Salary Cap and Who should the Redskins Cut or Trade

James Duncan · Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Posts: 15

OK, the skins are still over the salary cap, by $6-7 million at this point,
even after renegotiating a few player's deals.

So what should the skins do to get under the cap and have some room for free
agent signings? Personally I'd love to see the Redskins sign Asante
Samuels. I don't think there are any good Wide Receivers available in free
agency. I think the skins should mainly focus on the draft, but there is a
need at corner, especially since they should probably let their best corner
go due to Springs being injury prone and getting old as well as having a
very expensive contract. Of course, I'm not sure what the salary cap
impact would be, but I thought he didn't have much left on years for his
contract.

Brandon Lloyd should be cut, but probably won't be due to salary cap
reasons.

Is Randy Thomas in danger of being a salary cap casualty? He plays well
when he isn't hurt, but last season he was out for most of the year.

So what do you think?

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Valjean · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 86

"5. Free agency starts on Feb. 29. The Redskins always find salary cap space
to make a couple of moves. Which players and which positions should be on
their radar this off-season?

Lindsay: It would be wise for the Redskins to go for a receiving threat â?"
especially a tall one and frankly, while so much else is changing, this is
the year I'd take a gamble on Chad Johnson. It might be tough to compete in
the locker room with a chatty Smoot, but if he reigns himself in, I say
while you're changing the philosophy of the Redskins as you are, have at it.
I just want Snyder to be the one to have to set him straight when the
show-boating becomes too much.

Ryan: Tall receiver, cover cornerback, offensive line depth, pass-rushing
defensive end, back up quarterback. And the Redskins don't have a lot of
salary cap space to add parts so the draft is paramount. Shawn Springs must
be retained now that Carlos Rogers is unlikely to be ready for Week 1. A big
receiver can be added in the draft but I'd use the first-round pick on a
pass rusher. Chad Johnson? I doubt the Bengals will move him, especially
after Marvin Lewis' comments on Wednesday."

"James Duncan" wrote in message $kI4.7@trnddc05...
> OK, the skins are still over the salary cap, by $6-7 million at this
> point, even after renegotiating a few player's deals.
>
> So what should the skins do to get under the cap and have some room for
> free agent signings? Personally I'd love to see the Redskins sign Asante
> Samuels. I don't think there are any good Wide Receivers available in
> free agency. I think the skins should mainly focus on the draft, but
> there is a need at corner, especially since they should probably let their
> best corner go due to Springs being injury prone and getting old as well
> as having a very expensive contract. Of course, I'm not sure what the
> salary cap impact would be, but I thought he didn't have much left on
> years for his contract.
>
> Brandon Lloyd should be cut, but probably won't be due to salary cap
> reasons.
>
> Is Randy Thomas in danger of being a salary cap casualty? He plays well
> when he isn't hurt, but last season he was out for most of the year.
>
> So what do you think?
>
>

mrjl · Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 15

On Feb 16, 8:56 am, "James Duncan"
wrote:
> OK, the skins are still over the salary cap, by $6-7 million at this point,
> even after renegotiating a few player's deals.
>
> So what should the skins do to get under the cap and have some room for free
> agent signings? Personally I'd love to see the Redskins sign Asante
> Samuels. I don't think there are any good Wide Receivers available in free
> agency. I think the skins should mainly focus on the draft, but there is a
> need at corner, especially since they should probably let their best corner
> go due to Springs being injury prone and getting old as well as having a
> very expensive contract. Of course, I'm not sure what the salary cap
> impact would be, but I thought he didn't have much left on years for his
> contract.
>
> Brandon Lloyd should be cut, but probably won't be due to salary cap
> reasons.
>
> Is Randy Thomas in danger of being a salary cap casualty? He plays well
> when he isn't hurt, but last season he was out for most of the year.
>
> So what do you think?

Lloyd will be cut.

I think Daniels and Springs are expected to be asked to restructure.

JLB

Valjean · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 86

Springs took a one-year deal for 2007, having refused to re-structure then;
he's on year-to-year at the moment.

"mrjl" wrote in message @e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 16, 8:56 am, "James Duncan"
wrote:
> OK, the skins are still over the salary cap, by $6-7 million at this
> point,
> even after renegotiating a few player's deals.
>
> So what should the skins do to get under the cap and have some room for
> free
> agent signings? Personally I'd love to see the Redskins sign Asante
> Samuels. I don't think there are any good Wide Receivers available in free
> agency. I think the skins should mainly focus on the draft, but there is a
> need at corner, especially since they should probably let their best
> corner
> go due to Springs being injury prone and getting old as well as having a
> very expensive contract. Of course, I'm not sure what the salary cap
> impact would be, but I thought he didn't have much left on years for his
> contract.
>
> Brandon Lloyd should be cut, but probably won't be due to salary cap
> reasons.
>
> Is Randy Thomas in danger of being a salary cap casualty? He plays well
> when he isn't hurt, but last season he was out for most of the year.
>
> So what do you think?

