Rams-Pats Super Bowl result overturned?

john.vampatella · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 66

From Peter King: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/02/24/combine/index.html

"I spoke over the weekend with former Ram coach Mike Martz about the
allegation that the Patriots videotaped St. Louis' walk through
practice the day before Super Bowl XXXVI. He says the Ram practice
that day consisted of the offense running its red-zone plays at half
speed. The Rams, as it turned out, struggled mightily inside the 20 in
that game. I hear that Martz and other Ram people are privately
talking much tougher, and I think it's possible, if there is tape of
the walk through, the Rams may press the league to have the outcome of
the game overturned."

WHAT!!???

First of all, King is flat-out wrong about the Rams struggling in the
red zone. Look here: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/super/superbowl-xxxvi.htm

They got into the red zone exactly *once* all game long. One time.
And guess what they did? They scored a touchdown. That's right. The
Rams went 1-1 in the red zone scoring a TD. It wasn't easy, and the
Pats did a good job there, but how on earth, if the Pats indeed know
what was coming, did it affect the outcome of the game? I could see
if the Pats stoned them and the Rams lost by 3. But *THE RAMS SCORED
A TOUCHDOWN ON THEIR ONLY TRIP INTO THE RED ZONE*. In fact, the only
other time they even got past the Patriots *30* yard line, THEY ALSO
SCORED A TOUCHDOWN (on the 26-yard Warner-to-Proehl pass late in the
4th quarter). So the only two times they even got to the Patriots
*30*, they scored touchdowns on both occasions.

On what conceivable basis could Martz argue that the outcome of the
game should be overturned?

Good god this is unbelievable.

John

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Orwell · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 26

On Feb 25, 9:36 am, john.vampate...@gmail.com wrote:
> From Peter King: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/02/24/combin...
>
> "I spoke over the weekend with former Ram coach Mike Martz about the
> allegation that the Patriots videotaped St. Louis' walk through
> practice the day before Super Bowl XXXVI. He says the Ram practice
> that day consisted of the offense running its red-zone plays at half
> speed. The Rams, as it turned out, struggled mightily inside the 20 in
> that game. I hear that Martz and other Ram people are privately
> talking much tougher, and I think it's possible, if there is tape of
> the walk through, the Rams may press the league to have the outcome of
> the game overturned."
>
> WHAT!!???
>
> First of all, King is flat-out wrong about the Rams struggling in the
> red zone. Look here: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/super/superbowl-xxxvi.htm
>
> They got into the red zone exactly *once* all game long. One time.
> And guess what they did? They scored a touchdown. That's right. The
> Rams went 1-1 in the red zone scoring a TD. It wasn't easy, and the
> Pats did a good job there, but how on earth, if the Pats indeed know
> what was coming, did it affect the outcome of the game? I could see
> if the Pats stoned them and the Rams lost by 3. But *THE RAMS SCORED
> A TOUCHDOWN ON THEIR ONLY TRIP INTO THE RED ZONE*. In fact, the only
> other time they even got past the Patriots *30* yard line, THEY ALSO
> SCORED A TOUCHDOWN (on the 26-yard Warner-to-Proehl pass late in the
> 4th quarter). So the only two times they even got to the Patriots
> *30*, they scored touchdowns on both occasions.
>
> On what conceivable basis could Martz argue that the outcome of the
> game should be overturned?
>
> Good god this is unbelievable.
>
> John

This is a great case of the media simply bothering to do even the
tiniest bit of research. And for trollers, I am *NOT EXCUSING IT* if
it turns out that there was taping (which I do not believe there is),
just claiming that those who claim that looking at SB36 you can "see
how the Patriots had information they shouldn't have" is total
bullshit.

