Robertson, trade

"John C · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 14

OK, if this is true maybe they are cheap.

http://tinyurl.com/3b96mk

I hope that Cimini is living up to his usual high standards of
journalism.

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Glenn Greenstein · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 83

"John C (tx)" wrote in message @o10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> OK, if this is true maybe they are cheap.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3b96mk
>
> I hope that Cimini is living up to his usual high standards of
> journalism.

I really don't get the point of this at all.
So he isn't a NT. Cut Coleman and play D-Rob at DE full time.

Optional nick name · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 5

On Feb 26, 8:41 am, "John C (tx)" wrote:
> OK, if this is true maybe they are cheap.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3b96mk
>
> I hope that Cimini is living up to his usual high standards of
> journalism.

eh.. you want a juicy rumor involving DRob? Here you go....

http://www.nj.com/forums/jets/index.ssf?artid=232557

53917. Blockbuster TRADE!!
by zilla51, 2/25/08 23:03 ET
The deal is done with Detroit and Denver, but the Jets are included.
The Broncos are sending Foxworth and a 2nd to the Lions, the Jets are
sending Robertson and a 5th to the Broncos, and Lions are sending
Rogers to the Jets! The deal will be annouced tomorow!!! I just heard
this on a local sports radio show!

In this incarnation, the Jets give up DRob and a 5th for Shaun Rogers
in a 3 way deal involving Detroit, Denver and Tannenbaum. By the way,
the "local radio" station is a Detroit sports show.

I try to ignore all the message board rumors this time of year. They
are enoough to make a Jets fan cry. None of the good ones ever come
to fruition.

Glenn Greenstein · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 83

"Optional nick name" wrote in message @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 26, 8:41 am, "John C (tx)" wrote:
> OK, if this is true maybe they are cheap.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3b96mk
>
> I hope that Cimini is living up to his usual high standards of
> journalism.

eh.. you want a juicy rumor involving DRob? Here you go....

http://www.nj.com/forums/jets/index.ssf?artid=232557

53917. Blockbuster TRADE!!
by zilla51, 2/25/08 23:03 ET
The deal is done with Detroit and Denver, but the Jets are included.
The Broncos are sending Foxworth and a 2nd to the Lions, the Jets are
sending Robertson and a 5th to the Broncos, and Lions are sending
Rogers to the Jets! The deal will be annouced tomorow!!! I just heard
this on a local sports radio show!

In this incarnation, the Jets give up DRob and a 5th for Shaun Rogers
in a 3 way deal involving Detroit, Denver and Tannenbaum. By the way,
the "local radio" station is a Detroit sports show.

I try to ignore all the message board rumors this time of year. They
are enoough to make a Jets fan cry. None of the good ones ever come
to fruition.

Oh please. This is suppose to be announced on a radio station yesterday and
this dude managed to scoop every news source in NY.

Optional nick name · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 5

On Feb 26, 9:18 am, "Glenn Greenstein"
wrote:
> "Optional nick name" wrote in message@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 26, 8:41 am, "John C (tx)" wrote:
>
> > OK, if this is true maybe they are cheap.
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/3b96mk
>
> > I hope that Cimini is living up to his usual high standards of
> > journalism.
>
> eh.. you want a juicy rumor involving DRob? Here you go....
>
> http://www.nj.com/forums/jets/index.ssf?artid=232557
>
> 53917. Blockbuster TRADE!!
> by zilla51, 2/25/08 23:03 ET
> The deal is done with Detroit and Denver, but the Jets are included.
> The Broncos are sending Foxworth and a 2nd to the Lions, the Jets are
> sending Robertson and a 5th to the Broncos, and Lions are sending
> Rogers to the Jets! The deal will be annouced tomorow!!! I just heard
> this on a local sports radio show!
>
> In this incarnation, the Jets give up DRob and a 5th for Shaun Rogers
> in a 3 way deal involving Detroit, Denver and Tannenbaum. By the way,
> the "local radio" station is a Detroit sports show.
>
> I try to ignore all the message board rumors this time of year. They
> are enoough to make a Jets fan cry. None of the good ones ever come
> to fruition.
>
> Oh please. This is suppose to be announced on a radio station yesterday and
> this dude managed to scoop every news source in NY.

exactly. 99% of rumors floating around the last 2 weeks of February
are just smoke. I have learned not to get my hopes up on any of these.

buRford · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 12

On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:41:20 -0800 (PST), "John C (tx)" wrote:

>OK, if this is true maybe they are cheap.

If he was a great player, he might be worth his cap hit (1/10th of the whole cap
allocation). But as is, he's a terrible value.
So, seeing what offers they might receive, aint a bad move.
I'm hoping they can renegotiate, and move him to DE.

