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Robin Miller



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:19 pm    Post subject: SDUT (Canepa): Chargers won't wait to pursue stadium Reply with quote

Chargers won't wait to pursue stadium

UNION-TRIBUNE

February 19, 2008

All along, the Chargers have insisted they basically have given up on a new
stadium within the San Diego city limits because of one man - City Attorney
Mike Aguirre. Their figuring, probably right, is that Aguirre would do his
best to swat away any shot.

And Aguirre, as we all know, can swat, although he whiffs now and then, such
as seeking an evacuation during the fires and jumping in like a porch
climber during the La Jolla landslide.

So I'm wondering. This is an election year, and Aguirre is being challenged
by viable candidates. Would the Chargers consider holding back their current
efforts to secure a new joint in Chula Vista and wait for the outcome of the
city election?

The answer, according to Mark Fabiani, the Chargers' stadium point guard, is
a resounding "no." They are going after the two sites in Chula Vista - one
where the power plant (which some day will be demolished) sits near the
harbor, and the other far east of there, where more land is available,
without much access.

Except that Fabiani sounds like a running back that needs to see daylight
sometime soon (Chula Vista has been affable). Thus far, the Chargers haven't
responded to suitors outside San Diego County. That could change. After the
2008 season, according to their sweetheart lease with City Hall, they are
free to move about the country.

Thing is, with the real estate market what it is now, where can they go? The
price of a new stadium, unless it can be paid for in some other way, is
going to be staggering for any city.

What the Chargers want to do is pay for it and use other land for
development, as they wanted to do on the Qualcomm Stadium site. But after
the team was unable to find a development partner, which would have been the
best way to go, City Hall groundhogs crawled back into their bunkers after
seeing six more years of self-imposed fiscal winter.

"We're going to stay with Chula Vista," says Fabiani, who, as a longtime
campaigner, knows politics. "We don't want to lose another year. It's
unlikely he'll (Aguirre) be defeated in the primary. The votes likely will
be split, so it will be Aguirre and somebody else in the (November) runoff."

And Fabiani and team President Dean Spanos don't want to wait that long,
nor - probably - do they completely trust the San Diego electorate. The
franchise has taken the city to the dry cleaners - after the ticket
guarantee fiasco they now basically pay no rent - and this is a town that
can't get a walking bridge built across a public street.

"These are Dean's instructions (regarding Chula Vista)," Fabiani says. "A
lot of people are down on Aguirre right now, but November is a long ways
away. We've got to have some progress this calendar year."

If that sounds like a threat, maybe it is.

"We've got to show forward movement this year," he says. "We can't have
another year with no movement. Again, if I were a betting person, I'd say
we're a lot closer to the end of the process than the beginning of it.

"Dean has shown an incredible amount of patience, and he's not a patient
person, but I'm not predicting that patience is coming to an end."

Still, these are businesspeople. The NFL is a business that just so happens
to involve football.

It's been clear for some time Spanos, given the millions he has spent and
the battles he has fought to find a new site, doesn't want to leave the
area. Never mind he doesn't really have a viable place to go, but he's
developed a strong fan base here.

There's been talk recently of building a stadium at the Port Authority's
10th Avenue Marine Terminal (which would be the best site of all), and
others are suggesting a massive Qualcomm renovation, which would seem
incredibly hard to do.

"The Port idea, although good, is pretty far-fetched," Fabiani says. "The
idea is a double-deck facility, with the first deck still housing the Port
facility. The cost would be gigantic, but downtown would be great, because
you wouldn't need to build any infrastructure or parking garages. There's
tons of parking downtown on Sundays. And it would create more jobs. I think
labor would be interested.

"As for Qualcomm, we still think it would cost as much to renovate the
stadium than to build a new one, and I haven't seen any studies to the
contrary. It's a multiuse facility. You'd have to move stands around."

And, if they decided to do this - the Chargers' original plan was to build a
new stadium adjacent to the old one - where would they play, Mesa College?

"Where do you play and how would you pay for it?" Fabiani says. "I don't
want to pooh-pooh a stadium renovation - if it works."

It won't. The city, losing millions on the site, will not keep Qualcomm for
San Diego State football and bowl games.

"So you get a deal with the city and win an election," Fabiani says. "Then,
like John Moores and the Padres, who won an election, it takes six years to
get it built?"

It's getting serious, folks. Maybe if we all evacuated.


