The playing field is leveling

Glenn Greenstein · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 14

I was just looking at the first round and it seems 6 picks including #12,
Marshwyn Lynch, signed 6 year deals, while 8 signed 5 year.
I'd say considering that, Camp Revis can't out right not consider a 6 year
deal.

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Tutor · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 5

graybeard wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 16:19:34 -0400 "Glenn Greenstein"
> wrote:
>
>
>>I was just looking at the first round and it seems 6 picks including #12,
>>Marshwyn Lynch, signed 6 year deals, while 8 signed 5 year.
>>I'd say considering that, Camp Revis can't out right not consider a 6 year
>>deal.
>
>
> Several of those 6 year deals included provisions to make the 6th year
> voidable, which for all intents and purposes turns them into 5 year
> deals. For others, the player was rewarded for accepting 6 years by
> getting a much larger bonus. I can't see Tannenbaum doing either of
> these things.

Are you implying that Tannenbaum is offering 5 year money for a 6
year contract? I doubt that. 6 year contracts do get larger
bonuses and I'd bet that tanbnenbaum offered a larger bonus than
any of the 5 year contracts within 2-3 slots of the Revis pick.

Glenn Greenstein · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 83

"graybeard" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 16:19:34 -0400 "Glenn Greenstein"
> wrote:
>
>>I was just looking at the first round and it seems 6 picks including #12,
>>Marshwyn Lynch, signed 6 year deals, while 8 signed 5 year.
>>I'd say considering that, Camp Revis can't out right not consider a 6 year
>>deal.
>
> Several of those 6 year deals included provisions to make the 6th year
> voidable, which for all intents and purposes turns them into 5 year
> deals. For others, the player was rewarded for accepting 6 years by
> getting a much larger bonus. I can't see Tannenbaum doing either of
> these things.
> --
> graybeard

The point is, the ground work is there for a 5 or 6 year deal. They need to
look at the market as to what is being done. I just hope Tannenbaum is not
looking exclusively at last season for his road map.
If the Jets really want to march to their own drum in these matters, they
should be the first to sign a deal every season so the agent can't point to
what others are being signed for.

Glenn Greenstein · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 83

"graybeard" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:55:50 GMT "Glenn Greenstein"
> wrote:
>
>>They need to
>>look at the market as to what is being done.
>
> I agree completely. Take a look at this site and tell me whether you
> really think they are:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yrgjv8
>
> Eliminating voidable years shows that only 2 out of the possible 16
> players eligible for 6 year contracts have actually received them.
> Meanwhile 3 more 1st round picks agreed to terms this weekend, leaving
> only JaMarcus Russell, Revis, and Brady Quinn unsigned. As the Cardinal
> O'Connor character on Imus in the Morning used to say, "Which doesn't
> belong and why?" A clue: Russell and Quinn were the 2 highest rated QB's
> in the draft.
I agree with you for the most part. It is really looking poor for the Jets
FO right now that they are still unable to get the #1 pick in camp. At some
point you have to give in.
This isn't a war.
> --
> graybeard

Glenn Greenstein · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 83

"graybeard" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:12:43 GMT "Glenn Greenstein"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"graybeard" wrote in message
>>@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:55:50 GMT "Glenn Greenstein"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>They need to
>>>>look at the market as to what is being done.
>>>
>>> I agree completely. Take a look at this site and tell me whether you
>>> really think they are:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/yrgjv8
>>>
>>> Eliminating voidable years shows that only 2 out of the possible 16
>>> players eligible for 6 year contracts have actually received them.
>>> Meanwhile 3 more 1st round picks agreed to terms this weekend, leaving
>>> only JaMarcus Russell, Revis, and Brady Quinn unsigned. As the Cardinal
>>> O'Connor character on Imus in the Morning used to say, "Which doesn't
>>> belong and why?" A clue: Russell and Quinn were the 2 highest rated QB's
>>> in the draft.
>
>>I agree with you for the most part. It is really looking poor for the Jets
>>FO right now that they are still unable to get the #1 pick in camp. At
>>some
>>point you have to give in.
>>This isn't a war.
>
> The thing is, if you look at the money values on that list the
> progression is so obvious that any two idiots should be able to quickly
> work out how to slot Revis in. Makes you wonder what the hell is really
> going on.
> --
> graybeard
Now that everyone has signed except the two big name QB's, I think
Tannenbaum really has some issues to deal with or he is being a stubborn
child, one or the other.