Also, I notice that King is too much of a pussy to put an e-mail
address on the site..

mrl · Joined: 10 Feb 2008 Posts: 4

On Feb 25, 9:49 am, Orwell wrote:
> On Feb 25, 9:36 am, john.vampate...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > From Peter King: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/02/24/combin...
>
> > "I spoke over the weekend with former Ram coach Mike Martz about the
> > allegation that the Patriots videotaped St. Louis' walk through
> > practice the day before Super Bowl XXXVI. He says the Ram practice
> > that day consisted of the offense running its red-zone plays at half
> > speed. The Rams, as it turned out, struggled mightily inside the 20 in
> > that game. I hear that Martz and other Ram people are privately
> > talking much tougher, and I think it's possible, if there is tape of
> > the walk through, the Rams may press the league to have the outcome of
> > the game overturned."
>
> > WHAT!!???
>
> > First of all, King is flat-out wrong about the Rams struggling in the
> > red zone. Look here: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/super/superbowl-xxxvi.htm
>
> > They got into the red zone exactly *once* all game long. One time.
> > And guess what they did? They scored a touchdown. That's right. The
> > Rams went 1-1 in the red zone scoring a TD. It wasn't easy, and the
> > Pats did a good job there, but how on earth, if the Pats indeed know
> > what was coming, did it affect the outcome of the game? I could see
> > if the Pats stoned them and the Rams lost by 3. But *THE RAMS SCORED
> > A TOUCHDOWN ON THEIR ONLY TRIP INTO THE RED ZONE*. In fact, the only
> > other time they even got past the Patriots *30* yard line, THEY ALSO
> > SCORED A TOUCHDOWN (on the 26-yard Warner-to-Proehl pass late in the
> > 4th quarter). So the only two times they even got to the Patriots
> > *30*, they scored touchdowns on both occasions.
>
> > On what conceivable basis could Martz argue that the outcome of the
> > game should be overturned?
>
> > Good god this is unbelievable.
>
> > John
>
> This is a great case of the media simply bothering to do even the
> tiniest bit of research. And for trollers, I am *NOT EXCUSING IT* if
> it turns out that there was taping (which I do not believe there is),
> just claiming that those who claim that looking at SB36 you can "see
> how the Patriots had information they shouldn't have" is total
> bullshit.
>
> Also, I notice that King is too much of a pussy to put an e-mail
> address on the site..- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Try using the link on this web page:

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/show/9

Electrician · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 29

In article
,
john.vampatella@gmail.com says...
>
if there is tape of the walk through, the Rams may press the league to have
the outcome of the game overturned."
>
>WHAT!!???
>

That's correct.The fair and just penalty for cheating in a sports game is
forfeiture of the game. Bellicheat has already admitted he cheated every year
since being hired as the *'s head coach. That means all wins and perceived
accomplishments are erased. It's already happened in the minds of football
fans everywhere except for you myopic butt cracks in the NE area. Go back to
being what you were before you started cheating - NFL doormats.

MZ · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 199

"Electrician" wrote in message $Hd.2398@trnddc02...
> In article
> ,
> john.vampatella@gmail.com says...
>>
> if there is tape of the walk through, the Rams may press the league to
> have
> the outcome of the game overturned."
>>
>>WHAT!!???
>>
>
> That's correct.The fair and just penalty for cheating in a sports game is
> forfeiture of the game.

Actually, no. NFL rules state that it must be demonstrated that cheating
changed the outcome of the game. Cheating alone isn't enough to overturn a
game. But, of course, if you were commish, you'd undoubtedly CHEAT by
breaking the NFL rules governing forfeiture.

McDuck · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 7

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:36:07 -0800 (PST), john.vampatella@gmail.com
wrote:

>From Peter King: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/02/24/combine/index.html
>
>"I spoke over the weekend with former Ram coach Mike Martz about the
>allegation that the Patriots videotaped St. Louis' walk through
>practice the day before Super Bowl XXXVI. He says the Ram practice
>that day consisted of the offense running its red-zone plays at half
>speed. The Rams, as it turned out, struggled mightily inside the 20 in
>that game. I hear that Martz and other Ram people are privately
>talking much tougher, and I think it's possible, if there is tape of
>the walk through, the Rams may press the league to have the outcome of
>the game overturned."
>
>WHAT!!???
>
>First of all, King is flat-out wrong about the Rams struggling in the
>red zone. Look here: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/super/superbowl-xxxvi.htm
>
>They got into the red zone exactly *once* all game long. One time.
>And guess what they did? They scored a touchdown. That's right. The
>Rams went 1-1 in the red zone scoring a TD. It wasn't easy, and the
>Pats did a good job there, but how on earth, if the Pats indeed know
>what was coming, did it affect the outcome of the game? I could see
>if the Pats stoned them and the Rams lost by 3. But *THE RAMS SCORED
>A TOUCHDOWN ON THEIR ONLY TRIP INTO THE RED ZONE*. In fact, the only
>other time they even got past the Patriots *30* yard line, THEY ALSO
>SCORED A TOUCHDOWN (on the 26-yard Warner-to-Proehl pass late in the
>4th quarter). So the only two times they even got to the Patriots
>*30*, they scored touchdowns on both occasions.
>
>On what conceivable basis could Martz argue that the outcome of the
>game should be overturned?
>
>Good god this is unbelievable.
>
Don't blame Martz. He is quoted in the Detroit sports page as saying
he thought there was nothing to the story about taping the
walk-through.

GoPATS1776 · Joined: 26 Feb 2008 Posts: 1

john.vampatella@gmail.com wrote:

> On what conceivable basis could Martz argue that the outcome of the
> game should be overturned?
>
> Good god this is unbelievable.

I Agree. To think how obvious it is now that our team has cheated to get
where they are is getting downright embarrassing. As patriots fans, we
should all be ashamed. I think we should forfeit these games and take
our names off the Lombardi Trophy. We do not deserve to labeled
champions.

toyou · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 7

On Feb 26, 1:20 am, McDuck wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:36:07 -0800 (PST), john.vampate...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >From Peter King: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/02/24/combin...
>
> >"I spoke over the weekend with former Ram coach Mike Martz about the
> >allegation that the Patriots videotaped St. Louis' walk through
> >practice the day before Super Bowl XXXVI. He says the Ram practice
> >that day consisted of the offense running its red-zone plays at half
> >speed. The Rams, as it turned out, struggled mightily inside the 20 in
> >that game. I hear that Martz and other Ram people are privately
> >talking much tougher, and I think it's possible, if there is tape of
> >the walk through, the Rams may press the league to have the outcome of
> >the game overturned."
>
> >WHAT!!???
>
> >First of all, King is flat-out wrong about the Rams struggling in the
> >red zone. Look here: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/super/superbowl-xxxvi.htm
>
> >They got into the red zone exactly *once* all game long. One time.
> >And guess what they did? They scored a touchdown. That's right. The
> >Rams went 1-1 in the red zone scoring a TD. It wasn't easy, and the
> >Pats did a good job there, but how on earth, if the Pats indeed know
> >what was coming, did it affect the outcome of the game? I could see
> >if the Pats stoned them and the Rams lost by 3. But *THE RAMS SCORED
> >A TOUCHDOWN ON THEIR ONLY TRIP INTO THE RED ZONE*. In fact, the only
> >other time they even got past the Patriots *30* yard line, THEY ALSO
> >SCORED A TOUCHDOWN (on the 26-yard Warner-to-Proehl pass late in the
> >4th quarter). So the only two times they even got to the Patriots
> >*30*, they scored touchdowns on both occasions.
>
> >On what conceivable basis could Martz argue that the outcome of the
> >game should be overturned?
>
> >Good god this is unbelievable.
>
> Don't blame Martz. He is quoted in the Detroit sports page as saying
> he thought there was nothing to the story about taping the
> walk-through.

Martz said it shouldn't have made any difference...but he still wanted
to know if it happened or not.

And Peter King is an ass...he'll write whatever he thinks whether he
has any facts or not.

