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Allenx



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:02 pm    Post subject: Salary cap + elite team equity? Reply with quote

The salary cap, in principal, levels the field for teams in the NFL. What it
misses, is preventing free-agents from accepting "discounts" from teams they
wish to play for.

If a free-agent covets joining an elite team, he could tell his agent to
offer his skills at a discount (for example Donte Stallworth and the
Patriots). This can give considerable competitive advantage to successful
teams over other teams. They get to select from players motivated by
championships (rather than $$$s) and get those players at a discount.

In baseball, the Player's Union prevented A-Rod from joining the Red Sox at
a discount, even though A-Rod was willing to give up salary to join the team
he prefered.


Question: Should the NFL address this issue, and if so, how?

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Bender



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Salary cap + elite team equity? Reply with quote

"Allenx" wrote:

> The salary cap, in principal, levels the field for teams in the NFL. What it
> misses, is preventing free-agents from accepting "discounts" from teams they
> wish to play for.
>
> If a free-agent covets joining an elite team, he could tell his agent to
> offer his skills at a discount (for example Donte Stallworth and the
> Patriots). This can give considerable competitive advantage to successful
> teams over other teams. They get to select from players motivated by
> championships (rather than $$$s) and get those players at a discount.

A better example of this is the Patriots Tom Brady. He could make 10
times more money with the Patriots (or any other team) if he wanted to.

> In baseball, the Player's Union prevented A-Rod from joining the Red Sox at
> a discount, even though A-Rod was willing to give up salary to join the team
> he prefered.
>
>
> Question: Should the NFL address this issue, and if so, how?

Not yet. But this could be a big problem in the future if this becomes a
habit with players. I think the union would sep in first before the NFL
would. This action is playing right into the hands of NFL owners and it
will make owners more money and players less.
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Bender



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Salary cap + elite team equity? Reply with quote

In article , ndywrote:

> while, I guess this is what NG offseason is for fans of perpetual loser
> teams. geez ??????

I don't know which is funnier,
your misinformed post or you calling Alex a Bills fan Wink

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Polarhound



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:14 am    Post subject: Re: Salary cap + elite team equity? Reply with quote

Bender wrote:

>> Question: Should the NFL address this issue, and if so, how?
>
> Not yet. But this could be a big problem in the future if this becomes a
> habit with players. I think the union would sep in first before the NFL
> would. This action is playing right into the hands of NFL owners and it
> will make owners more money and players less.

I can see it now: The NFLPA starts suing players because they aren't
taking so much money that it precludes them from building a team.
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strazzerj



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Salary cap + elite team equity? Reply with quote

On Jan 19, 1:02 pm, "Allenx" wrote:

> If a free-agent covets joining an elite team, he could tell his agent to
> offer his skills at a discount (for example Donte Stallworth and the
> Patriots). This can give considerable competitive advantage to successful
> teams over other teams. They get to select from players motivated by
> championships (rather than $$$s) and get those players at a discount.
>
> In baseball, the Player's Union prevented A-Rod from joining the Red Sox at
> a discount, even though A-Rod was willing to give up salary to join the team
> he prefered.
>
> Question: Should the NFL address this issue, and if so, how?

Let me see if I understand correctly.

You don't think free agents should be able to sign for the team of
their choice?
You think that free agents should be forced to sign with the highest
bidder, no matter what they prefer?

Would that benefit the Bills in some way?
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eacantdraft



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Salary cap + elite team equity? Reply with quote

On Jan 20, 11:08 am, strazz...@netscape.net wrote:
> On Jan 19, 1:02 pm, "Allenx" wrote:
>
> > If a free-agent covets joining an elite team, he could tell his agent to
> > offer his skills at a discount (for example Donte Stallworth and the
> > Patriots). This can give considerable competitive advantage to successful
> > teams over other teams. They get to select from players motivated by
> > championships (rather than $$$s) and get those players at a discount.
>
> > In baseball, the Player's Union prevented A-Rod from joining the Red Sox at
> > a discount, even though A-Rod was willing to give up salary to join the team
> > he prefered.
>
> > Question: Should the NFL address this issue, and if so, how?
>
> Let me see if I understand correctly.
>
> You don't think free agents should be able to sign for the team of
> their choice?
> You think that free agents should be forced to sign with the highest
> bidder, no matter what they prefer?
>
> Would that benefit the Bills in some way?