>
>http://tinyurl.com/3b96mk
>
>I hope that Cimini is living up to his usual high standards of
>journalism.

Glenn Greenstein · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 83

"buRford" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:41:20 -0800 (PST), "John C (tx)"
> wrote:
>
>>OK, if this is true maybe they are cheap.
>
> If he was a great player, he might be worth his cap hit (1/10th of the
> whole cap
> allocation). But as is, he's a terrible value.
> So, seeing what offers they might receive, aint a bad move.
> I'm hoping they can renegotiate, and move him to DE.

Actually, I think there is a 3mill cap savings if he is cut.
Most of the cap number on him is salary.
>
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/3b96mk
>>
>>I hope that Cimini is living up to his usual high standards of
>>journalism.

Harlan Lachman · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 2

In article
,
Optional nick name wrote:

> On Feb 26, 8:41 am, "John C (tx)" wrote:
> > OK, if this is true maybe they are cheap.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/3b96mk
> >
> > I hope that Cimini is living up to his usual high standards of
> > journalism.
>
> eh.. you want a juicy rumor involving DRob? Here you go....
>
> http://www.nj.com/forums/jets/index.ssf?artid=232557
>
> 53917. Blockbuster TRADE!!
> by zilla51, 2/25/08 23:03 ET
> The deal is done with Detroit and Denver, but the Jets are included.
> The Broncos are sending Foxworth and a 2nd to the Lions, the Jets are
> sending Robertson and a 5th to the Broncos, and Lions are sending
> Rogers to the Jets! The deal will be annouced tomorow!!! I just heard
> this on a local sports radio show!
>
>
> In this incarnation, the Jets give up DRob and a 5th for Shaun Rogers
> in a 3 way deal involving Detroit, Denver and Tannenbaum. By the way,
> the "local radio" station is a Detroit sports show.
>
> I try to ignore all the message board rumors this time of year. They
> are enoough to make a Jets fan cry. None of the good ones ever come
> to fruition.

This is a terrible trade. We are overpaying, Denver is effectively
getting DRob for #2 pick and we are trading a once #4 pick for a
slackard and having to give up a #5 for the privilege.

Fire the FO.

Harlan

--
To respond, obviously drop the "nospan"?

MZ · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 54

"Optional nick name" wrote in message @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

>The deal is done with Detroit and Denver, but the Jets are included.
>The Broncos are sending Foxworth and a 2nd to the Lions, the Jets are
>sending Robertson and a 5th to the Broncos, and Lions are sending
>Rogers to the Jets!

I'd rather have Robertson. No contest.

MZ · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 54

"MZ" wrote in message @giganews.com...
> "Optional nick name" wrote in message
> @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>>The deal is done with Detroit and Denver, but the Jets are included.
>>The Broncos are sending Foxworth and a 2nd to the Lions, the Jets are
>>sending Robertson and a 5th to the Broncos, and Lions are sending
>>Rogers to the Jets!
>
> I'd rather have Robertson. No contest.

Wait a second... $11.2M? See ya later, Dewayne.

paddy_nyr · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

"Glenn Greenstein" wrote in message $kj1.385679@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> "Optional nick name" wrote in message
> @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 26, 8:41 am, "John C (tx)" wrote:
>> OK, if this is true maybe they are cheap.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/3b96mk
>>
>> I hope that Cimini is living up to his usual high standards of
>> journalism.
>
> eh.. you want a juicy rumor involving DRob? Here you go....
>
> http://www.nj.com/forums/jets/index.ssf?artid=232557
>
> 53917. Blockbuster TRADE!!
> by zilla51, 2/25/08 23:03 ET
> The deal is done with Detroit and Denver, but the Jets are included.
> The Broncos are sending Foxworth and a 2nd to the Lions, the Jets are
> sending Robertson and a 5th to the Broncos, and Lions are sending
> Rogers to the Jets! The deal will be annouced tomorow!!! I just heard
> this on a local sports radio show!
>
>
> In this incarnation, the Jets give up DRob and a 5th for Shaun Rogers
> in a 3 way deal involving Detroit, Denver and Tannenbaum. By the way,
> the "local radio" station is a Detroit sports show.
>
> I try to ignore all the message board rumors this time of year. They
> are enoough to make a Jets fan cry. None of the good ones ever come
> to fruition.
>
> Oh please. This is suppose to be announced on a radio station yesterday
> and this dude managed to scoop every news source in NY.
>

Denver yes, but no mention of the Jets in this article

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080226/SPORTS0101/802260373/1004/SPORTS

Grinch · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 6

On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:41:20 -0800 (PST), "John C (tx)"
wrote:

>OK, if this is true maybe they are cheap.