~ toyou

LP · Joined: 26 Feb 2008 Posts: 5

On Feb 25, 7:36 am, john.vampate...@gmail.com wrote:
> From Peter King: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/02/24/combin...
>
> "I spoke over the weekend with former Ram coach Mike Martz about the
> allegation that the Patriots videotaped St. Louis' walk through
> practice the day before Super Bowl XXXVI. He says the Ram practice
> that day consisted of the offense running its red-zone plays at half
> speed. The Rams, as it turned out, struggled mightily inside the 20 in
> that game. I hear that Martz and other Ram people are privately
> talking much tougher, and I think it's possible, if there is tape of
> the walk through, the Rams may press the league to have the outcome of
> the game overturned."
>
> WHAT!!???
>
> First of all, King is flat-out wrong about the Rams struggling in the
> red zone. Look here: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/super/superbowl-xxxvi.htm
>
> They got into the red zone exactly *once* all game long. One time.
> And guess what they did? They scored a touchdown. That's right. The
> Rams went 1-1 in the red zone scoring a TD. It wasn't easy, and the
> Pats did a good job there, but how on earth, if the Pats indeed know
> what was coming, did it affect the outcome of the game? I could see
> if the Pats stoned them and the Rams lost by 3. But *THE RAMS SCORED
> A TOUCHDOWN ON THEIR ONLY TRIP INTO THE RED ZONE*. In fact, the only
> other time they even got past the Patriots *30* yard line, THEY ALSO
> SCORED A TOUCHDOWN (on the 26-yard Warner-to-Proehl pass late in the
> 4th quarter). So the only two times they even got to the Patriots
> *30*, they scored touchdowns on both occasions.
>
> On what conceivable basis could Martz argue that the outcome of the
> game should be overturned?
>
> Good god this is unbelievable.
>
> John

if every SB could be reviewed and overturned then certainly SB42
should be overturned

here's something I just saw yesterday
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8069f011

as Sabol gushes about Eli, he replays the sack that should have been
and lo-and-behold, there in plain view behind Eli is #60 O'hara with
his forearm around Seymour's neck, pulling him away from sacking
Eli!!!

yes, it's there for the whole world to see... if the gints didnt
cheat, Eli gets sacked and they dont score that last TD... gints lose!

toyou · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 7

On Feb 26, 11:58 am, LP wrote:
> On Feb 25, 7:36 am, john.vampate...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > From Peter King: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/02/24/combin...
>
> > "I spoke over the weekend with former Ram coach Mike Martz about the
> > allegation that the Patriots videotaped St. Louis' walk through
> > practice the day before Super Bowl XXXVI. He says the Ram practice
> > that day consisted of the offense running its red-zone plays at half
> > speed. The Rams, as it turned out, struggled mightily inside the 20 in
> > that game. I hear that Martz and other Ram people are privately
> > talking much tougher, and I think it's possible, if there is tape of
> > the walk through, the Rams may press the league to have the outcome of
> > the game overturned."
>
> > WHAT!!???
>
> > First of all, King is flat-out wrong about the Rams struggling in the
> > red zone. Look here: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/super/superbowl-xxxvi.htm
>
> > They got into the red zone exactly *once* all game long. One time.
> > And guess what they did? They scored a touchdown. That's right. The
> > Rams went 1-1 in the red zone scoring a TD. It wasn't easy, and the
> > Pats did a good job there, but how on earth, if the Pats indeed know
> > what was coming, did it affect the outcome of the game? I could see
> > if the Pats stoned them and the Rams lost by 3. But *THE RAMS SCORED
> > A TOUCHDOWN ON THEIR ONLY TRIP INTO THE RED ZONE*. In fact, the only
> > other time they even got past the Patriots *30* yard line, THEY ALSO
> > SCORED A TOUCHDOWN (on the 26-yard Warner-to-Proehl pass late in the
> > 4th quarter). So the only two times they even got to the Patriots
> > *30*, they scored touchdowns on both occasions.
>
> > On what conceivable basis could Martz argue that the outcome of the
> > game should be overturned?
>
> > Good god this is unbelievable.
>
> > John
>
> if every SB could be reviewed and overturned then certainly SB42
> should be overturned
>
> here's something I just saw yesterdayhttp://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8069f011
>
> as Sabol gushes about Eli, he replays the sack that should have been
> and lo-and-behold, there in plain view behind Eli is #60 O'hara with
> his forearm around Seymour's neck, pulling him away from sacking
> Eli!!!
>
> yes, it's there for the whole world to see... if the gints didnt
> cheat, Eli gets sacked and they dont score that last TD... gints lose!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Is that play similar to the hold called on the Seahwaks in SB 40 that
so many people said wan't a hold?

