Paging Mr. Cottrell

Swillabrew · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 18

Is there any hope that Teddy noticed how the Giants beat NE?

They came after Brady on EVERY FREAKING PLAY! OK, they might have dropped 7
guys into coverage a couple times, but by & large they rushed Brady
relentlessly & it worked. IMO, if we had done the same thing a few weeks
ago, we could have been playing yesterday.

Please Ted, learn the lesson & next year let's release those hounds.

Go Bolts !

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Michael A. Vickers · Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 53

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:49:32 -0800 dontspam@any.net said:

>They came after Brady on EVERY FREAKING PLAY! OK, they might have dropped 7
>guys into coverage a couple times, but by & large they rushed Brady
>relentlessly & it worked. IMO, if we had done the same thing a few weeks
>ago, we could have been playing yesterday.

I think it was (much) more about the offense two weeks ago than it was
about the defense. We couldn't get into the end zone.

Michael

Ragnarok73 · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 18

"Michael A. Vickers" wrote in message @news.snet.sbcglobal.net...
> On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:49:32 -0800 dontspam@any.net said:
>
>>They came after Brady on EVERY FREAKING PLAY! OK, they might have dropped
>>7
>>guys into coverage a couple times, but by & large they rushed Brady
>>relentlessly & it worked. IMO, if we had done the same thing a few weeks
>>ago, we could have been playing yesterday.
>
> I think it was (much) more about the offense two weeks ago than it was
> about the defense. We couldn't get into the end zone.

How much of a high-scoring game was the Super Bowl? Defense wins
championships, not offense- just ask the Raverns.

Rene Garcia · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 22

"Swillabrew" wrote in message @scnresearch.com...
> Is there any hope that Teddy noticed how the Giants beat NE?
>
> They came after Brady on EVERY FREAKING PLAY! OK, they might have dropped
> 7 guys into coverage a couple times, but by & large they rushed Brady
> relentlessly & it worked. IMO, if we had done the same thing a few weeks
> ago, we could have been playing yesterday.
>
> Please Ted, learn the lesson & next year let's release those hounds.
>
> Go Bolts !
>

I'm just starting to wonder if maybe our D line isn't as good as we thought.
We need to blitz to get pressure and the Giants don't. Their front 4 are
very good at getting after the QB.

Michael A. Vickers · Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 53

On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:09:52 GMT ryoga73@telus.net said:
>"Michael A. Vickers" wrote in message

>>I think it was (much) more about the offense two weeks ago than it was
>>about the defense. We couldn't get into the end zone.

>How much of a high-scoring game was the Super Bowl? Defense wins
>championships, not offense- just ask the Raverns.

I didn't say anything about a high scoring game or which side of the line
of scrimmage wins games on a general basis.

If we did two weeks ago what the Giants did last night we still lose. Four
field goals does not cut it.

Michael

PBDepot · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 47

On Feb 4, 11:18 am, "Rene Garcia" wrote:
>
> I'm just starting to wonder if maybe our D line isn't as good as we thought.
> We need to blitz to get pressure and the Giants don't. Their front 4 are
> very good at getting after the QB.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Well in all fairness to our guys, there *is* no other D-line in the
league that can get push into the backfield like the Giants can.
That's why they led the league in sacks this year and were second
aginst the run after TEN.

Randall Turner · Joined: 09 Dec 2007 Posts: 48

"Rene Garcia" wrote in message $0w.2651@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Swillabrew" wrote in message
> @scnresearch.com...
>> Is there any hope that Teddy noticed how the Giants beat NE?
>>
>> They came after Brady on EVERY FREAKING PLAY! OK, they might have
>> dropped 7 guys into coverage a couple times, but by & large they rushed
>> Brady relentlessly & it worked. IMO, if we had done the same thing a few
>> weeks ago, we could have been playing yesterday.
>>
>> Please Ted, learn the lesson & next year let's release those hounds.
>>
>> Go Bolts !
>>
>
> I'm just starting to wonder if maybe our D line isn't as good as we
> thought. We need to blitz to get pressure and the Giants don't. Their
> front 4 are very good at getting after the QB.

Bingo.

Their defensive coordinator says they called blitzes on only 30-35% of the
plays.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2008/02/04/the_pressure_no_doubt_got_to_them/

---------- excerpt ---------------
The Giants' pressure was crucial, as defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo
estimated he called blitzes 30-35 percent of the time. If Spagnuolo's
estimate is on the mark, that meant two out of every three plays were
standard four-man rushes, an indication the Giants didn't necessarily win
because of scheme, but more because they won more individual matchups.

"It never really comes down to scheme," Spagnuolo said. "It always comes to
players, and our guys were ready to play. They had tremendous confidence in
what we were doing and believed in some way, they could somehow get to him.
And they did that. I have to give credit to our four guys up front. We hung
our hat on those guys all year long and we did it again."

---------- end, excerpt -------------

Basically, if you can get to the QB by beating your matchup, everything
works. Blitzes work better, too.

Robin Miller · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 85

"PBDepot" wrote in message @e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 4, 11:18 am, "Rene Garcia" wrote:
>
>>m just starting to wonder if maybe our D line isn't as good as we thought.
>>We need to blitz to get pressure and the Giants don't. Their front 4 are
>>very good at getting after the QB.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Well in all fairness to our guys, there *is* no other D-line in the
>league that can get push into the backfield like the Giants can.
>That's why they led the league in sacks this year and were second
>aginst the run after TEN.

