Pass Interference

Chaos · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 8

Was Spikes blatant push of Rudi in the back on his interception a pass
interference worthy call? He clearly shoved him in the back - but not sure
if the call should have gone one way or the other.

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Darren · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 14

from Bengals.com...

But Kitna and Johnson claimed that Spikes, the former Bengals
linebacker, committed interference on the killing play, the 62-yard
touchdown on the fourth play of the second quarter that gave Buffalo a
21-7 lead. Spikes admitted to pushing down Johnson, Kitna's intended
receiver ( "Rudi didn't feel me behind him"), and he could push because
anything goes in the backfield. Kitna got flushed out of the pocket by
tackle Pat Williams, and then tried to throw the screen pass across the
field. Spikes ended up the only one standing at the spot, and the only
seemingly running down the field of his old haunt.
Once he reached the end zone, he chucked the ball at the wall and raised
his arms to the stunned crowd to celebrate his second interception
return of the season.
""It was a screen play, sort of like the Miami play I picked off and
took back for a TD," Spikes said. "A lineman tried to cut me and I got
around him and saw Rudi. He had his back to me. Kitna tried to throw it
... shoot, right before he threw it, Rudi didn't feel me behind him. I
pushed Rudi down and when I pushed him, I said, 'It's in the air. It
came so quick, I just caught it and said, Man, I'm off to the races.''

D n BullDurham

Chaos · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 8

I wondered how it would play with Rudi sort of at the line of scrimmage.

"Darren" wrote in message@storefull-3337.bay.webtv.net...
|
| from Bengals.com...
|
| But Kitna and Johnson claimed that Spikes, the former Bengals
| linebacker, committed interference on the killing play, the 62-yard
| touchdown on the fourth play of the second quarter that gave Buffalo a
| 21-7 lead. Spikes admitted to pushing down Johnson, Kitna's intended
| receiver ( "Rudi didn't feel me behind him"), and he could push because
| anything goes in the backfield. Kitna got flushed out of the pocket by
| tackle Pat Williams, and then tried to throw the screen pass across the
| field. Spikes ended up the only one standing at the spot, and the only
| seemingly running down the field of his old haunt.
| Once he reached the end zone, he chucked the ball at the wall and raised
| his arms to the stunned crowd to celebrate his second interception
| return of the season.
| ""It was a screen play, sort of like the Miami play I picked off and
| took back for a TD," Spikes said. "A lineman tried to cut me and I got
| around him and saw Rudi. He had his back to me. Kitna tried to throw it
| .. shoot, right before he threw it, Rudi didn't feel me behind him. I
| pushed Rudi down and when I pushed him, I said, 'It's in the air. It
| came so quick, I just caught it and said, Man, I'm off to the races.''
|
| D n BullDurham
|

bp · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 5

"Darren" wrote in message @storefull-3337.bay.webtv.net...
>
> from Bengals.com...
>
> But Kitna and Johnson claimed that Spikes, the former Bengals
> linebacker, committed interference on the killing play, the 62-yard
> touchdown on the fourth play of the second quarter that gave Buffalo a
> 21-7 lead. Spikes admitted to pushing down Johnson, Kitna's intended
> receiver ( "Rudi didn't feel me behind him"), and he could push because
> anything goes in the backfield. Kitna got flushed out of the pocket by
> tackle Pat Williams, and then tried to throw the screen pass across the
> field. Spikes ended up the only one standing at the spot, and the only
> seemingly running down the field of his old haunt.
> Once he reached the end zone, he chucked the ball at the wall and raised
> his arms to the stunned crowd to celebrate his second interception
> return of the season.
> ""It was a screen play, sort of like the Miami play I picked off and
> took back for a TD," Spikes said. "A lineman tried to cut me and I got
> around him and saw Rudi. He had his back to me. Kitna tried to throw it
> .. shoot, right before he threw it, Rudi didn't feel me behind him. I
> pushed Rudi down and when I pushed him, I said, 'It's in the air. It
> came so quick, I just caught it and said, Man, I'm off to the races.''

