Pole

snapp44 · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 15

Again tomorrow, the Tigers will raise a Championship Flag above their
stadium. How many more decades will it take the Lions to do the same?

Dave

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snapp44 · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 15

In article , snapp44 says...
>
>Again tomorrow, the Tigers will raise a Championship Flag above their
>stadium. How many more decades will it take the Lions to do the same?
>
>Dave
>
I know I misspelled POLL, but let me explain how it could have happened.
I was thinking Lions> stink> skunk> pole cat.

Dave

Thomas · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 24

Brian Matthews wrote:
> On 1 Apr 2007 17:28:33 -0700, snapp44
> wrote:
>
>> In article , snapp44 says...
>>> Again tomorrow, the Tigers will raise a Championship Flag above their
>>> stadium. How many more decades will it take the Lions to do the same?
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>> I know I misspelled POLL, but let me explain how it could have happened.
>> I was thinking Lions> stink> skunk> pole cat.
>>
>> Dave
>
> I've been trying to think of a town that has many Championship caliber
> teams. Tigers, Pistons and Wings all have a shot.

Well, Tigers and Pistons anyway.

> New York and most
> west coast teams have an unfair advantage in most sports, many of
> those cities have 2 teams. Detroit is turning into the spots town that
> dominates. Any hope for the Lions to even get into the playoffs?

You never know. I wouldn't be surprised if they won the Super Bowl, but
I also wouldn't be surprised if they ended up with the #2 pick next year.

The only thing the Lions could do that would really surprise me is if
they were tied for the #1 overall pick next year, and actually lost the
game.

-Thomas

wyzbang · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

"Brian Matthews" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:33:31 -0400, Thomas wrote:
>
>>Any hope for the Lions to even get into the playoffs?
>>
>>You never know. I wouldn't be surprised if they won the Super Bowl, but
>>I also wouldn't be surprised if they ended up with the #2 pick next year.
>
>
> There are probably less that a handful of people in the WORLD who
> would say;
>
> "I wouldn't be surprised if they won the Super Bowl"
>
> What the hell are you smoking?
>
> Brian

Here is a little fun trivia for all:

Detroit's own "Brown Bomber," Joe Louis, captured national attention on his
way to the heavyweight championship of the world, and was bolstered when the
Detroit Red Wings won the National Hockey League's Stanley Cup and the
Detroit Lions won the National Football League championship in 1935. The
Detroit Tigers won the American League pennant in 1934 and again in 1935.
And it was the Tigers who made the "City of Champions" title stick by
winning the World Series in 1935, defeating the Chicago Cubs.

I don't think there are any other Cities that have fielded 4 Pro Champions
in the same year.

the rick

Thomas · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 24

Brian Matthews wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:33:31 -0400, Thomas wrote:
>
>>> I've been trying to think of a town that has many Championship caliber
>>> teams. Tigers, Pistons and Wings all have a shot.
>> Well, Tigers and Pistons anyway.
>
>
> 1st step to a championship is making the playoffs.

There's a huge difference between making the playoffs and winning the
whole thing.

> My point was how many cities have had 3 of the 4 major sports make the
> playoffs and have a chance to win a championship? The Wings making the
> playoffs gives them that opportunity.

Not really.

> And they are a top seeded team.

Irrelevant.

-Thomas

Thomas · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 24

Brian Matthews wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:33:31 -0400, Thomas wrote:
>
>> Any hope for the Lions to even get into the playoffs?
>>
>> You never know. I wouldn't be surprised if they won the Super Bowl, but
>> I also wouldn't be surprised if they ended up with the #2 pick next year.
>
>
> There are probably less that a handful of people in the WORLD who
> would say;
>
> "I wouldn't be surprised if they won the Super Bowl"
>
> What the hell are you smoking?

Nothing.

The Saints were one step away from the Super Bowl, and they picked #2
overall last season. It's all about making the right personnel moves.
You can go from a joke to the best team in football literally overnight.

Wouldn't surprise me if they did that.

It would surprise me if the Lions did the smart, logical thing and lost
a game they should lose to get the better pick.

-Thomas

Thomas · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 24

Brian Matthews wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 04:07:55 -0400, Thomas wrote:
>
>> There's a huge difference between making the playoffs and winning the
>> whole thing.
>
> A team has NEVER won a Super Bowl without making the playoffs.

The sky is blue.

What's your point?

Just because you have to make the playoffs to win a Super Bowl doesn't
mean that if you make the playoffs, you are going to win the Super Bowl.