Many players feel the same way about Buffalo as Willis McGahee, they
just don't say it. The fans think this is the only way Buffalo can get
prime free agents.
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strazzerj



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Salary cap + elite team equity? Reply with quote

On Jan 21, 11:44 am, eacantdr...@mail.org wrote:
> On Jan 20, 11:08 am, strazz...@netscape.net wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 19, 1:02 pm, "Allenx" wrote:
>
> > > If a free-agent covets joining an elite team, he could tell his agent to
> > > offer his skills at a discount (for example Donte Stallworth and the
> > > Patriots). This can give considerable competitive advantage to successful
> > > teams over other teams. They get to select from players motivated by
> > > championships (rather than $$$s) and get those players at a discount.
>
> > > In baseball, the Player's Union prevented A-Rod from joining the Red Sox at
> > > a discount, even though A-Rod was willing to give up salary to join the team
> > > he prefered.
>
> > > Question: Should the NFL address this issue, and if so, how?
>
> > Let me see if I understand correctly.
>
> > You don't think free agents should be able to sign for the team of
> > their choice?
> > You think that free agents should be forced to sign with the highest
> > bidder, no matter what they prefer?
>
> > Would that benefit the Bills in some way?
>
> Many players feel the same way about Buffalo as Willis McGahee, they
> just don't say it. The fans think this is the only way Buffalo can get
> prime free agents.

I've never heard any fans other than Allenx say this. If anything,
I've heard the opposite - that Buffalo cannot compete in paying high
free agent salaries.

Do you really believe some Buffalo fans think this would be a good
idea?
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Harry



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Salary cap + elite team equity? Reply with quote

wrote in message


>
> > > If a free-agent covets joining an elite team, he could tell his agent
> > > to
> > > offer his skills at a discount (for example Donte Stallworth and the
> > > Patriots). This can give considerable competitive advantage to
> > > successful
> > > teams over other teams. They get to select from players motivated by
> > > championships (rather than $$$s) and get those players at a discount.
>
> > > In baseball, the Player's Union prevented A-Rod from joining the Red
> > > Sox at
> > > a discount, even though A-Rod was willing to give up salary to join
> > > the team
> > > he prefered.
>
> > > Question: Should the NFL address this issue, and if so, how?
>
> > Let me see if I understand correctly.
>
> > You don't think free agents should be able to sign for the team of
> > their choice?
> > You think that free agents should be forced to sign with the highest
> > bidder, no matter what they prefer?
>
> > Would that benefit the Bills in some way?
>
> Many players feel the same way about Buffalo as Willis McGahee, they
> just don't say it. The fans think this is the only way Buffalo can get
> prime free agents.

>I've never heard any fans other than Allenx say this. If anything,
>I've heard the opposite - that Buffalo cannot compete in paying high
>free agent salaries.
>
>Do you really believe some Buffalo fans think this would be a good
>idea?

why can buffalo not compete?
they have the room in the salary cap.
they have the need on the playing field.

now if the question were: "buffalo is not a highly desireable end location"
i could understand and agree. how do the turn that around?

green bay could not even sign draft picks. the turn around started with
signing reggie white, and a tight end [whom i forget - maybe from the phins]
and then others came to the lilly white population of the frozen tundra -
and then they started winning.

NE went maybe a decade as a place where even players they traded for failed
to show up after the trade. it as a dismal franchise and no one ever wanted
to go there for lack of leadership, ownership and lossing attitude. parcels
turns that around in two years. helps to have a #1 pick.

the local "economic' climate is partially an excuse as they free agent is
not working the factory lines. he has money.

bills continued hiring from within, losing play makers, not signing "name"
players, staffing with retreaded coaches and now no general manager etc etc
all feeds to the concept that buffalo is not a desireable place to come to
in a signing. if u were a top corner back or wide out would u come to a
place with questionable team mates around you or go to a place missing a
special postion - and u are that piece.

it is not the rules - please!
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eacantdraft



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: Salary cap + elite team equity? Reply with quote