JMacF · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 9

"Glenn Greenstein" wrote in message $ax1.13510@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> "graybeard" wrote in message
> @4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:12:43 GMT "Glenn Greenstein"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"graybeard" wrote in message
>>>@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:55:50 GMT "Glenn Greenstein"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>They need to
>>>>>look at the market as to what is being done.
>>>>
>>>> I agree completely. Take a look at this site and tell me whether you
>>>> really think they are:
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/yrgjv8
>>>>
>>>> Eliminating voidable years shows that only 2 out of the possible 16
>>>> players eligible for 6 year contracts have actually received them.
>>>> Meanwhile 3 more 1st round picks agreed to terms this weekend, leaving
>>>> only JaMarcus Russell, Revis, and Brady Quinn unsigned. As the Cardinal
>>>> O'Connor character on Imus in the Morning used to say, "Which doesn't
>>>> belong and why?" A clue: Russell and Quinn were the 2 highest rated
>>>> QB's
>>>> in the draft.
>>
>>>I agree with you for the most part. It is really looking poor for the
>>>Jets
>>>FO right now that they are still unable to get the #1 pick in camp. At
>>>some
>>>point you have to give in.
>>>This isn't a war.
>>
>> The thing is, if you look at the money values on that list the
>> progression is so obvious that any two idiots should be able to quickly
>> work out how to slot Revis in. Makes you wonder what the hell is really
>> going on.
>> --
>> graybeard
> Now that everyone has signed except the two big name QB's, I think
> Tannenbaum really has some issues to deal with or he is being a stubborn
> child, one or the other.
>

Come on, Glenn. Since when have you accepted an agent's spin on a situation
as gospel? The Jets have made no comment on the situation - what makes you
think the conjecture you're reading is anything BUT spin? Tannenbaum has a
long history of getting tough contracts done, on time and fairly. The fact
that this is such an aberration should suggest that this isn't necessarily
the team's doing.

--
JMac
Section 107, Lot 18A

Rich - ® © · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 6

"JMacF" wrote in message $on.112@newsfe12.lga...
> "Glenn Greenstein" wrote in message
> $ax1.13510@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>> "graybeard" wrote in message
>> @4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:12:43 GMT "Glenn Greenstein"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"graybeard" wrote in message
>>>>@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:55:50 GMT "Glenn Greenstein"
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>They need to
>>>>>>look at the market as to what is being done.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree completely. Take a look at this site and tell me whether you
>>>>> really think they are:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/yrgjv8
>>>>>
>>>>> Eliminating voidable years shows that only 2 out of the possible 16
>>>>> players eligible for 6 year contracts have actually received them.
>>>>> Meanwhile 3 more 1st round picks agreed to terms this weekend, leaving
>>>>> only JaMarcus Russell, Revis, and Brady Quinn unsigned. As the
>>>>> Cardinal
>>>>> O'Connor character on Imus in the Morning used to say, "Which doesn't
>>>>> belong and why?" A clue: Russell and Quinn were the 2 highest rated
>>>>> QB's
>>>>> in the draft.
>>>
>>>>I agree with you for the most part. It is really looking poor for the
>>>>Jets
>>>>FO right now that they are still unable to get the #1 pick in camp. At
>>>>some
>>>>point you have to give in.
>>>>This isn't a war.
>>>
>>> The thing is, if you look at the money values on that list the
>>> progression is so obvious that any two idiots should be able to quickly
>>> work out how to slot Revis in. Makes you wonder what the hell is really
>>> going on.
>>> --
>>> graybeard
>> Now that everyone has signed except the two big name QB's, I think
>> Tannenbaum really has some issues to deal with or he is being a stubborn
>> child, one or the other.
>>
>
> Come on, Glenn. Since when have you accepted an agent's spin on a
> situation as gospel? The Jets have made no comment on the situation -
> what makes you think the conjecture you're reading is anything BUT spin?
> Tannenbaum has a long history of getting tough contracts done, on time and
> fairly. The fact that this is such an aberration should suggest that this
> isn't necessarily the team's doing.
>
> --
> JMac
> Section 107, Lot 18A

Or the team is rewarding Schwarz for the behavior of his other client (PK).
They realize that sooner or later Revis will fire him in order to get his
multi-million dollar $igning Bonus.