>>> My point was how many cities have had 3 of the 4 major sports make the
>>> playoffs and have a chance to win a championship? The Wings making the
>>> playoffs gives them that opportunity.
>> Not really.
>
> Yes, really.

No. Not really.

> You may be a Colorado fan, but face the facts.

Me being a Colorado fan is entirely irrelevant.

> The Wings
> are a HEAVY favorite to make it deep into the playoffs.

Not really.

You don't know anything at all about hockey, so I am going to go easy on
you here. The national media isn't talking about the Wings winning the
Cup, and for good reason. The Wings are a shallow team with a HUGE
question mark between the pipes. The Wings are also a team that has had
a really tough time making it out of the first or second round in recent
years. The Wings are a much weaker team this year than they were last
year, and the rest of the Western Conference has gotten a lot stronger.

The Wings are where they are in the standings because they play in the
weakest division in hockey. They are not a heavy favorite to do anything
in the playoffs.

This isn't 1998, bud.

>>> And they are a top seeded team.
>> Irrelevant.
>
> Yes, to a point. They lost last year to an 8th seed in the 1st round.
> But to have a 7th and deciding game at home is critical.

Not really.

-Thomas

YooperBoyka · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 9

"Thomas" wrote in message $85i$3@news04.infoave.net...
> Brian Matthews wrote:
>> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:33:31 -0400, Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> Any hope for the Lions to even get into the playoffs?
>>>
>>> You never know. I wouldn't be surprised if they won the Super Bowl, but
>>> I also wouldn't be surprised if they ended up with the #2 pick next
>>> year.
>>
>>
>> There are probably less that a handful of people in the WORLD who
>> would say;
>>
>> "I wouldn't be surprised if they won the Super Bowl"
>>
>> What the hell are you smoking?
>
> Nothing.
>
> The Saints were one step away from the Super Bowl, and they picked #2
> overall last season. It's all about making the right personnel moves. You
> can go from a joke to the best team in football literally overnight.
>
> Wouldn't surprise me if they did that.
>
> It would surprise me if the Lions did the smart, logical thing and lost a
> game they should lose to get the better pick.

Y'know,...I'm beginning to believe Tommy is actually a Vikings fan.
Who else would need to beg the Lions to lose more than they have?

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Thomas · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 24

Brian Matthews wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 04:09:53 -0400, Thomas wrote:
>
>>> What the hell are you smoking?
>> Nothing.
>>
>> The Saints were one step away from the Super Bowl, and they picked #2
>> overall last season. It's all about making the right personnel moves.
>> You can go from a joke to the best team in football literally overnight.
>
>
> But the Lions have had a top pick, going on 6 years.
> Look who's picked before us the last 5 years. Every one of these teams
> has made the playoffs, with only one year of drafting high.
>
> It just shows how bad the Lions drafting has been.

Not really. It shows how badly the team has been run, how poor the
coaching has been, how poorly the Lions have chosen coaches, how poorly
the team has played, and how poorly the team has chosen who to sign in
free agency.

Drafting has only been a part of it, and none of the teams that have
picked higher and gone on to make the playoffs have done so just because
of their draft picks.

-Thomas

Thomas · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 24

Brian Matthews wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:33:31 -0400, Thomas wrote:
>
>> You never know. I wouldn't be surprised if they won the Super Bowl, but
>> I also wouldn't be surprised if they ended up with the #2 pick next year.
>
>
> Well, the schedule has been released and the Lions have the hardest
> schedule in the NFC.

....based on last year's standings, which are completely irrelevant in 2007.

> So it would surprise ME if they made the Super
> Bowl and wouldn't surprise me at all if they were to fight for a top 5
> pick.

....and you'd still be calling for them to win a game that would push
them from 2nd to 9th in the Draft.

-Thomas

YooperBoyka · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 9

"Thomas" wrote in message $lu5$1@news04.infoave.net...
> Brian Matthews wrote:
>> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 04:09:53 -0400, Thomas wrote:
>>
>>>> What the hell are you smoking?
>>> Nothing.
>>>
>>> The Saints were one step away from the Super Bowl, and they picked #2
>>> overall last season. It's all about making the right personnel moves.
>>> You can go from a joke to the best team in football literally overnight.
>>
>>
>> But the Lions have had a top pick, going on 6 years.
>> Look who's picked before us the last 5 years. Every one of these teams
>> has made the playoffs, with only one year of drafting high.
>>
>> It just shows how bad the Lions drafting has been.
>
> Not really. It shows how badly the team has been run, how poor the
> coaching has been, how poorly the Lions have chosen coaches, how poorly
> the team has played, and how poorly the team has chosen who to sign in
> free agency.

