Source: Raiders' Kiffin not in on Lofton's hiring

The Shadow · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 34

http://www.insidebayarea.com/

By Jerry McDonald

STAFF WRITER

James Lofton has agreed to terms to join the Raiders offensive staff,
news that came as a surprise to coach Lane Kiffin.

According to a team source, Kiffin was told by a third party not
affiliated with the club that Lofton was coming aboard.

Kiffin met with Lofton on Monday after his return from Mobile, Ala., in
an interview senior executive John Herrera described as "excellent."

Herrera said Wednesday there were no announcements regarding team
business. The Raiders seldom make announcements until contracts are
actually signed.

According to the team source who preferred to remain anonymous, Kiffin
neither extended a job offer to Lofton nor was he ever told by owner Al
Davis or anyone in the front office that an offer had been made.

Except for Senior Bowl business, Kiffin has declined comment on any
matters pertaining to the Raiders that have transpired since the end of
the regular season and could not be reached for comment Wednesday night.

Rumors were rampant at the Senior Bowl that Kiffin was asked to resign
by Davis and that his authority on personnel and coaching staff hires
had been stripped, reports Herrera denied.

Lofton's most likely position is wide receivers coach. That position was
filled by Charles Coe, who came to the Raiders in 2007 from Alabama
State, where he had been head coach.

Following San Diego's playoff loss to New England, Lofton was
unexpectedly fired by Chargers coach Norv Turner. He interviewed for the
head coaching job with the Raiders twice -- once when coach Art Shell
was hired and again when Kiffin came aboard.

Hiring Lofton without Kiffin's knowledge is significant in that Davis
gave the 32-year-old coach the latitude to remake the entire offensive
staff after Oakland scored just 12 touchdowns on offense in 16 games the
previous season.

Following a 2-14 season, not a single offensive staff member remained,
with Kiffin hiring an entirely new staff with Davis' final approval.

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R. J. Salvi · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 26

wrote in message @4ax.com...
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:46:18 -0500, The Shadow
> wrote:
>
>>http://www.insidebayarea.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>By Jerry McDonald
>>
>>STAFF WRITER
>>
>
>>
>>Hiring Lofton without Kiffin's knowledge is significant in that Davis
>>gave the 32-year-old coach the latitude to remake the entire offensive
>>staff after Oakland scored just 12 touchdowns on offense in 16 games the
>>previous season.
>>
>>Following a 2-14 season, not a single offensive staff member remained,
>>with Kiffin hiring an entirely new staff with Davis' final approval.
>
> If this story is true, I can't imagine how bad the long term future of
> the Raiders is going to be. First Davis imposes his will on who Kiffin
> can have as DC. Now Davis is messing with Kiffin's coaching staff on
> the Offense too? No wonder the Raiders have become a laughing stock of
> the NFL.

Davis is forcing Kiffin's hand to resign and positioning a Plan B (Lofton)
in case he does. I hope Kiffin does resign. I wouldn't want to be there.

--
RJ

Gary DeWaay · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 42

The Shadow's at miehls@bright.net wisdom:

>
>
> James Lofton has agreed to terms to join the Raiders offensive staff,
> news that came as a surprise to coach Lane Kiffin.
>
> According to a team source, Kiffin was told by a third party not
> affiliated with the club that Lofton was coming aboard.
>

Uhhh, didn't Lofton say that he was once hired as HC of the Raiders?

--
- Gary

tsp · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 17

I don't kiss Al's, Jon-boy, or anyone's butt. But I'm not so ignorant
as to not look at the whole picture and not some, small, easy way to blame
everything on one thing (or person in this case). I've run an $80+ million
business and understand the "buck" idea. I also know that one must rely on
many others to be successful.

tsp

wrote in message @4ax.com...