On Jan 21, 3:23 pm, "Harry" wrote:
> wrote in message
>
> > > > If a free-agent covets joining an elite team, he could tell his agent
> > > > to
> > > > offer his skills at a discount (for example Donte Stallworth and the
> > > > Patriots). This can give considerable competitive advantage to
> > > > successful
> > > > teams over other teams. They get to select from players motivated by
> > > > championships (rather than $$$s) and get those players at a discount..
>
> > > > In baseball, the Player's Union prevented A-Rod from joining the Red
> > > > Sox at
> > > > a discount, even though A-Rod was willing to give up salary to join
> > > > the team
> > > > he prefered.
>
> > > > Question: Should the NFL address this issue, and if so, how?
>
> > > Let me see if I understand correctly.
>
> > > You don't think free agents should be able to sign for the team of
> > > their choice?
> > > You think that free agents should be forced to sign with the highest
> > > bidder, no matter what they prefer?
>
> > > Would that benefit the Bills in some way?
>
> > Many players feel the same way about Buffalo as Willis McGahee, they
> > just don't say it. The fans think this is the only way Buffalo can get
> > prime free agents.
> >I've never heard any fans other than Allenx say this.  If anything,
> >I've heard the opposite - that Buffalo cannot compete in paying high
> >free agent salaries.
>
> >Do you really believe some Buffalo fans think this would be a good
> >idea?
>
> why can buffalo not compete?
> they have the room in the salary cap.
> they have the need on the playing field.
>
> now if the question were: "buffalo is not a highly desireable end location"
> i could understand and agree. how do the turn that around?
>
> green bay could not even sign draft picks. the turn around started with
> signing reggie white, and a tight end [whom i forget - maybe from the phins]
> and then others came to the lilly white population of the frozen tundra -
> and then they started winning.
>
> NE went maybe a decade as a place where even players they traded for failed
> to show up after the trade. it as a dismal franchise and no one ever wanted
> to go there for lack of leadership, ownership and lossing attitude. parcels
> turns that around in two years. helps to have a #1 pick.
>
> the local "economic' climate is partially an excuse as they free agent is
> not working the factory lines. he has money.
>
> bills continued hiring from within, losing play makers, not signing "name"
> players, staffing with retreaded coaches and now no general manager etc etc
> all feeds to the concept that buffalo is not a desireable place to come to
> in a signing. if u were a top corner back or wide out would u come to a
> place with questionable team mates around you or go to a place missing a
> special postion - and u are that piece.
>
> it is not the rules - please!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Green Bay has a history of championships and legends. It's fanbase
goes well beyound Wisconsin. New England is in a sports mad large city
with tons of history and championships. Buffalo has neither.
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Harry



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Salary cap + elite team equity? Reply with quote

wrote in message @k2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 3:23 pm, "Harry" wrote:
> wrote in message
>
> > > > If a free-agent covets joining an elite team, he could tell his
> > > > agent
> > > > to
> > > > offer his skills at a discount (for example Donte Stallworth and the
> > > > Patriots). This can give considerable competitive advantage to
> > > > successful
> > > > teams over other teams. They get to select from players motivated by
> > > > championships (rather than $$$s) and get those players at a
> > > > discount.
>
> > > > In baseball, the Player's Union prevented A-Rod from joining the Red
> > > > Sox at
> > > > a discount, even though A-Rod was willing to give up salary to join
> > > > the team
> > > > he prefered.
>
> > > > Question: Should the NFL address this issue, and if so, how?
>
> > > Let me see if I understand correctly.
>
> > > You don't think free agents should be able to sign for the team of
> > > their choice?
> > > You think that free agents should be forced to sign with the highest
> > > bidder, no matter what they prefer?
>
> > > Would that benefit the Bills in some way?
>
> > Many players feel the same way about Buffalo as Willis McGahee, they
> > just don't say it. The fans think this is the only way Buffalo can get
> > prime free agents.
> >I've never heard any fans other than Allenx say this. If anything,
> >I've heard the opposite - that Buffalo cannot compete in paying high
> >free agent salaries.
>
> >Do you really believe some Buffalo fans think this would be a good
> >idea?
>
> why can buffalo not compete?
> they have the room in the salary cap.
> they have the need on the playing field.
>
> now if the question were: "buffalo is not a highly desireable end
> location"
> i could understand and agree. how do the turn that around?
>
> green bay could not even sign draft picks. the turn around started with
> signing reggie white, and a tight end [whom i forget - maybe from the
> phins]
> and then others came to the lilly white population of the frozen tundra -
> and then they started winning.
>
> NE went maybe a decade as a place where even players they traded for
> failed
> to show up after the trade. it as a dismal franchise and no one ever
> wanted
> to go there for lack of leadership, ownership and lossing attitude.
> parcels
> turns that around in two years. helps to have a #1 pick.
>
> the local "economic' climate is partially an excuse as they free agent is
> not working the factory lines. he has money.
>
> bills continued hiring from within, losing play makers, not signing "name"
> players, staffing with retreaded coaches and now no general manager etc
> etc
> all feeds to the concept that buffalo is not a desireable place to come to
> in a signing. if u were a top corner back or wide out would u come to a
> place with questionable team mates around you or go to a place missing a
> special postion - and u are that piece.
>
> it is not the rules - please!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