Nick Canepa: (619) 293-1397; nick.canepa@uniontrib.com


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ScottW



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:56 pm    Post subject: Re: SDUT (Canepa): Chargers won't wait to pursue stadium Reply with quote

AFAIAC the whole Aguirre thing is a smoke screen.

Jerry Sanders has said the city has no money to do anything. If anyone hasn't
noticed, the city's long term financial prognosis continues to deteriorate as
larger and larger chunks of the revenue pie service the pension and health care
debt.

Alex Spanos would not do a deal that didn't offer him big buck development
opportunities. But, while he made money in Stockton he clearly doesn't
understand the SD market.
The reason he couldn't find a development partner for MV is simply because the
plan was marginal to start with.
San Diego could not support 3,000 upscale condos on the market. Many downtown
developments weren't moving before the RE market tanked and his MV project
simply assumed too much demand.

It will be interesting to see what they want to do with the SB power plant land
if Chula Vista can get it together.
I'm not sure they come up with a plan that will finance a stadium let alone line
Sr. Spanos pockets with another half a billion as he's clearly stated was his
goal.
I think it's really Dean whose main job is the Chargers who wants to stay in SD
and isn't all that worried about making billions in the process. If he can get
total authority from Dad, a deal might get done.

ScottW
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Savage Lizard



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:49 pm    Post subject: Re: SDUT (Canepa): Chargers won't wait to pursue stadium Reply with quote

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:56:09 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:

>AFAIAC the whole Aguirre thing is a smoke screen.
>
>Jerry Sanders has said the city has no money to do anything. If anyone hasn't
>noticed, the city's long term financial prognosis continues to deteriorate as
>larger and larger chunks of the revenue pie service the pension and health care
>debt.
>
>Alex Spanos would not do a deal that didn't offer him big buck development
>opportunities. But, while he made money in Stockton he clearly doesn't
>understand the SD market.
>The reason he couldn't find a development partner for MV is simply because the
>plan was marginal to start with.
>San Diego could not support 3,000 upscale condos on the market. Many downtown
>developments weren't moving before the RE market tanked and his MV project
>simply assumed too much demand.
>
>It will be interesting to see what they want to do with the SB power plant land
>if Chula Vista can get it together.
>I'm not sure they come up with a plan that will finance a stadium let alone line
>Sr. Spanos pockets with another half a billion as he's clearly stated was his
>goal.
>I think it's really Dean whose main job is the Chargers who wants to stay in SD
>and isn't all that worried about making billions in the process. If he can get
>total authority from Dad, a deal might get done.

Dad might not be around too much longer.

Savage Lizard
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Kurgan Gringioni



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:44 pm    Post subject: Re: SDUT (Canepa): Chargers won't wait to pursue stadium Reply with quote

On Feb 21, 4:49 pm, Savage Lizard wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:56:09 -0800, "ScottW"
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >AFAIAC the whole Aguirre thing is a smoke screen.
>
> >Jerry Sanders has said the city has no money to do anything.  If anyone hasn't
> >noticed, the city's long term financial prognosis continues to deteriorate as
> >larger and larger chunks of the revenue pie service the pension and health care
> >debt.
>
> >Alex Spanos would not do a deal that didn't offer him big buck development
> >opportunities.  But, while he made money in Stockton he clearly doesn't
> >understand the SD market.
> >The reason he couldn't find a development partner for MV is simply because the
> >plan was marginal to start with.
> >San Diego could not support 3,000 upscale condos on the market.  Many downtown
> >developments weren't moving before the RE market tanked and his MV project
> >simply assumed too much demand.
>
> >It will be interesting to see what they want to do with the SB power plant land
> >if Chula Vista can get it together.
> >I'm not sure they come up with a plan that will finance a stadium let alone line
> >Sr. Spanos pockets with another half a billion as he's clearly stated was his
> >goal.
> >I think it's really Dean whose main job is the Chargers who wants to stay in SD
> >and isn't all that worried about making billions in the process.  If he can get
> >total authority from Dad, a deal might get done.
>
> Dad might not be around too much longer.