I'm just curious if you are being consistent in your analysis.

~ toyou

john.vampatella · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 66

On Feb 26, 12:58 pm, toyou wrote:
> On Feb 26, 11:58 am, LP wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 25, 7:36 am, john.vampate...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > From Peter King: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/02/24/combin...
>
> > > "I spoke over the weekend with former Ram coach Mike Martz about the
> > > allegation that the Patriots videotaped St. Louis' walk through
> > > practice the day before Super Bowl XXXVI. He says the Ram practice
> > > that day consisted of the offense running its red-zone plays at half
> > > speed. The Rams, as it turned out, struggled mightily inside the 20 in
> > > that game. I hear that Martz and other Ram people are privately
> > > talking much tougher, and I think it's possible, if there is tape of
> > > the walk through, the Rams may press the league to have the outcome of
> > > the game overturned."
>
> > > WHAT!!???
>
> > > First of all, King is flat-out wrong about the Rams struggling in the
> > > red zone. Look here: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/super/superbowl-xxxvi.htm
>
> > > They got into the red zone exactly *once* all game long. One time.
> > > And guess what they did? They scored a touchdown. That's right. The
> > > Rams went 1-1 in the red zone scoring a TD. It wasn't easy, and the
> > > Pats did a good job there, but how on earth, if the Pats indeed know
> > > what was coming, did it affect the outcome of the game? I could see
> > > if the Pats stoned them and the Rams lost by 3. But *THE RAMS SCORED
> > > A TOUCHDOWN ON THEIR ONLY TRIP INTO THE RED ZONE*. In fact, the only
> > > other time they even got past the Patriots *30* yard line, THEY ALSO
> > > SCORED A TOUCHDOWN (on the 26-yard Warner-to-Proehl pass late in the
> > > 4th quarter). So the only two times they even got to the Patriots
> > > *30*, they scored touchdowns on both occasions.
>
> > > On what conceivable basis could Martz argue that the outcome of the
> > > game should be overturned?
>
> > > Good god this is unbelievable.
>
> > > John
>
> > if every SB could be reviewed and overturned then certainly SB42
> > should be overturned
>
> > here's something I just saw yesterdayhttp://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8069f011
>
> > as Sabol gushes about Eli, he replays the sack that should have been
> > and lo-and-behold, there in plain view behind Eli is #60 O'hara with
> > his forearm around Seymour's neck, pulling him away from sacking
> > Eli!!!
>
> > yes, it's there for the whole world to see... if the gints didnt
> > cheat, Eli gets sacked and they dont score that last TD... gints lose!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Is that play similar to the hold called on the Seahwaks in SB 40 that
> so many people said wan't a hold?
>
> I'm just curious if you are being consistent in your analysis.
>
> ~ toyou-

Are you a Seahawks or Steelers fan?