>Green Bay has a history of championships and legends. It's fanbase
>goes well beyound Wisconsin. New England is in a sports mad large city
>with tons of history and championships. Buffalo has neither.

the packers "was" and is a great franchise - but they too have had periods
of lossing and a waste land. 72 - 83 they had two 8 win seasons. in the 50s
they were the worst in the league. players were not interested in past
history. think the celtics' players of the last decade gave two hoots about
red archabeack and the 16 titles. fans care. look at bender - his calendar
is stuck in the early 90s.

the pats had a great base for the bit three sports - baseball, hockey,
basketball. seeing kids in patriots apparal was non existent, even with the
85/ 86 team till blodsoe and kraft. i think somewhere i saw that the pats
were last or next to last in sales of gear when kraft bought the team.

big signings - big coachs - stars ---- and a taste of success will turn
around the bills on recruiting both fans and players.

there was an article here in jacksonville that the jags were the "least" fan
favorite in the league. players and agents know that stat. given this last
year i will bet that starts to change for 08.

the nfl needs a bills / jags versus cards / lions final four. then we start
getting balance. until it is the pats / colts versus the cowboys / giants
getting the stars at a discount.
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Geoff



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Salary cap + elite team equity? Reply with quote

eacantdraft@mail.org wrote:
> On Jan 21, 3:23 pm, "Harry" wrote:
>> wrote in message
>>
>>>>> If a free-agent covets joining an elite team, he could tell his
>>>>> agent to
>>>>> offer his skills at a discount (for example Donte Stallworth and
>>>>> the Patriots). This can give considerable competitive advantage to
>>>>> successful
>>>>> teams over other teams. They get to select from players motivated
>>>>> by championships (rather than $$$s) and get those players at a
>>>>> discount.
>>
>>>>> In baseball, the Player's Union prevented A-Rod from joining the
>>>>> Red Sox at
>>>>> a discount, even though A-Rod was willing to give up salary to
>>>>> join the team
>>>>> he prefered.
>>
>>>>> Question: Should the NFL address this issue, and if so, how?
>>
>>>> Let me see if I understand correctly.
>>
>>>> You don't think free agents should be able to sign for the team of
>>>> their choice?
>>>> You think that free agents should be forced to sign with the
>>>> highest bidder, no matter what they prefer?
>>
>>>> Would that benefit the Bills in some way?
>>
>>> Many players feel the same way about Buffalo as Willis McGahee, they
>>> just don't say it. The fans think this is the only way Buffalo can
>>> get prime free agents.
>>> I've never heard any fans other than Allenx say this. If anything,
>>> I've heard the opposite - that Buffalo cannot compete in paying high
>>> free agent salaries.
>>
>>> Do you really believe some Buffalo fans think this would be a good
>>> idea?
>>
>> why can buffalo not compete?
>> they have the room in the salary cap.
>> they have the need on the playing field.
>>
>> now if the question were: "buffalo is not a highly desireable end
>> location" i could understand and agree. how do the turn that around?
>>
>> green bay could not even sign draft picks. the turn around started
>> with signing reggie white, and a tight end [whom i forget - maybe
>> from the phins] and then others came to the lilly white population
>> of the frozen tundra - and then they started winning.
>>
>> NE went maybe a decade as a place where even players they traded for
>> failed to show up after the trade. it as a dismal franchise and no
>> one ever wanted to go there for lack of leadership, ownership and
>> lossing attitude. parcels turns that around in two years. helps to
>> have a #1 pick.
>>
>> the local "economic' climate is partially an excuse as they free
>> agent is not working the factory lines. he has money.
>>
>> bills continued hiring from within, losing play makers, not signing
>> "name" players, staffing with retreaded coaches and now no general
>> manager etc etc all feeds to the concept that buffalo is not a
>> desireable place to come to in a signing. if u were a top corner
>> back or wide out would u come to a place with questionable team
>> mates around you or go to a place missing a special postion - and u
>> are that piece.
>>
>> it is not the rules - please!- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Green Bay has a history of championships and legends. It's fanbase
> goes well beyound Wisconsin. New England is in a sports mad large city
> with tons of history and championships. Buffalo has neither.