You forgot to blame the concessionaires and parking lot attendants.

>
> Drafting has only been a part of it, and none of the teams that have
> picked higher and gone on to make the playoffs have done so just because
> of their draft picks.

So you want it both ways?
The top pick *is* important enough to tank a season ending game
for the Lions,...but it's only a tiny piece of the puzzle of why they've
been losing so consistently.
Got it.
"We NEED to draft higher, but it won't make much difference."

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YooperBoyka · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 9

"Thomas" wrote in message $lu5$2@news04.infoave.net...
> Brian Matthews wrote:
>> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:33:31 -0400, Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> You never know. I wouldn't be surprised if they won the Super Bowl, but
>>> I also wouldn't be surprised if they ended up with the #2 pick next
>>> year.
>>
>>
>> Well, the schedule has been released and the Lions have the hardest
>> schedule in the NFC.
>
> ...based on last year's standings, which are completely irrelevant in
> 2007.

Yes,...completely.
They didn't hear about the NFL no longer being a "keeper league".
Peyton is available now, right?

>
>> So it would surprise ME if they made the Super
>> Bowl and wouldn't surprise me at all if they were to fight for a top 5
>> pick.
>
> ...and you'd still be calling for them to win a game that would push them
> from 2nd to 9th in the Draft.

"2nd to 9th"????
No, the assertion (by you) was that they should lose a game to go
from 2nd to 1st.
Do you recognize yourself in the mirror in the morning,
or is your memory so bad that you have to wear a nametag?

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Thomas · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 24

Brian Matthews wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:59:25 -0400, Thomas wrote:
>
>> Brian Matthews wrote:
>>> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:33:31 -0400, Thomas wrote:
>>>
>>>> You never know. I wouldn't be surprised if they won the Super Bowl, but
>>>> I also wouldn't be surprised if they ended up with the #2 pick next year.
>>>
>>> Well, the schedule has been released and the Lions have the hardest
>>> schedule in the NFC.
>> ...based on last year's standings, which are completely irrelevant in 2007.
>>
>>> So it would surprise ME if they made the Super
>>> Bowl and wouldn't surprise me at all if they were to fight for a top 5
>>> pick.
>> ...and you'd still be calling for them to win a game that would push
>> them from 2nd to 9th in the Draft.
>>
>> -Thomas
>
>
> No, as I've said countless times, I'm against them losing on purpose.
> Not only is it wrong, if they got caught, they could lose their draft
> picks. I consider it stealing, but if you don't have a problem with
> that, I guess that's where our opinions vary.

I have a problem with stealing. I don't have a problem with losing on
purpose to get better draft picks.

There is no parallel between the two. It's smart business. Nothing more
or less.

-Thomas

YooperBoyka · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 9

"Brian Matthews" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:24:57 -0400, "YooperBoyka"
> wrote:
>
>>"2nd to 9th"????
>>No, the assertion (by you) was that they should lose a game to go
>>from 2nd to 1st.
>>Do you recognize yourself in the mirror in the morning,
>>or is your memory so bad that you have to wear a nametag?
>>
>
> Thomas makes this statement every year....lose on purpose to get a
> better pick. He doesn't seem to understand that this is our 6 year in
> a row drafting in the top 10, and it hasn't gotten us anywhere.
> With all the high draft picks we've had, we should be a major force at
> this point. But most of our high picks were busts and several are off
> the team.
>
> How high has New England been drafting? How about the Colts? And yet
> they seem to be a major force very year, along with several other low
> drafting teams.

Shhhhhh!
Don't let facts get in the way!

>
> He's correct when he says there's more to building a winner than
> drafting high. It's just the Lions aren't capable of making a correct
> decision, ever. Our only hope is either fire Millen or Ford sell the
> team. If we had a real owner, who wanted to win, the new owner would
> send Millen packing his first day of ownership.
>
> I wonder if Illitch could afford the Lions? : )

Might be their only hope.
I had fantasies of the Lions moving to Cleveland after Modell
picked up his marbles and slunk away.
Detroit would have had a much better shot at winning a SB with
an expansion franchise.

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YooperBoyka · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 9

"Brian Matthews" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:34:32 -0400, Thomas wrote:
>
>>I have a problem with stealing. I don't have a problem with losing on
>>purpose to get better draft picks.
>
>
> You, sir, have a problem with morals. If you don't think losing on
> purpose is cheating, you're wrong. It's stealing. Stealing is taking
> something that isn't yours or something you haven't earned. And losing
> on purpose fits into that category.

Nevermind that losing intentionally makes one,...um, ...a Loser.

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