> Exactly what I was thinking. Make it so miserable for Kiffin that
> maybe Kiffin gets so disgusted that he resigns. I don't think Kiffin
> will kiss Al's ass and resign unless there is some other great job out
> there. I think Kiffin will stay another year. Maybe he will bring the
> Raiders back to respectability ( for one year ) and then tell Al to
> kiss his ass and resign. Then there is the need to develop J-Russ.
>
> Thank goodness I got rid of my season tickets after the 2005 season.
> Where are the Al Davis ass kissers? Are you still kissing Al's 78 year
> old sorry ass now because of all the great things he did 30-40 years
> ago?
>
> IAAF.( proud member of the club )
> Grudenite Forever!!
>
>

Kinlaw · Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 1

wrote in message @4ax.com...
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:46:18 -0500, The Shadow
> wrote:
>
>>http://www.insidebayarea.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>By Jerry McDonald
>>
>>STAFF WRITER
>>
>
>>
>>Hiring Lofton without Kiffin's knowledge is significant in that Davis
>>gave the 32-year-old coach the latitude to remake the entire offensive
>>staff after Oakland scored just 12 touchdowns on offense in 16 games the
>>previous season.
>>
>>Following a 2-14 season, not a single offensive staff member remained,
>>with Kiffin hiring an entirely new staff with Davis' final approval.
>
> If this story is true, I can't imagine how bad the long term future of
> the Raiders is going to be. First Davis imposes his will on who Kiffin
> can have as DC. Now Davis is messing with Kiffin's coaching staff on
> the Offense too? No wonder the Raiders have become a laughing stock of
> the NFL.
>

And yet there still will be those who mock by posting with the oh so clever
IAAF. I for one had thought that Kiffin had been given much more latitude
and autonomy by Al, which I believed was the first step back to being a
decent organization. I am now forced to face facts: Al will never change.
The Silver and Black will not return to former glory unless and until Al
lets a gm and coach have full control. And it now appears that this will not
come to pass in Al's lifetime, sad as it is for me to say. I would love to
see him hold the trophy one more time, but realistically that is not going
to happen. Frankly I will be surprised if Kiffin lasts the whole season. I
would leave now, with or without the salary.

Kin

Gary DeWaay · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 42

R. J. Salvi's at rjsalvi@nospam.ambianceacoustics.com wisdom:

> I hope Kiffin does resign. I wouldn't want to be there.
>

What would that accomplish for the Raiders?

--
- Gary

Avant Grape · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 36

tsp wrote:
> I don't kiss Al's, Jon-boy, or anyone's butt. But I'm not so ignorant
> as to not look at the whole picture and not some, small, easy way to blame
> everything on one thing (or person in this case). I've run an $80+ million
> business and understand the "buck" idea. I also know that one must rely on
> many others to be successful.

Look, you're either with us or against us. Dig?

-JC

tsp · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 17

As Gary said, "PPPPFFFFFFTTTTTT!!!"

"Avant Grape" wrote in message $Ch6.236@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
> tsp wrote:
>> I don't kiss Al's, Jon-boy, or anyone's butt. But I'm not so
>> ignorant as to not look at the whole picture and not some, small, easy
>> way to blame everything on one thing (or person in this case). I've run
>> an $80+ million business and understand the "buck" idea. I also know
>> that one must rely on many others to be successful.
>
>
> Look, you're either with us or against us. Dig?
>
> -JC

R. J. Salvi · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 26

"Gary DeWaay" wrote in message @news.midco.net...
> R. J. Salvi's at rjsalvi@nospam.ambianceacoustics.com wisdom:
>
>
>
>> I hope Kiffin does resign. I wouldn't want to be there.
>>
>
>
> What would that accomplish for the Raiders?

Nothing...that's the point. If Davis is setting up Kiffin to fail -- and
that's what it looks like -- and I were Kiffin, I'd leave. Let Lofton be the
next yes-man.

--
RJ

Gary DeWaay · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 42

Avant Grape's at avantnograpecrap@sbcglobal.net wisdom:

> Gary DeWaay wrote:
> > R. J. Salvi's at rjsalvi@nospam.ambianceacoustics.com wisdom:
> >
> >
> >
> >> I hope Kiffin does resign. I wouldn't want to be there.
> >>
> >
> >
> > What would that accomplish for the Raiders?
>
>
>
> What does hiring a shitty receivers' coach accomplish for us?

I don't know for sure that he is even hired yet, nor that he is a shitty
coach.

I wish I was a Raider insider like you are... I could then be as well
informed.

--
- Gary

Gary DeWaay · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 42

R. J. Salvi's at rjsalvi@nospam.ambianceacoustics.com wisdom:

> >
> >> I hope Kiffin does resign. I wouldn't want to be there.
> >>
> >
> >
> > What would that accomplish for the Raiders?
>
> Nothing...that's the point. If Davis is setting up Kiffin to fail -- and
> that's what it looks like -- and I were Kiffin, I'd leave. Let Lofton be the
> next yes-man.
>
>

So you are admitting you'd rather have the Raiders fail than succeed?