How many sellouts did Buffalo have this year?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Salary cap + elite team equity? Reply with quote

On Jan 22, 2:35 pm, "Geoff" wrote:
> eacantdr...@mail.org wrote:
> > On Jan 21, 3:23 pm, "Harry" wrote:
> >> wrote in message
>
> >>>>> If a free-agent covets joining an elite team, he could tell his
> >>>>> agent to
> >>>>> offer his skills at a discount (for example Donte Stallworth and
> >>>>> the Patriots). This can give considerable competitive advantage to
> >>>>> successful
> >>>>> teams over other teams. They get to select from players motivated
> >>>>> by championships (rather than $$$s) and get those players at a
> >>>>> discount.
>
> >>>>> In baseball, the Player's Union prevented A-Rod from joining the
> >>>>> Red Sox at
> >>>>> a discount, even though A-Rod was willing to give up salary to
> >>>>> join the team
> >>>>> he prefered.
>
> >>>>> Question: Should the NFL address this issue, and if so, how?
>
> >>>> Let me see if I understand correctly.
>
> >>>> You don't think free agents should be able to sign for the team of
> >>>> their choice?
> >>>> You think that free agents should be forced to sign with the
> >>>> highest bidder, no matter what they prefer?
>
> >>>> Would that benefit the Bills in some way?
>
> >>> Many players feel the same way about Buffalo as Willis McGahee, they
> >>> just don't say it. The fans think this is the only way Buffalo can
> >>> get prime free agents.
> >>> I've never heard any fans other than Allenx say this. If anything,
> >>> I've heard the opposite - that Buffalo cannot compete in paying high
> >>> free agent salaries.
>
> >>> Do you really believe some Buffalo fans think this would be a good
> >>> idea?
>
> >> why can buffalo not compete?
> >> they have the room in the salary cap.
> >> they have the need on the playing field.
>
> >> now if the question were: "buffalo is not a highly desireable end
> >> location" i could understand and agree. how do the turn that around?
>
> >> green bay could not even sign draft picks. the turn around started
> >> with signing reggie white, and a tight end [whom i forget - maybe
> >> from the phins] and then others came to the lilly white population
> >> of the frozen tundra - and then they started winning.
>
> >> NE went maybe a decade as a place where even players they traded for
> >> failed to show up after the trade. it as a dismal franchise and no
> >> one ever wanted to go there for lack of leadership, ownership and
> >> lossing attitude. parcels turns that around in two years. helps to
> >> have a #1 pick.
>
> >> the local "economic' climate is partially an excuse as they free
> >> agent is not working the factory lines. he has money.
>
> >> bills continued hiring from within, losing play makers, not signing
> >> "name" players, staffing with retreaded coaches and now no general
> >> manager etc etc all feeds to the concept that buffalo is not a
> >> desireable place to come to in a signing. if u were a top corner
> >> back or wide out would u come to a place with questionable team
> >> mates around you or go to a place missing a special postion - and u
> >> are that piece.
>
> >> it is not the rules - please!- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Green Bay has a history of championships and legends. It's fanbase
> > goes well beyound Wisconsin. New England is in a sports mad large city
> > with tons of history and championships. Buffalo has neither.
>
> How many sellouts did Buffalo have this year?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