Control PK, or lose Revis? Could that be it?

Tutor · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 5

Rich - ® © wrote:
> "JMacF" wrote in message
> $on.112@newsfe12.lga...
>
>>"Glenn Greenstein" wrote in message
>>$ax1.13510@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>>>"graybeard" wrote in message
>>>@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:12:43 GMT "Glenn Greenstein"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"graybeard" wrote in message
>>>>>@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:55:50 GMT "Glenn Greenstein"
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They need to
>>>>>>>look at the market as to what is being done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I agree completely. Take a look at this site and tell me whether you
>>>>>>really think they are:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://tinyurl.com/yrgjv8
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Eliminating voidable years shows that only 2 out of the possible 16
>>>>>>players eligible for 6 year contracts have actually received them.
>>>>>>Meanwhile 3 more 1st round picks agreed to terms this weekend, leaving
>>>>>>only JaMarcus Russell, Revis, and Brady Quinn unsigned. As the
>>>>>>Cardinal
>>>>>>O'Connor character on Imus in the Morning used to say, "Which doesn't
>>>>>>belong and why?" A clue: Russell and Quinn were the 2 highest rated
>>>>>>QB's
>>>>>>in the draft.
>>>>
>>>>>I agree with you for the most part. It is really looking poor for the
>>>>>Jets
>>>>>FO right now that they are still unable to get the #1 pick in camp. At
>>>>>some
>>>>>point you have to give in.
>>>>>This isn't a war.
>>>>
>>>>The thing is, if you look at the money values on that list the
>>>>progression is so obvious that any two idiots should be able to quickly
>>>>work out how to slot Revis in. Makes you wonder what the hell is really
>>>>going on.
>>>>--
>>>>graybeard
>>>
>>>Now that everyone has signed except the two big name QB's, I think
>>>Tannenbaum really has some issues to deal with or he is being a stubborn
>>>child, one or the other.
>>>
>>
>>Come on, Glenn. Since when have you accepted an agent's spin on a
>>situation as gospel? The Jets have made no comment on the situation -
>>what makes you think the conjecture you're reading is anything BUT spin?
>>Tannenbaum has a long history of getting tough contracts done, on time and
>>fairly. The fact that this is such an aberration should suggest that this
>>isn't necessarily the team's doing.
>>
>>--
>>JMac
>>Section 107, Lot 18A
>
>
>
>
> Or the team is rewarding Schwarz for the behavior of his other client (PK).
> They realize that sooner or later Revis will fire him in order to get his
> multi-million dollar $igning Bonus.
>
> Control PK, or lose Revis? Could that be it?
>
>

Wow. That's good. Its diabolical. You have an evil mind.

Rich - ® © · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 6

>> Or the team is rewarding Schwarz for the behavior of his other client
>> (PK). They realize that sooner or later Revis will fire him in order to
>> get his multi-million dollar $igning Bonus.
>>
>> Control PK, or lose Revis? Could that be it?
>
> Wow. That's good. Its diabolical. You have an evil mind.

There has to be a method to their madness. They would not do this just to
be unique, or get their bully/tough guy creds. They have a history of
getting these guys signed and in camp on time. This is the only reason I
could come up with that makes any sense to me.