Screen behind the LOS or not, you can't take a receiver out if it's a
forward pass. Only if the ball has been tipped or it's a lateral.

I like this quote:

"I feel for a lot of the guys who were there with me," Spikes said. "It's
tough, man. It's tough."

Someone please remind me of all the success the Bills have had since TKO
joined them.

Mori · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

>
> Someone please remind me of all the success the Bills have had since
> TKO joined them.
>

They had a winning season and what appears to be a second one.

bp · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 5

"Mori" wrote in message @216.196.97.142...
>>
>> Someone please remind me of all the success the Bills have had since
>> TKO joined them.
>>
>
> They had a winning season and what appears to be a second one.

Standards in Buffalo must have significantly declined if 6-10 is considered
a winning season.

Greg F · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

"bp" wrote in message @individual.net...

> Screen behind the LOS or not, you can't take a receiver out if it's a
> forward pass. Only if the ball has been tipped or it's a lateral.

The rules say otherwise.

http://www.nfl.com/fans/rules/passinterference

" Note 4: There can be no pass interference at or behind the line of
scrimmage ..."

Michael Lawson · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 7

"Mori" wrote in message@216.196.97.142...
> >
> > Someone please remind me of all the success the Bills have had
since
> > TKO joined them.
> >
>
> They had a winning season and what appears to be a second one.

No, TKO didn't join until last year.

--Mike L.

Michael Lawson · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 7

"Greg F" wrote in message$DQ3.19461@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>
> "bp" wrote in message@individual.net...
>
> > Screen behind the LOS or not, you can't take a receiver out if
it's a
> > forward pass. Only if the ball has been tipped or it's a lateral.
>
> The rules say otherwise.
>
> http://www.nfl.com/fans/rules/passinterference
>
> " Note 4: There can be no pass interference at or behind the line of
> scrimmage ..."

So on screens, there is no such thing as a pass interference?
DAMN!! Well, let's go cream a few RB's, then.

--Mike L.

bp · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 5

"Michael Lawson" wrote in message$FE.3828@fe37.usenetserver.com...
>
> "Greg F" wrote in message
> $DQ3.19461@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>>
>> "bp" wrote in message
> @individual.net...
>>
>> > Screen behind the LOS or not, you can't take a receiver out if
> it's a
>> > forward pass. Only if the ball has been tipped or it's a lateral.
>>
>> The rules say otherwise.
>>
>> http://www.nfl.com/fans/rules/passinterference
>>
>> " Note 4: There can be no pass interference at or behind the line of
>> scrimmage ..."
>
> So on screens, there is no such thing as a pass interference?
> DAMN!! Well, let's go cream a few RB's, then.

I obviously wasn't aware of that either. Learn something new every day.
However, Note 4 in its entirety reads:

"There can be no pass interference at or behind the line of scrimmage, but
defensive actions such as tackling a receiver can still result in a 5-yard
penalty for defensive holding, if accepted. "

So behind the LOS is not open season on eligible receivers. The rule makes
sense in that you can't penalize a defender for engaging a back or TE that
stays in to pass protect. In any case, it should have been a penalty on
Spikes.

Locutus · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 3

"bp" wrote in message @individual.net...
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> "Michael Lawson" wrote in message
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>> "Greg F" wrote in message
>> $DQ3.19461@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>>>
>>> "bp" wrote in message
>> @individual.net...
>>>
>>> > Screen behind the LOS or not, you can't take a receiver out if
>> it's a
>>> > forward pass. Only if the ball has been tipped or it's a lateral.
>>>
>>> The rules say otherwise.
>>>
>>> http://www.nfl.com/fans/rules/passinterference
>>>
>>> " Note 4: There can be no pass interference at or behind the line of
>>> scrimmage ..."
>>
>> So on screens, there is no such thing as a pass interference?
>> DAMN!! Well, let's go cream a few RB's, then.
>
> I obviously wasn't aware of that either. Learn something new every day.
> However, Note 4 in its entirety reads:
>
> "There can be no pass interference at or behind the line of scrimmage, but
> defensive actions such as tackling a receiver can still result in a 5-yard
> penalty for defensive holding, if accepted. "
>
> So behind the LOS is not open season on eligible receivers. The rule
> makes sense in that you can't penalize a defender for engaging a back or
> TE that stays in to pass protect. In any case, it should have been a
> penalty on Spikes.
>

That and a PI call behind the LOS would result in negative yardage since the
ball is placed at the spot of the foul. So clearly that interception should
have never have counted. But thems the breaks.