John

LP · Joined: 26 Feb 2008 Posts: 5

On Feb 26, 10:58 am, toyou wrote:
> On Feb 26, 11:58 am, LP wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 25, 7:36 am, john.vampate...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > From Peter King: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/02/24/combin...
>
> > > "I spoke over the weekend with former Ram coach Mike Martz about the
> > > allegation that the Patriots videotaped St. Louis' walk through
> > > practice the day before Super Bowl XXXVI. He says the Ram practice
> > > that day consisted of the offense running its red-zone plays at half
> > > speed. The Rams, as it turned out, struggled mightily inside the 20 in
> > > that game. I hear that Martz and other Ram people are privately
> > > talking much tougher, and I think it's possible, if there is tape of
> > > the walk through, the Rams may press the league to have the outcome of
> > > the game overturned."
>
> > > WHAT!!???
>
> > > First of all, King is flat-out wrong about the Rams struggling in the
> > > red zone. Look here: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/super/superbowl-xxxvi.htm
>
> > > They got into the red zone exactly *once* all game long. One time.
> > > And guess what they did? They scored a touchdown. That's right. The
> > > Rams went 1-1 in the red zone scoring a TD. It wasn't easy, and the
> > > Pats did a good job there, but how on earth, if the Pats indeed know
> > > what was coming, did it affect the outcome of the game? I could see
> > > if the Pats stoned them and the Rams lost by 3. But *THE RAMS SCORED
> > > A TOUCHDOWN ON THEIR ONLY TRIP INTO THE RED ZONE*. In fact, the only
> > > other time they even got past the Patriots *30* yard line, THEY ALSO
> > > SCORED A TOUCHDOWN (on the 26-yard Warner-to-Proehl pass late in the
> > > 4th quarter). So the only two times they even got to the Patriots
> > > *30*, they scored touchdowns on both occasions.
>
> > > On what conceivable basis could Martz argue that the outcome of the
> > > game should be overturned?
>
> > > Good god this is unbelievable.
>
> > > John
>
> > if every SB could be reviewed and overturned then certainly SB42
> > should be overturned
>
> > here's something I just saw yesterdayhttp://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8069f011
>
> > as Sabol gushes about Eli, he replays the sack that should have been
> > and lo-and-behold, there in plain view behind Eli is #60 O'hara with
> > his forearm around Seymour's neck, pulling him away from sacking
> > Eli!!!
>
> > yes, it's there for the whole world to see... if the gints didnt
> > cheat, Eli gets sacked and they dont score that last TD... gints lose!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Is that play similar to the hold called on the Seahwaks in SB 40 that
> so many people said wan't a hold?
>
> I'm just curious if you are being consistent in your analysis.
>
> ~ toyou- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

hmm... I didnt go back to SB40 to review it... perhaps it needs to be
overturned for cheating as well!

toyou · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 7

On Feb 26, 1:12 pm, john.vampate...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 26, 12:58 pm, toyou wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 26, 11:58 am, LP wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 25, 7:36 am, john.vampate...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > From Peter King: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/02/24/combin...
>
> > > > "I spoke over the weekend with former Ram coach Mike Martz about the
> > > > allegation that the Patriots videotaped St. Louis' walk through
> > > > practice the day before Super Bowl XXXVI. He says the Ram practice
> > > > that day consisted of the offense running its red-zone plays at half
> > > > speed. The Rams, as it turned out, struggled mightily inside the 20 in
> > > > that game. I hear that Martz and other Ram people are privately
> > > > talking much tougher, and I think it's possible, if there is tape of
> > > > the walk through, the Rams may press the league to have the outcome of
> > > > the game overturned."
>
> > > > WHAT!!???
>
> > > > First of all, King is flat-out wrong about the Rams struggling in the
> > > > red zone. Look here: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/super/superbowl-xxxvi.htm
>
> > > > They got into the red zone exactly *once* all game long. One time..
> > > > And guess what they did? They scored a touchdown. That's right.. The
> > > > Rams went 1-1 in the red zone scoring a TD. It wasn't easy, and the
> > > > Pats did a good job there, but how on earth, if the Pats indeed know
> > > > what was coming, did it affect the outcome of the game? I could see
> > > > if the Pats stoned them and the Rams lost by 3. But *THE RAMS SCORED
> > > > A TOUCHDOWN ON THEIR ONLY TRIP INTO THE RED ZONE*. In fact, the only
> > > > other time they even got past the Patriots *30* yard line, THEY ALSO
> > > > SCORED A TOUCHDOWN (on the 26-yard Warner-to-Proehl pass late in the
> > > > 4th quarter). So the only two times they even got to the Patriots
> > > > *30*, they scored touchdowns on both occasions.
>
> > > > On what conceivable basis could Martz argue that the outcome of the
> > > > game should be overturned?
>
> > > > Good god this is unbelievable.
>
> > > > John
>
> > > if every SB could be reviewed and overturned then certainly SB42
> > > should be overturned
>
> > > here's something I just saw yesterdayhttp://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8069f011
>
> > > as Sabol gushes about Eli, he replays the sack that should have been
> > > and lo-and-behold, there in plain view behind Eli is #60 O'hara with
> > > his forearm around Seymour's neck, pulling him away from sacking
> > > Eli!!!
>
> > > yes, it's there for the whole world to see... if the gints didnt
> > > cheat, Eli gets sacked and they dont score that last TD... gints lose!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Is that play similar to the hold called on the Seahwaks in SB 40 that
> > so many people said wan't a hold?
>
> > I'm just curious if you are being consistent in your analysis.
>
> > ~ toyou-
>
> Are you a Seahawks or Steelers fan?
>
> John- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Steeler fan...occasional Patriot hater...but, to be fair, I haven't
dogged your team for a little while...lol.