Rich

Glenn Greenstein · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 83

"JMacF" wrote in message $on.112@newsfe12.lga...
> "Glenn Greenstein" wrote in message
> $ax1.13510@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>> "graybeard" wrote in message
>> @4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:12:43 GMT "Glenn Greenstein"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"graybeard" wrote in message
>>>>@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:55:50 GMT "Glenn Greenstein"
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>They need to
>>>>>>look at the market as to what is being done.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree completely. Take a look at this site and tell me whether you
>>>>> really think they are:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/yrgjv8
>>>>>
>>>>> Eliminating voidable years shows that only 2 out of the possible 16
>>>>> players eligible for 6 year contracts have actually received them.
>>>>> Meanwhile 3 more 1st round picks agreed to terms this weekend, leaving
>>>>> only JaMarcus Russell, Revis, and Brady Quinn unsigned. As the
>>>>> Cardinal
>>>>> O'Connor character on Imus in the Morning used to say, "Which doesn't
>>>>> belong and why?" A clue: Russell and Quinn were the 2 highest rated
>>>>> QB's
>>>>> in the draft.
>>>
>>>>I agree with you for the most part. It is really looking poor for the
>>>>Jets
>>>>FO right now that they are still unable to get the #1 pick in camp. At
>>>>some
>>>>point you have to give in.
>>>>This isn't a war.
>>>
>>> The thing is, if you look at the money values on that list the
>>> progression is so obvious that any two idiots should be able to quickly
>>> work out how to slot Revis in. Makes you wonder what the hell is really
>>> going on.
>>> --
>>> graybeard
>> Now that everyone has signed except the two big name QB's, I think
>> Tannenbaum really has some issues to deal with or he is being a stubborn
>> child, one or the other.
>>
>
> Come on, Glenn. Since when have you accepted an agent's spin on a
> situation as gospel? The Jets have made no comment on the situation -
> what makes you think the conjecture you're reading is anything BUT spin?
> Tannenbaum has a long history of getting tough contracts done, on time and
> fairly. The fact that this is such an aberration should suggest that this
> isn't necessarily the team's doing.
>
> --
> JMac
> Section 107, Lot 18A
>
I think it is. Da Brick and Pennington are up in the 5th year. I think the
Jets don't want to deal with signing three #1 picks in the same year.

JMacF · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 9

"Glenn Greenstein" wrote in message $ax1.13920@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> "JMacF" wrote in message
> $on.112@newsfe12.lga...
>> "Glenn Greenstein" wrote in message
>> $ax1.13510@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>
>>> "graybeard" wrote in message
>>> @4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:12:43 GMT "Glenn Greenstein"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"graybeard" wrote in message
>>>>>@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:55:50 GMT "Glenn Greenstein"
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They need to
>>>>>>>look at the market as to what is being done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree completely. Take a look at this site and tell me whether you
>>>>>> really think they are:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/yrgjv8
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eliminating voidable years shows that only 2 out of the possible 16
>>>>>> players eligible for 6 year contracts have actually received them.
>>>>>> Meanwhile 3 more 1st round picks agreed to terms this weekend,
>>>>>> leaving
>>>>>> only JaMarcus Russell, Revis, and Brady Quinn unsigned. As the
>>>>>> Cardinal
>>>>>> O'Connor character on Imus in the Morning used to say, "Which doesn't
>>>>>> belong and why?" A clue: Russell and Quinn were the 2 highest rated
>>>>>> QB's
>>>>>> in the draft.
>>>>
>>>>>I agree with you for the most part. It is really looking poor for the
>>>>>Jets
>>>>>FO right now that they are still unable to get the #1 pick in camp. At
>>>>>some
>>>>>point you have to give in.
>>>>>This isn't a war.
>>>>
>>>> The thing is, if you look at the money values on that list the
>>>> progression is so obvious that any two idiots should be able to quickly
>>>> work out how to slot Revis in. Makes you wonder what the hell is really
>>>> going on.
>>>> --
>>>> graybeard
>>> Now that everyone has signed except the two big name QB's, I think
>>> Tannenbaum really has some issues to deal with or he is being a stubborn
>>> child, one or the other.
>>>
>>
>> Come on, Glenn. Since when have you accepted an agent's spin on a
>> situation as gospel? The Jets have made no comment on the situation -
>> what makes you think the conjecture you're reading is anything BUT spin?
>> Tannenbaum has a long history of getting tough contracts done, on time
>> and fairly. The fact that this is such an aberration should suggest that
>> this isn't necessarily the team's doing.
>>
>> --
>> JMac
>> Section 107, Lot 18A
>>
> I think it is. Da Brick and Pennington are up in the 5th year. I think the
> Jets don't want to deal with signing three #1 picks in the same year.
>

Assuming we still want them then, they'll both be re-signed long before that
5th year starts.

--
JMac
Section 107, Lot 18A

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