I like Dean better than Alex.
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josh sullivan



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:45 pm    Post subject: Re: SDUT (Canepa): Chargers won't wait to pursue stadium Reply with quote

On Feb 21, 6:44 pm, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> On Feb 21, 4:49 pm, Savage Lizard wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:56:09 -0800, "ScottW"
> > wrote:
>
> > >AFAIAC the whole Aguirre thing is a smoke screen.
>
> > >Jerry Sanders has said the city has no money to do anything.  If anyone hasn't
> > >noticed, the city's long term financial prognosis continues to deteriorate as
> > >larger and larger chunks of the revenue pie service the pension and health care
> > >debt.
>
> > >Alex Spanos would not do a deal that didn't offer him big buck development
> > >opportunities.  But, while he made money in Stockton he clearly doesn't
> > >understand the SD market.
> > >The reason he couldn't find a development partner for MV is simply because the
> > >plan was marginal to start with.
> > >San Diego could not support 3,000 upscale condos on the market.  Many downtown
> > >developments weren't moving before the RE market tanked and his MV project
> > >simply assumed too much demand.
>
> > >It will be interesting to see what they want to do with the SB power plant land
> > >if Chula Vista can get it together.
> > >I'm not sure they come up with a plan that will finance a stadium let alone line
> > >Sr. Spanos pockets with another half a billion as he's clearly stated was his
> > >goal.
> > >I think it's really Dean whose main job is the Chargers who wants to stay in SD
> > >and isn't all that worried about making billions in the process.  If he can get
> > >total authority from Dad, a deal might get done.
>
> > Dad might not be around too much longer.
>
> I like Dean better than Alex.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

If REF still reads this group, it'd be great to hear from him on this
topic. He always had good insight on municipal politics and
business. REF?
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ScottW



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:31 pm    Post subject: Re: SDUT (Canepa): Chargers won't wait to pursue stadium Reply with quote

On Feb 22, 7:45 am, josh sullivan wrote:
> On Feb 21, 6:44 pm, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 21, 4:49 pm, Savage Lizard wrote:
>
> > > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:56:09 -0800, "ScottW"
> > > wrote:
>
> > > >AFAIAC the whole Aguirre thing is a smoke screen.
>
> > > >Jerry Sanders has said the city has no money to do anything.  If anyone hasn't
> > > >noticed, the city's long term financial prognosis continues to deteriorate as
> > > >larger and larger chunks of the revenue pie service the pension and health care
> > > >debt.
>
> > > >Alex Spanos would not do a deal that didn't offer him big buck development
> > > >opportunities.  But, while he made money in Stockton he clearly doesn't
> > > >understand the SD market.
> > > >The reason he couldn't find a development partner for MV is simply because the
> > > >plan was marginal to start with.
> > > >San Diego could not support 3,000 upscale condos on the market.  Many downtown
> > > >developments weren't moving before the RE market tanked and his MV project
> > > >simply assumed too much demand.
>
> > > >It will be interesting to see what they want to do with the SB power plant land
> > > >if Chula Vista can get it together.
> > > >I'm not sure they come up with a plan that will finance a stadium let alone line
> > > >Sr. Spanos pockets with another half a billion as he's clearly stated was his
> > > >goal.
> > > >I think it's really Dean whose main job is the Chargers who wants to stay in SD
> > > >and isn't all that worried about making billions in the process.  If he can get
> > > >total authority from Dad, a deal might get done.
>
> > > Dad might not be around too much longer.
>
> > I like Dean better than Alex.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> If REF still reads this group, it'd be great to hear from him on this
> topic.  He always had good insight on municipal politics and
> business.  REF?

I think he's still in mourning over his losses in real estate.

ScottW
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Kurgan Gringioni



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:13 am    Post subject: Re: SDUT (Canepa): Chargers won't wait to pursue stadium Reply with quote