~ toyou

john.vampatella · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 66

On Feb 26, 1:16 pm, toyou wrote:
> On Feb 26, 1:12 pm, john.vampate...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 26, 12:58 pm, toyou wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 26, 11:58 am, LP wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 25, 7:36 am, john.vampate...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > From Peter King: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/02/24/combin...
>
> > > > > "I spoke over the weekend with former Ram coach Mike Martz about the
> > > > > allegation that the Patriots videotaped St. Louis' walk through
> > > > > practice the day before Super Bowl XXXVI. He says the Ram practice
> > > > > that day consisted of the offense running its red-zone plays at half
> > > > > speed. The Rams, as it turned out, struggled mightily inside the 20 in
> > > > > that game. I hear that Martz and other Ram people are privately
> > > > > talking much tougher, and I think it's possible, if there is tape of
> > > > > the walk through, the Rams may press the league to have the outcome of
> > > > > the game overturned."
>
> > > > > WHAT!!???
>
> > > > > First of all, King is flat-out wrong about the Rams struggling in the
> > > > > red zone. Look here: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/super/superbowl-xxxvi.htm
>
> > > > > They got into the red zone exactly *once* all game long. One time.
> > > > > And guess what they did? They scored a touchdown. That's right. The
> > > > > Rams went 1-1 in the red zone scoring a TD. It wasn't easy, and the
> > > > > Pats did a good job there, but how on earth, if the Pats indeed know
> > > > > what was coming, did it affect the outcome of the game? I could see
> > > > > if the Pats stoned them and the Rams lost by 3. But *THE RAMS SCORED
> > > > > A TOUCHDOWN ON THEIR ONLY TRIP INTO THE RED ZONE*. In fact, the only
> > > > > other time they even got past the Patriots *30* yard line, THEY ALSO
> > > > > SCORED A TOUCHDOWN (on the 26-yard Warner-to-Proehl pass late in the
> > > > > 4th quarter). So the only two times they even got to the Patriots
> > > > > *30*, they scored touchdowns on both occasions.
>
> > > > > On what conceivable basis could Martz argue that the outcome of the
> > > > > game should be overturned?
>
> > > > > Good god this is unbelievable.
>
> > > > > John
>
> > > > if every SB could be reviewed and overturned then certainly SB42
> > > > should be overturned
>
> > > > here's something I just saw yesterdayhttp://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8069f011
>
> > > > as Sabol gushes about Eli, he replays the sack that should have been
> > > > and lo-and-behold, there in plain view behind Eli is #60 O'hara with
> > > > his forearm around Seymour's neck, pulling him away from sacking
> > > > Eli!!!
>
> > > > yes, it's there for the whole world to see... if the gints didnt
> > > > cheat, Eli gets sacked and they dont score that last TD... gints lose!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Is that play similar to the hold called on the Seahwaks in SB 40 that
> > > so many people said wan't a hold?
>
> > > I'm just curious if you are being consistent in your analysis.
>
> > > ~ toyou-
>
> > Are you a Seahawks or Steelers fan?
>
> > John- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Steeler fan...occasional Patriot hater...but, to be fair, I haven't
> dogged your team for a little while...lol.

Heh. Well, considering we lost the SB, I expect a little dogging from
other teams' fans. It's natural. As for the play you're referring
to, I can't remember it, mostly because I don't watch other teams
nearly as closely as I watch the Patriots, even if it is the Super
Bowl. I remember thinking that the Seahawks were getting hosed, but
the only one that really sticks out to me was the illegal blocking
penalty on Matt Hasselbeck when he was trying to tackle the Steelers
guy after the turnover. I mean, how can he be *blocking illegally*,
when he's playing defense chasing the ballcarrier? It was the
weirdest call I've ever seen in any sport.