Lloyd will be cut.

I think Daniels and Springs are expected to be asked to restructure.

JLB

Jim Carr · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 111

Valjean wrote:
> Springs took a one-year deal for 2007, having refused to re-structure then;
> he's on year-to-year at the moment.

I don't think so:

3/3/2004: Signed a six-year, $30 million contract. The deal included a
$10 million signing bonus. 2008: $5 million, 2009: $6 million, 2010:
Free Agent. Cap charges: $7.475 million (2008), $8.475 million (2009).

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=nfl&id=107

Valjean · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 86

I still don't think you are current; how could you miss it?

"Jim Carr" wrote in message$ov5.16204@newsfe15.phx...
> Valjean wrote:
>> Springs took a one-year deal for 2007, having refused to re-structure
>> then; he's on year-to-year at the moment.
>
> I don't think so:
>
> 3/3/2004: Signed a six-year, $30 million contract. The deal included a $10
> million signing bonus. 2008: $5 million, 2009: $6 million, 2010: Free
> Agent. Cap charges: $7.475 million (2008), $8.475 million (2009).
>
> http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=nfl&id=107
>

Valjean · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 86

Ah, yes, I see what it is now. We're again in Jim Carr World where all we're
entitled to talk of is either numbers (his) or, as the legal world has it
when the chips are down, the (current too) "black and white." This omits the
off-season contretemps with management in which Shawn turned down a pay cut
and the team couldn't work a trade for Dre Bly. When the season started,
Springs was #3 and Smoot, who had somehow returned, was starting in his
place, an accommodation they worked out. From the team's standpoint, a
disgruntled employee was moved away from the day-to-day wrangling over his
preferment, while Springs got to preserve his health against a future
contract and a new team. Basically, the team put off hiring a new #1 CB,
though the relationship effectively went on year-to-year once the trade
demand was made. Rogers' expected prolonged recovery leaves an opening to be
filled, but, once again, it's no certainty Shawn will be around to fill in
again when the 2008 season opens. His fine play down the stretch in 2007 was
his self-advertisement designed to catch the eye of several potential future
employers.

"Jim Carr" wrote in message $ov5.16204@newsfe15.phx...
> Valjean wrote:
>> Springs took a one-year deal for 2007, having refused to re-structure
>> then; he's on year-to-year at the moment.
>
> I don't think so:
>
> 3/3/2004: Signed a six-year, $30 million contract. The deal included a $10
> million signing bonus. 2008: $5 million, 2009: $6 million, 2010: Free
> Agent. Cap charges: $7.475 million (2008), $8.475 million (2009).
>
> http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=nfl&id=107
>

Jim Carr · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 111

Valjean wrote:
> I still don't think you are current; how could you miss it?

If you've got something, post it. You've never been shy about posting
links in the past. If I missed that he renegotiated his contract to a
one year deal, so be it. No need to be all cryptic about it.

Valjean · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 86

What is this supposed to be, cute? Don't you read "the rest of the story,"
as in the update to my first reply? Since it went up before you did this
one, what do I think you do, too?

"Jim Carr" wrote in message $ov5.32595@newsfe15.phx...
> Valjean wrote:
>> I still don't think you are current; how could you miss it?
>
> If you've got something, post it. You've never been shy about posting
> links in the past. If I missed that he renegotiated his contract to a one
> year deal, so be it. No need to be all cryptic about it.

Jim Carr · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 111

Valjean wrote:
> What is this supposed to be, cute? Don't you read "the rest of the story,"
> as in the update to my first reply? Since it went up before you did this
> one, what do I think you do, too?

Honestly, Val, I tried to read it, but it was just too difficult to
follow. Quit being a dick and just post a link that explains his new
contract.

Valjean · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 86

No; you just disclose what this is all of, why all negotiations/bargains
struck with players, negotiation strategems (no matter how well known), and
NFL player movement and why it's happening (when it does) is off-limits to
discussion. This is supposed to be a full-disclosure web discussion forum,
in case you hadn't learned that.

"Jim Carr" wrote in message $n42.6953@newsfe08.phx...
> Valjean wrote:
>> What is this supposed to be, cute? Don't you read "the rest of the
>> story," as in the update to my first reply? Since it went up before you
>> did this one, what do I think you do, too?
>
> Honestly, Val, I tried to read it, but it was just too difficult to
> follow. Quit being a dick and just post a link that explains his new
> contract.

Diamondback · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 16

He's not year-to-year, at least not on paper. He's signed through 2010. I
haven't seen anything to suggest otherwise.