The Chargers' biggest weakness on defense may be the lack of an inside pass
rush. The rush the Chargers do get is almost always around the outside. Even
their ILB blitzes were never terribly successful. I was never really sure
why Cooper didn't have more of an effect in that sense. The Giants, on the
other hand, had two DTs who were pressing the Pats' O-line all game
long--plus they had the outside rush. It was very impressive.

--Robin

PBDepot · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 47

On Feb 4, 6:48 pm, "Robin Miller" wrote:
> "PBDepot" wrote in message
>
> @e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 4, 11:18 am, "Rene Garcia" wrote:
>
> >>m just starting to wonder if maybe our D line isn't as good as we thought.
> >>We need to blitz to get pressure and the Giants don't. Their front 4 are
> >>very good at getting after the QB.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> >Well in all fairness to our guys, there *is* no other D-line in the
> >league that can get push into the backfield like the Giants can.
> >That's why they led the league in sacks this year and were second
> >aginst the run after TEN.
>
> The Chargers' biggest weakness on defense may be the lack of an inside pass
> rush. The rush the Chargers do get is almost always around the outside. Even
> their ILB blitzes were never terribly successful. I was never really sure
> why Cooper didn't have more of an effect in that sense. The Giants, on the
> other hand, had two DTs who were pressing the Pats' O-line all game
> long--plus they had the outside rush. It was very impressive.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yeah, it was truly incredible. Especially doing it against maybe the
best O-line in the league.

As for the Chargers, it's a pretty tricky situation to try and analyze
with the way our team was so up and down this season. I think we get
better push up the middle when Castillo is healthy, but how often is
that? Maybe a few games a year? And the blitzing... some of that falls
on Cotrell's head, and some on the D-line's, but in the end I think
our ILB's just aren't suited for it. Like our OLB's they are pretty
decent at defending the pass, so blitzing Safeties and CB's like
Weddle or whoever replaces DrayFlo seems like the smart move instead.
Though I don't know why Cotrell just didn't do more of that this year
in the first place.

Tweekgeek · Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 1

Why hasn't everybody noticed how Jamal Williams was a shell of his former
self for the last half of the season?????

He's not going to Hawaii cause of his ankle, still...

I just hope he can fully recover and get back to what he has been capable
of...

"Robin Miller" wrote in message $fl7.41@newsfe06.lga...
>
> "PBDepot" wrote in message
> @e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 4, 11:18 am, "Rene Garcia" wrote:
>>
>>>m just starting to wonder if maybe our D line isn't as good as we
>>>thought.
>>>We need to blitz to get pressure and the Giants don't. Their front 4 are
>>>very good at getting after the QB.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>Well in all fairness to our guys, there *is* no other D-line in the
>>league that can get push into the backfield like the Giants can.
>>That's why they led the league in sacks this year and were second
>>aginst the run after TEN.
>
>
> The Chargers' biggest weakness on defense may be the lack of an inside
> pass rush. The rush the Chargers do get is almost always around the
> outside. Even their ILB blitzes were never terribly successful. I was
> never really sure why Cooper didn't have more of an effect in that sense.
> The Giants, on the other hand, had two DTs who were pressing the Pats'
> O-line all game long--plus they had the outside rush. It was very
> impressive.
>
> --Robin
>
>
>

PBDepot · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 47

On Feb 4, 8:27 pm, "Tweekgeek" wrote:
> Why hasn't everybody noticed how Jamal Williams was a shell of his former
> self for the last half of the season?????
>
> He's not going to Hawaii cause of his ankle, still...
>
> I just hope he can fully recover and get back to what he has been capable
> of...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Oh, we noticed. But like you, we don't know if it's time to give up on
him or not just yet. Only time will tell with this one.

Ragnarok73 · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 18

"Michael A. Vickers" wrote in message @news.snet.sbcglobal.net...
> I didn't say anything about a high scoring game or which side of the line
> of scrimmage wins games on a general basis.
>
> If we did two weeks ago what the Giants did last night we still lose. Four
> field goals does not cut it.

Maybe, but if we did what the Giants did last night, the Pats might not
have gotten 3 TD's on the Bolts. They certainly wouldn't have gotten that
2nd TD if the Bolts' front seven could have knocked Brady on his ass.

Ragnarok73 · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 18

"Robin Miller" wrote in message $fl7.41@newsfe06.lga...
> The Chargers' biggest weakness on defense may be the lack of an inside
> pass rush. The rush the Chargers do get is almost always around the
> outside. Even their ILB blitzes were never terribly successful. I was
> never really sure why Cooper didn't have more of an effect in that sense.
> The Giants, on the other hand, had two DTs who were pressing the Pats'
> O-line all game long--plus they had the outside rush. It was very
> impressive.

I've seen nothing in Cooper or Wilhelm in the past year to make me think
that they were anything other than a pure downgrade from Godfrey and
Edwards. I really hope A.J. can find a way to plug that hole in the coming
draft.

bol · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 28

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 20:27:41 -0800, "Tweekgeek"
wrote:

>Why hasn't everybody noticed how Jamal Williams was a shell of his former
>self for the last half of the season?????
>
>He's not going to Hawaii cause of his ankle, still...
>
>I just hope he can fully recover and get back to what he has been capable
>of...
>
>

Um, we have. Read some posts would ya? Smile

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