John

toyou · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 7

On Feb 26, 1:37 pm, john.vampate...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 26, 1:16 pm, toyou wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 26, 1:12 pm, john.vampate...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 26, 12:58 pm, toyou wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 26, 11:58 am, LP wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 25, 7:36 am, john.vampate...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > From Peter King: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/02/24/combin...
>
> > > > > > "I spoke over the weekend with former Ram coach Mike Martz about the
> > > > > > allegation that the Patriots videotaped St. Louis' walk through
> > > > > > practice the day before Super Bowl XXXVI. He says the Ram practice
> > > > > > that day consisted of the offense running its red-zone plays at half
> > > > > > speed. The Rams, as it turned out, struggled mightily inside the 20 in
> > > > > > that game. I hear that Martz and other Ram people are privately
> > > > > > talking much tougher, and I think it's possible, if there is tape of
> > > > > > the walk through, the Rams may press the league to have the outcome of
> > > > > > the game overturned."
>
> > > > > > WHAT!!???
>
> > > > > > First of all, King is flat-out wrong about the Rams struggling in the
> > > > > > red zone. Look here: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/super/superbowl-xxxvi.htm
>
> > > > > > They got into the red zone exactly *once* all game long. One time.
> > > > > > And guess what they did? They scored a touchdown. That's right. The
> > > > > > Rams went 1-1 in the red zone scoring a TD. It wasn't easy, and the
> > > > > > Pats did a good job there, but how on earth, if the Pats indeed know
> > > > > > what was coming, did it affect the outcome of the game? I could see
> > > > > > if the Pats stoned them and the Rams lost by 3. But *THE RAMS SCORED
> > > > > > A TOUCHDOWN ON THEIR ONLY TRIP INTO THE RED ZONE*. In fact, the only
> > > > > > other time they even got past the Patriots *30* yard line, THEY ALSO
> > > > > > SCORED A TOUCHDOWN (on the 26-yard Warner-to-Proehl pass late in the
> > > > > > 4th quarter). So the only two times they even got to the Patriots
> > > > > > *30*, they scored touchdowns on both occasions.
>
> > > > > > On what conceivable basis could Martz argue that the outcome of the
> > > > > > game should be overturned?
>
> > > > > > Good god this is unbelievable.
>
> > > > > > John
>
> > > > > if every SB could be reviewed and overturned then certainly SB42
> > > > > should be overturned
>
> > > > > here's something I just saw yesterdayhttp://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8069f011
>
> > > > > as Sabol gushes about Eli, he replays the sack that should have been
> > > > > and lo-and-behold, there in plain view behind Eli is #60 O'hara with
> > > > > his forearm around Seymour's neck, pulling him away from sacking
> > > > > Eli!!!
>
> > > > > yes, it's there for the whole world to see... if the gints didnt
> > > > > cheat, Eli gets sacked and they dont score that last TD... gints lose!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Is that play similar to the hold called on the Seahwaks in SB 40 that
> > > > so many people said wan't a hold?
>
> > > > I'm just curious if you are being consistent in your analysis.
>
> > > > ~ toyou-
>
> > > Are you a Seahawks or Steelers fan?
>
> > > John- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Steeler fan...occasional Patriot hater...but, to be fair, I haven't
> > dogged your team for a little while...lol.
>
> Heh. Well, considering we lost the SB, I expect a little dogging from
> other teams' fans. It's natural. As for the play you're referring
> to, I can't remember it, mostly because I don't watch other teams
> nearly as closely as I watch the Patriots, even if it is the Super
> Bowl. I remember thinking that the Seahawks were getting hosed, but
> the only one that really sticks out to me was the illegal blocking
> penalty on Matt Hasselbeck when he was trying to tackle the Steelers
> guy after the turnover. I mean, how can he be *blocking illegally*,
> when he's playing defense chasing the ballcarrier? It was the
> weirdest call I've ever seen in any sport.
>
> John- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

And that was a bogus call. But unfortunately it gets called a lot and
was called against the Steelers in a game earlier that same year.

I had all the videos to show how the call was holding but of course
YouTube and NFL won't let their product be put up without a fee. lol.

~ toyou

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