the team for 3 of
the 4 years, was, his defense.

ldnayman
He also has that undesirable "spurrier-like" quality - he thinks it's
his "system" that
> is pure genius, and the players aren't really that important.

reply:
That's unsubstantiated and cannot be proven. He has had interviews on
redskins.com where he has said the direct opposite.

ldnayman
> His Bills coaching record wasn't too stellar either, though people like bellichek have proven this isn't always a deal-breaker.

reply:
Here we go again. Does anybody ever take the time to research the
reasons why his Bills tenure was unsuccessful? First of all, it was
only 3 years, 3 years of "cap hell", and his first head coaching job.
Is he not allowed to learn from that? He was good to the Redskins by
refusing to interview for several head coaching jobs after his first
two seasons.

ldnayman
The players will like any coach who works well with them.

reply:
So why does Zorn work well with them? Or we just assume he will and
Williams won't (even though the players publicly wanted GW)

John Kulp · Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 134

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:53:19 -0800 (PST), The King Of All Newsgroups
wrote:

>On Feb 9, 10:49=A0pm, ldnayman wrote:
>Williams has alot of qualities you do NOT want in a head coach. For me
>the main issue is that he holds grudges - puts people in the doghouse
>and they are never to be heard from again.
>
>reply:
>Some of the most successful in the history of the NFL have the same
>attribute. While I agree with your characterization of the coach, I
>would remind you about the only succesful part of the team for 3 of
>the 4 years, was, his defense.

Yup. Get on the wrong side of Parcells and see what happens.

>
>ldnayman
>He also has that undesirable "spurrier-like" quality - he thinks it's
>his "system" that
>> is pure genius, and the players aren't really that important.
>
>reply:
>That's unsubstantiated and cannot be proven. He has had interviews on
>redskins.com where he has said the direct opposite.

But it can certainly be unproven. He switched almost completely for a
blitzing style defense to a deep cover one. This went right over
Idnayman's head of course. There was only a ton written about this
last season.

>
>ldnayman
>> His Bills coaching record wasn't too stellar either, though people like be=
>llichek have proven this isn't always a deal-breaker.
>
>reply:
>Here we go again. Does anybody ever take the time to research the
>reasons why his Bills tenure was unsuccessful? First of all, it was
>only 3 years, 3 years of "cap hell", and his first head coaching job.
>Is he not allowed to learn from that? He was good to the Redskins by
>refusing to interview for several head coaching jobs after his first
>two seasons.

Yes he did and look what Snyder did for (to) him in return. Guess
what that would do to anyone thinking about the HC job.

>
>ldnayman
>The players will like any coach who works well with them.
>
>reply:
>So why does Zorn work well with them? Or we just assume he will and
>Williams won't (even though the players publicly wanted GW)

Some people that have had no clue about what went on would.

mrjl · Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 15

On Feb 10, 1:47 am, john_k...@hotmail.com (John Kulp) wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 19:49:57 -0800 (PST), ldnayman
> wrote:
>
> >On Feb 9, 8:46=A0pm, Rast wrote:
> >> Jim, please explain to the newsgroup why you think Jim Zorn is a better
> >> choice for the next head coach of our Washington Redskins than Greg
> >> Williams would have been.
>
> >Since I'm just like Carr, I'll field this one.
>
> You're right about that.
>
>
>
> >Williams has alot of qualities you do NOT want in a head coach. For me
> >the main issue is that he holds grudges - puts people in the doghouse
> >and they are never to be heard from again. He also has that
> >undesirable "spurrier-like" quality - he thinks it's his "system" that
> >is pure genius, and the players aren't really that important. Results
> >in things like sending Antonio Pierce packing- as much as people want
> >to hang that on Snyder it was a Williams move all around.
>
> Yeah, and like consistently have one of the best defenses in NFL year
> in and year out to show him that his system doesn't work. That's why
> the Jags grabbed him, he's so incompetent. Like drafting Sean Taylor
> who turned out to be a world class bust. Like letting Arrington go
> who had no concept of playing within a system at all. Pierce is the
> only valid thing you said, which is just meeting the law of averages.

Being a good coordinator does not mean you'll be a good head coach.

Hell, maybe Snydor was put in mind of the Petibon situation when Gibbs
left the first time.

JLB

DOUGLASS · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 47

"The King Of All Newsgroups" wrote in
message @b2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 9, 10:49 pm, ldnayman wrote:
Williams has alot of qualities you do NOT want in a head coach. For me
the main issue is that he holds grudges - puts people in the doghouse
and they are never to be heard from again.

reply:
Some of the most successful in the history of the NFL have the same
attribute. While I agree with your characterization of the coach, I
would remind you about the only succesful part of the team for 3 of
the 4 years, was, his defense.

ldnayman
He also has that undesirable "spurrier-like" quality - he thinks it's
his "system" that
> is pure genius, and the players aren't really that important.

reply:
That's unsubstantiated and cannot be proven. He has had interviews on
redskins.com where he has said the direct opposite.

ldnayman
> His Bills coaching record wasn't too stellar either, though people like
> bellichek have proven this isn't always a deal-breaker.

reply:
Here we go again. Does anybody ever take the time to research the
reasons why his Bills tenure was unsuccessful? First of all, it was
only 3 years, 3 years of "cap hell", and his first head coaching job.
Is he not allowed to learn from that? He was good to the Redskins by
refusing to interview for several head coaching jobs after his first
two seasons.

ldnayman
The players will like any coach who works well with them.

reply:
So why does Zorn work well with them? Or we just assume he will and
Williams won't (even though the players publicly wanted GW)

Do you listen to the players? if the players wanted Rich Kotite do you
listen to them?

Williams said repeatedly his sytem can replace the players and still be
productive he was unwilling to change hus first year with the smoke and
mirrors his defense were good but after that they were decent teams figured
out his defense

when it was 3rd and game and the skins needed a stop on defense it rarely
happened.

when AP and Smoot left Snyder asked Williams about them both Williams reply
to snyder was they are replaceable. yet you will be the first one to blame
sbyder for letting them go.

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