--
- Gary

R. J. Salvi · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 26

wrote in message @4ax.com...
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:08:30 -0800, "R. J. Salvi"
> wrote:
>
>> wrote in message
>>@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:46:18 -0500, The Shadow
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>http://www.insidebayarea.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>By Jerry McDonald
>>>>
>>>>STAFF WRITER
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hiring Lofton without Kiffin's knowledge is significant in that Davis
>>>>gave the 32-year-old coach the latitude to remake the entire offensive
>>>>staff after Oakland scored just 12 touchdowns on offense in 16 games the
>>>>previous season.
>>>>
>>>>Following a 2-14 season, not a single offensive staff member remained,
>>>>with Kiffin hiring an entirely new staff with Davis' final approval.
>>>
>>> If this story is true, I can't imagine how bad the long term future of
>>> the Raiders is going to be. First Davis imposes his will on who Kiffin
>>> can have as DC. Now Davis is messing with Kiffin's coaching staff on
>>> the Offense too? No wonder the Raiders have become a laughing stock of
>>> the NFL.
>>
>>Davis is forcing Kiffin's hand to resign and positioning a Plan B (Lofton)
>>in case he does. I hope Kiffin does resign. I wouldn't want to be there.
>
> Exactly what I was thinking. Make it so miserable for Kiffin that
> maybe Kiffin gets so disgusted that he resigns. I don't think Kiffin
> will kiss Al's ass and resign unless there is some other great job out
> there. I think Kiffin will stay another year. Maybe he will bring the
> Raiders back to respectability ( for one year ) and then tell Al to
> kiss his ass and resign. Then there is the need to develop J-Russ.
>
> Thank goodness I got rid of my season tickets after the 2005 season.
> Where are the Al Davis ass kissers? Are you still kissing Al's 78 year
> old sorry ass now because of all the great things he did 30-40 years
> ago?
>
> IAAF.( proud member of the club )
> Grudenite Forever!!

Actually, you know what would REALLY be funny? Kiffin comes back and keeps
Russell on the bench all season! "Take that, Al!" LOL!
--
RJ

R. J. Salvi · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 26

"Gary DeWaay" wrote in message @news.midco.net...
> R. J. Salvi's at rjsalvi@nospam.ambianceacoustics.com wisdom:
>
>
>> >
>> >> I hope Kiffin does resign. I wouldn't want to be there.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > What would that accomplish for the Raiders?
>>
>> Nothing...that's the point. If Davis is setting up Kiffin to fail -- and
>> that's what it looks like -- and I were Kiffin, I'd leave. Let Lofton be
>> the
>> next yes-man.
>>
>>
>
>
> So you are admitting you'd rather have the Raiders fail than succeed?

Yes...and how do you feel about Bush's war in Iraq?
--
RJ

R. J. Salvi · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 26

"Gary DeWaay" wrote in message @news.midco.net...
> Avant Grape's at avantnograpecrap@sbcglobal.net wisdom:
>
>
>> Gary DeWaay wrote:
>> > R. J. Salvi's at rjsalvi@nospam.ambianceacoustics.com wisdom:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> I hope Kiffin does resign. I wouldn't want to be there.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > What would that accomplish for the Raiders?
>>
>>
>>
>> What does hiring a shitty receivers' coach accomplish for us?
>
> I don't know for sure that he is even hired yet, nor that he is a shitty
> coach.
>
>
> I wish I was a Raider insider like you are... I could then be as well
> informed.

I thought *you* were the insider! Everytime we voice our opinions on Al, you
question them as if we're uninformed idiots. Truth is, we *are* uninformed
idiots and we rely on you to steer us straight, but it seems you only have
questions for us...when we truly need answers.
--
RJ

Arkansan_Raider · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 38

Avant Grape wrote:
> tsp wrote:
>> I don't kiss Al's, Jon-boy, or anyone's butt. But I'm not so
>> ignorant as to not look at the whole picture and not some, small, easy
>> way to blame everything on one thing (or person in this case). I've
>> run an $80+ million business and understand the "buck" idea. I also
>> know that one must rely on many others to be successful.
>
>
> Look, you're either with us or against us. Dig?
>
> -JC

I'm against yo mama every night. Heh. Wink

---Jeff

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