And how many people who bought those tickets usually end sentences
saying "Eh"?
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Harry



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Salary cap + elite team equity? Reply with quote

"Geoff" wrote in message @giganews.com...
> eacantdraft@mail.org wrote:
>> On Jan 21, 3:23 pm, "Harry" wrote:
>>> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>>> If a free-agent covets joining an elite team, he could tell his
>>>>>> agent to
>>>>>> offer his skills at a discount (for example Donte Stallworth and
>>>>>> the Patriots). This can give considerable competitive advantage to
>>>>>> successful
>>>>>> teams over other teams. They get to select from players motivated
>>>>>> by championships (rather than $$$s) and get those players at a
>>>>>> discount.
>>>
>>>>>> In baseball, the Player's Union prevented A-Rod from joining the
>>>>>> Red Sox at
>>>>>> a discount, even though A-Rod was willing to give up salary to
>>>>>> join the team
>>>>>> he prefered.
>>>
>>>>>> Question: Should the NFL address this issue, and if so, how?
>>>
>>>>> Let me see if I understand correctly.
>>>
>>>>> You don't think free agents should be able to sign for the team of
>>>>> their choice?
>>>>> You think that free agents should be forced to sign with the
>>>>> highest bidder, no matter what they prefer?
>>>
>>>>> Would that benefit the Bills in some way?
>>>
>>>> Many players feel the same way about Buffalo as Willis McGahee, they
>>>> just don't say it. The fans think this is the only way Buffalo can
>>>> get prime free agents.
>>>> I've never heard any fans other than Allenx say this. If anything,
>>>> I've heard the opposite - that Buffalo cannot compete in paying high
>>>> free agent salaries.
>>>
>>>> Do you really believe some Buffalo fans think this would be a good
>>>> idea?
>>>
>>> why can buffalo not compete?
>>> they have the room in the salary cap.
>>> they have the need on the playing field.
>>>
>>> now if the question were: "buffalo is not a highly desireable end
>>> location" i could understand and agree. how do the turn that around?
>>>
>>> green bay could not even sign draft picks. the turn around started
>>> with signing reggie white, and a tight end [whom i forget - maybe
>>> from the phins] and then others came to the lilly white population
>>> of the frozen tundra - and then they started winning.
>>>
>>> NE went maybe a decade as a place where even players they traded for
>>> failed to show up after the trade. it as a dismal franchise and no
>>> one ever wanted to go there for lack of leadership, ownership and
>>> lossing attitude. parcels turns that around in two years. helps to
>>> have a #1 pick.
>>>
>>> the local "economic' climate is partially an excuse as they free
>>> agent is not working the factory lines. he has money.
>>>
>>> bills continued hiring from within, losing play makers, not signing
>>> "name" players, staffing with retreaded coaches and now no general
>>> manager etc etc all feeds to the concept that buffalo is not a
>>> desireable place to come to in a signing. if u were a top corner
>>> back or wide out would u come to a place with questionable team
>>> mates around you or go to a place missing a special postion - and u
>>> are that piece.
>>>
>>> it is not the rules - please!- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Green Bay has a history of championships and legends. It's fanbase
>> goes well beyound Wisconsin. New England is in a sports mad large city
>> with tons of history and championships. Buffalo has neither.
>
> How many sellouts did Buffalo have this year?
>

based on your response --- then bufallo is just the place for a free agent
to sign -- so what's happened in the last several years?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:29 am    Post subject: Re: Salary cap + elite team equity? Reply with quote

In article eacantdraft@mail.org wrote:

> New England is in a sports mad large city
> with tons of history and championships.

Exactly what State is the city of New England in?
And where were all those "sports mad" fans in Schaefer stadium?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:10 am    Post subject: Re: Salary cap + elite team equity? Reply with quote

On Jan 22, 9:29 pm, Bender wrote:
> In article eacantdr...@mail.org wrote:
> > New England is in a sports mad large city
> > with tons of history and championships.
>
> Exactly what State is the city of New England in?
> And where were all those "sports mad" fans in Schaefer stadium?

Typical American goober with no concept of geography.

Schaefer stadium was 25 years ago. Times change. Unfortunately for
western New York, many people have left since 1983, thus making it
even more difficult to compete in major league sports.

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