Oh, D-Rob ain't worth 10% of the team's cap.

>http://tinyurl.com/3b96mk

"Dewayne Robertson doesn't tie up blockers on a consistent basis ...
"But there is one thing he can tie up: the salary cap. His $11.2
million figure consumes one-tenth of the team's cap..."

A perfect example of the risk of of trading up. You give up two first-
rounders and a fourth, who could have been two or maybe even three
players who help the team at a reasonable price, and end up with only
one who helps your team while being hugely overpriced, thus hurting
the team at other positions.

But the press and fans all applaud because you had the gonads to make
the dramatic move to improve the team. After this Bradway's
popularity zoomed for a few days, remember?

We need competent bodies at several positions, not a hugely priced big
name at one (who at best will be no bargain, and at worst can be a cap
disaster). Let's not do the likes of this again.

>I hope that Cimini is living up to his usual high standards of
>journalism.

Optional nick name · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 5

On Feb 26, 12:33 pm, Harlan Lachman
wrote:
> In article
> ,
> Optional nick name wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 26, 8:41 am, "John C (tx)" wrote:
> > > OK, if this is true maybe they are cheap.
>
> > >http://tinyurl.com/3b96mk
>
> > > I hope that Cimini is living up to his usual high standards of
> > > journalism.
>
> > eh.. you want a juicy rumor involving DRob? Here you go....
>
> >http://www.nj.com/forums/jets/index.ssf?artid=232557
>
> > 53917. Blockbuster TRADE!!
> > by zilla51, 2/25/08 23:03 ET
> > The deal is done with Detroit and Denver, but the Jets are included.
> > The Broncos are sending Foxworth and a 2nd to the Lions, the Jets are
> > sending Robertson and a 5th to the Broncos, and Lions are sending
> > Rogers to the Jets! The deal will be annouced tomorow!!! I just heard
> > this on a local sports radio show!
>
> > In this incarnation, the Jets give up DRob and a 5th for Shaun Rogers
> > in a 3 way deal involving Detroit, Denver and Tannenbaum. By the way,
> > the "local radio" station is a Detroit sports show.
>
> > I try to ignore all the message board rumors this time of year. They
> > are enoough to make a Jets fan cry. None of the good ones ever come
> > to fruition.
>
> This is a terrible trade. We are overpaying, Denver is effectively
> getting DRob for #2 pick and we are trading a once #4 pick for a
> slackard and having to give up a #5 for the privilege.
>
> Fire the FO.
>
> Harlan
>
> --
> To respond, obviously drop the "nospan"?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

first, the trade rumor is merely that... an unsupported fan rumor that
makes no sense. Don't kill the FO for that. Second, DRob may have
been a #4 overall, but he plays like a 5th rounder at best. The cost
of DRob was just one of many Bradway blunders. Trading him for Rogers
could be a huge upgrade for the Jets if (and this is a big "if")
Mangini can get Rogers to play hard for a full season. As far as raw
talent, Rogers blows DRob off of the map. DRob and a 5th for Rogers
is a freaking steal (if you ignore the ridiculous price Bradway paid
for DSlob in the first place.) If you think the two are on the same
level on the playing field, then I have no idea what you have been
watching.

Optional nick name · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 5

On Feb 26, 3:52 pm, "MZ" wrote:
> "Optional nick name" wrote in message@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> >The deal is done with Detroit and Denver, but the Jets are included.
> >The Broncos are sending Foxworth and a 2nd to the Lions, the Jets are
> >sending Robertson and a 5th to the Broncos, and Lions are sending
> >Rogers to the Jets!
>
> I'd rather have Robertson. No contest.

Surprised. SR has more talent in his pinky than DRob has in
degenerative knee. It's just that Detroit couldn't get him to give a
full effort for 16 games. I'd take the risk and make this trade in a
heartbeat.

MZ · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 27

On Tue, 26 Feb 2008, Optional nick name wrote:
> first, the trade rumor is merely that... an unsupported fan rumor that
> makes no sense. Don't kill the FO for that. Second, DRob may have
> been a #4 overall, but he plays like a 5th rounder at best. The cost
> of DRob was just one of many Bradway blunders. Trading him for Rogers
> could be a huge upgrade for the Jets if (and this is a big "if")
> Mangini can get Rogers to play hard for a full season. As far as raw
> talent, Rogers blows DRob off of the map.

I don't think Rogers is half as good as you think he is or that DRob is
half as bad as you think he is. Forced to choose, I'd probably take
Robertson to be honest. More versatile, better stamina.

But then I saw the cap number...

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