Michael Lawson · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 7

"Locutus" wrote in message@corp.supernews.com...
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> "bp" wrote in message@individual.net...
> >
> > "Michael Lawson" wrote in message
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> >>
> >> "Greg F" wrote in message
> >> $DQ3.19461@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> >>>
> >>> "bp" wrote in message
> >> @individual.net...
> >>>
> >>> > Screen behind the LOS or not, you can't take a receiver out if
> >> it's a
> >>> > forward pass. Only if the ball has been tipped or it's a
lateral.
> >>>
> >>> The rules say otherwise.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.nfl.com/fans/rules/passinterference
> >>>
> >>> " Note 4: There can be no pass interference at or behind the
line of
> >>> scrimmage ..."
> >>
> >> So on screens, there is no such thing as a pass interference?
> >> DAMN!! Well, let's go cream a few RB's, then.
> >
> > I obviously wasn't aware of that either. Learn something new
every day.
> > However, Note 4 in its entirety reads:
> >
> > "There can be no pass interference at or behind the line of
scrimmage, but
> > defensive actions such as tackling a receiver can still result in
a 5-yard
> > penalty for defensive holding, if accepted. "
> >
> > So behind the LOS is not open season on eligible receivers. The
rule
> > makes sense in that you can't penalize a defender for engaging a
back or
> > TE that stays in to pass protect. In any case, it should have
been a
> > penalty on Spikes.
> >
>
> That and a PI call behind the LOS would result in negative yardage
since the
> ball is placed at the spot of the foul. So clearly that interception
should
> have never have counted. But thems the breaks.

Watching one of the games yesterday (can't remember which),
there was a 5 yard facemask on a sack for a 10 yard loss.
The ref said that by rule, the ball gets placed on the original
LOS. So, I'd imagine the same thing applies to this scenario
as well.

--Mike L.

Stebain · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 4

"Michael Lawson" wrote in message$FE.8616@fe37.usenetserver.com...
> >
> Watching one of the games yesterday (can't remember which),
> there was a 5 yard facemask on a sack for a 10 yard loss.
> The ref said that by rule, the ball gets placed on the original
> LOS. So, I'd imagine the same thing applies to this scenario
> as well.
>

That was Powell, in the Bengal game.

Michael Lawson · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 7

"Stebain" wrote in message$LW1.5071@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
>
> "Michael Lawson" wrote in message
> $FE.8616@fe37.usenetserver.com...
> > >
> > Watching one of the games yesterday (can't remember which),
> > there was a 5 yard facemask on a sack for a 10 yard loss.
> > The ref said that by rule, the ball gets placed on the original
> > LOS. So, I'd imagine the same thing applies to this scenario
> > as well.
> >
>
> That was Powell, in the Bengal game.

I thought it was on the Sunday Night game. After a while,
the late games kinda blended together in with the end
of the Bengals game.

--Mike L.

Ray · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

Michael Lawson wrote:
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> "Stebain" wrote in message
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> >
> > "Michael Lawson" wrote in message
> > $FE.8616@fe37.usenetserver.com...
> > > >
> > > Watching one of the games yesterday (can't remember which),
> > > there was a 5 yard facemask on a sack for a 10 yard loss.
> > > The ref said that by rule, the ball gets placed on the original
> > > LOS. So, I'd imagine the same thing applies to this scenario
> > > as well.
> > >
> >
> > That was Powell, in the Bengal game.
>
> I thought it was on the Sunday Night game. After a while,
> the late games kinda blended together in with the end
> of the Bengals game.
>
> --Mike L.

That Sunday Night game was interesting in that Baltimore played a
4-1-6 D in the first half. I couldn't make it to the 2nd half.

Ray

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