On Feb 22, 9:31 am, ScottW wrote:
> On Feb 22, 7:45 am, josh sullivan wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 21, 6:44 pm, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 21, 4:49 pm, Savage Lizard wrote:
>
> > > > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:56:09 -0800, "ScottW"
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > >AFAIAC the whole Aguirre thing is a smoke screen.
>
> > > > >Jerry Sanders has said the city has no money to do anything.  If anyone hasn't
> > > > >noticed, the city's long term financial prognosis continues to deteriorate as
> > > > >larger and larger chunks of the revenue pie service the pension and health care
> > > > >debt.
>
> > > > >Alex Spanos would not do a deal that didn't offer him big buck development
> > > > >opportunities.  But, while he made money in Stockton he clearly doesn't
> > > > >understand the SD market.
> > > > >The reason he couldn't find a development partner for MV is simply because the
> > > > >plan was marginal to start with.
> > > > >San Diego could not support 3,000 upscale condos on the market.  Many downtown
> > > > >developments weren't moving before the RE market tanked and his MV project
> > > > >simply assumed too much demand.
>
> > > > >It will be interesting to see what they want to do with the SB power plant land
> > > > >if Chula Vista can get it together.
> > > > >I'm not sure they come up with a plan that will finance a stadium let alone line
> > > > >Sr. Spanos pockets with another half a billion as he's clearly stated was his
> > > > >goal.
> > > > >I think it's really Dean whose main job is the Chargers who wants to stay in SD
> > > > >and isn't all that worried about making billions in the process.  If he can get
> > > > >total authority from Dad, a deal might get done.
>
> > > > Dad might not be around too much longer.
>
> > > I like Dean better than Alex.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > If REF still reads this group, it'd be great to hear from him on this
> > topic.  He always had good insight on municipal politics and
> > business.  REF?
>
>  I think he's still in mourning over his losses in real estate.



Pollyanna-ism is fine for being a fan, but it's not an ideal working
philosophy when it comes to investing.
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ScottW



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:37 am    Post subject: Re: SDUT (Canepa): Chargers won't wait to pursue stadium Reply with quote

"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in message @v3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 22, 9:31 am, ScottW wrote:
> On Feb 22, 7:45 am, josh sullivan wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 21, 6:44 pm, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 21, 4:49 pm, Savage Lizard wrote:
>
> > > > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:56:09 -0800, "ScottW"
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > >AFAIAC the whole Aguirre thing is a smoke screen.
>
> > > > >Jerry Sanders has said the city has no money to do anything. If anyone
> > > > >hasn't
> > > > >noticed, the city's long term financial prognosis continues to
> > > > >deteriorate as
> > > > >larger and larger chunks of the revenue pie service the pension and
> > > > >health care
> > > > >debt.
>
> > > > >Alex Spanos would not do a deal that didn't offer him big buck
> > > > >development
> > > > >opportunities. But, while he made money in Stockton he clearly doesn't
> > > > >understand the SD market.
> > > > >The reason he couldn't find a development partner for MV is simply
> > > > >because the
> > > > >plan was marginal to start with.
> > > > >San Diego could not support 3,000 upscale condos on the market. Many
> > > > >downtown
> > > > >developments weren't moving before the RE market tanked and his MV
> > > > >project
> > > > >simply assumed too much demand.
>
> > > > >It will be interesting to see what they want to do with the SB power
> > > > >plant land
> > > > >if Chula Vista can get it together.
> > > > >I'm not sure they come up with a plan that will finance a stadium let
> > > > >alone line
> > > > >Sr. Spanos pockets with another half a billion as he's clearly stated
> > > > >was his
> > > > >goal.
> > > > >I think it's really Dean whose main job is the Chargers who wants to
> > > > >stay in SD
> > > > >and isn't all that worried about making billions in the process. If he
> > > > >can get
> > > > >total authority from Dad, a deal might get done.
>
> > > > Dad might not be around too much longer.
>
> > > I like Dean better than Alex.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > If REF still reads this group, it'd be great to hear from him on this
> > topic. He always had good insight on municipal politics and
> > business. REF?
>
> I think he's still in mourning over his losses in real estate.

:Pollyanna-ism is fine for being a fan, but it's not an ideal working
:philosophy when it comes to investing.

Well, I'm going pollyanna on real estate as I just picked up a
second house for just over half of what it sold only 2 years ago.
My how times have changed.

ScottW
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:58 pm    Post subject: Re: SDUT (Canepa): Chargers won't wait to pursue stadium Reply with quote

On Feb 21, 6:44 pm, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> On Feb 21, 4:49 pm, Savage Lizard wrote:
> > Dad might not be around too much longer.
>
> I like Dean better than Alex.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Wow, you're really going out on a limb there KG. Sure you don't want
to take that back?

Michael
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:48 pm    Post subject: Re: SDUT (Canepa): Chargers won't wait to pursue stadium Reply with quote

On Feb 23, 11:58 am, phlash74 wrote:
> On Feb 21, 6:44 pm, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>
> > On Feb 21, 4:49 pm, Savage Lizard wrote:
> > > Dad might not be around too much longer.
>
> > I like Dean better than Alex.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Wow, you're really going out on a limb there KG.  Sure you don't want
> to take that back?



LOL!

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