"Valjean" wrote in message $Lq5.17@newsfe05.lga...
> Ah, yes, I see what it is now. We're again in Jim Carr World where all
> we're entitled to talk of is either numbers (his) or, as the legal world
> has it when the chips are down, the (current too) "black and white." This
> omits the off-season contretemps with management in which Shawn turned
> down a pay cut and the team couldn't work a trade for Dre Bly. When the
> season started, Springs was #3 and Smoot, who had somehow returned, was
> starting in his place, an accommodation they worked out. From the team's
> standpoint, a disgruntled employee was moved away from the day-to-day
> wrangling over his preferment, while Springs got to preserve his health
> against a future contract and a new team. Basically, the team put off
> hiring a new #1 CB, though the relationship effectively went on
> year-to-year once the trade demand was made. Rogers' expected prolonged
> recovery leaves an opening to be filled, but, once again, it's no
> certainty Shawn will be around to fill in again when the 2008 season
> opens. His fine play down the stretch in 2007 was his self-advertisement
> designed to catch the eye of several potential future employers.
>
>
> "Jim Carr" wrote in message
> $ov5.16204@newsfe15.phx...
>> Valjean wrote:
>>> Springs took a one-year deal for 2007, having refused to re-structure
>>> then; he's on year-to-year at the moment.
>>
>> I don't think so:
>>
>> 3/3/2004: Signed a six-year, $30 million contract. The deal included a
>> $10 million signing bonus. 2008: $5 million, 2009: $6 million, 2010: Free
>> Agent. Cap charges: $7.475 million (2008), $8.475 million (2009).
>>
>> http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=nfl&id=107
>>
>
>

Jim Carr · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 111

Valjean wrote:
> No; you just disclose what this is all of, why all negotiations/bargains
> struck with players, negotiation strategems (no matter how well known), and
> NFL player movement and why it's happening (when it does) is off-limits to
> discussion. This is supposed to be a full-disclosure web discussion forum,
> in case you hadn't learned that.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Valjean · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 86

You're not reading what I've written, paying attention to how these
agreements actually play out, nor acknowledging how they're generally
discussed in the press. As we both know, they're re-negotiated off and on,
and players can be cut. These contracts are designed to fit within certain
base accounting rules; it hardly suits us to pretend 7-8-10 year deals,
whatever, are actually being fulfilled, now does it? And that the way
players and management wrangle over them doesn't have a long history to
which we have long been witnesses. Such sterile formality doesn't begin to
suggest how long Shawn has, and the future for him and other players here is
what's behind this thread. Carr's intent is just to stifle any criticism of
at least Snyder, and attack what the press is about while he's at it. Who
knows what he's up to there. That's what you're on board with when you post
what you did.

"Diamondback" wrote in message @cablespeedmd.com...
> He's not year-to-year, at least not on paper. He's signed through 2010.
> I haven't seen anything to suggest otherwise.
>
> "Valjean" wrote in message
> $Lq5.17@newsfe05.lga...
>> Ah, yes, I see what it is now. We're again in Jim Carr World where all
>> we're entitled to talk of is either numbers (his) or, as the legal world
>> has it when the chips are down, the (current too) "black and white." This
>> omits the off-season contretemps with management in which Shawn turned
>> down a pay cut and the team couldn't work a trade for Dre Bly. When the
>> season started, Springs was #3 and Smoot, who had somehow returned, was
>> starting in his place, an accommodation they worked out. From the team's
>> standpoint, a disgruntled employee was moved away from the day-to-day
>> wrangling over his preferment, while Springs got to preserve his health
>> against a future contract and a new team. Basically, the team put off
>> hiring a new #1 CB, though the relationship effectively went on
>> year-to-year once the trade demand was made. Rogers' expected prolonged
>> recovery leaves an opening to be filled, but, once again, it's no
>> certainty Shawn will be around to fill in again when the 2008 season
>> opens. His fine play down the stretch in 2007 was his self-advertisement
>> designed to catch the eye of several potential future employers.
>>
>>
>> "Jim Carr" wrote in message
>> $ov5.16204@newsfe15.phx...
>>> Valjean wrote:
>>>> Springs took a one-year deal for 2007, having refused to re-structure
>>>> then; he's on year-to-year at the moment.
>>>
>>> I don't think so:
>>>
>>> 3/3/2004: Signed a six-year, $30 million contract. The deal included a
>>> $10 million signing bonus. 2008: $5 million, 2009: $6 million, 2010:
>>> Free Agent. Cap charges: $7.475 million (2008), $8.475 million (2009).
>>>
>>> http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=nfl&id=107
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Valjean · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 86

Then why are you in here at all.... Everyone else just wants to know that.

"Jim Carr" wrote in message %tj.18344$n42.16198@newsfe08.phx...
> Valjean wrote:
>> No; you just disclose what this is all of, why all negotiations/bargains
>> struck with players, negotiation strategems (no matter how well known),
>> and NFL player movement and why it's happening (when it does) is
>> off-limits to discussion. This is supposed to be a full-disclosure web
>> discussion forum, in case you hadn't learned that.
>
> I have no idea what you're talking about.

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