Williams on Saunders

Rast · Joined: 28 Aug 2007 Posts: 20

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/01/a_new_era.html

"(Gregg Williams wanted to keep Saunders as OC - he had back-up plans,
including Zorn, but Al was his first choice for the good of Campbell,
league sources said. He would have made Al focus more and curtail his
legendary 700-page playbook, rather than force Campbell to start all over
again.)"

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Jim Carr · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 111

Rast wrote:
> http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/01/a_new_era.html
>
> "(Gregg Williams wanted to keep Saunders as OC - he had back-up plans,
> including Zorn, but Al was his first choice for the good of Campbell,
> league sources said. He would have made Al focus more and curtail his
> legendary 700-page playbook, rather than force Campbell to start all over
> again.)"

Well, that would at least partially explain Danny's resistance to Williams.

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Valjean · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 86

But what it can't explain is your utter resistance to all reasoned
explanations.

"Jim Carr" wrote in message
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> Rast wrote:
>> http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/01/a_new_era.html
>>
>> "(Gregg Williams wanted to keep Saunders as OC - he had back-up plans,
>> including Zorn, but Al was his first choice for the good of Campbell,
>> league sources said. He would have made Al focus more and curtail his
>> legendary 700-page playbook, rather than force Campbell to start all over
>> again.)"
>
> Well, that would at least partially explain Danny's resistance to
> Williams.
>
>
> --
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Jim Carr · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 111

Valjean wrote:
> But what it can't explain is your utter resistance to all reasoned
> explanations.

Yeh, that makes sense.

The Williams situation is a lot like the Ramsey situation. Everybody
here would yack about how Ramsey could easily be a starter around the
league while I said he was a bench warmer. Look what's happened to him
since he left.

Same with Williams. People here think he's HC material. I don't. We'll
see how quickly if ever he gets another HC job.

Valjean · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 86

Maybe so. I happen to think this has a lot to do with the mistake made with
Petitbon. That Williams has already been a head coach with such a dismal
record sort of makes him well-qualified to be a well-advertised
sacrificial--well, mea culpa, anyhow--lamb.

"Jim Carr" wrote in message $Nz7.93@newsfe11.phx...
> Valjean wrote:
>> But what it can't explain is your utter resistance to all reasoned
>> explanations.
>
> Yeh, that makes sense.
>
> The Williams situation is a lot like the Ramsey situation. Everybody here
> would yack about how Ramsey could easily be a starter around the league
> while I said he was a bench warmer. Look what's happened to him since he
> left.
>
> Same with Williams. People here think he's HC material. I don't. We'll see
> how quickly if ever he gets another HC job.

ldnayman · Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 45

On Jan 30, 3:30�pm, "Valjean" wrote:
> Maybe so. I happen to think this has a lot to do with the mistake made with
> Petitbon. That Williams has already been a head coach with such a dismal
> record sort of makes him well-qualified to be a well-advertised
> sacrificial--well, mea culpa, anyhow--lamb.
>

Val - how can you compare this with Pettibone?! Because they were both
defensive coaches? That's a bit of a stretch.

Jim Carr · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 111

ldnayman wrote:
> On Jan 30, 3:30�pm, "Valjean" wrote:
>> Maybe so. I happen to think this has a lot to do with the mistake made with
>> Petitbon. That Williams has already been a head coach with such a dismal
>> record sort of makes him well-qualified to be a well-advertised
>> sacrificial--well, mea culpa, anyhow--lamb.
>>
>
> Val - how can you compare this with Pettibone?! Because they were both
> defensive coaches? That's a bit of a stretch.

I hate to defend Val, but there are are similarities. In both cases
Gibbs unexpectedly quit leaving a 9-7 team that made the playoffs.

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DOUGLASS · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 47

"Jim Carr" wrote in message $Nz7.93@newsfe11.phx...
> Valjean wrote:
>> But what it can't explain is your utter resistance to all reasoned
>> explanations.
>
> Yeh, that makes sense.
>
> The Williams situation is a lot like the Ramsey situation. Everybody here
> would yack about how Ramsey could easily be a starter around the league
> while I said he was a bench warmer. Look what's happened to him since he
> left.
>
> Same with Williams. People here think he's HC material. I don't. We'll see
> how quickly if ever he gets another HC job.

Williams would be a defensive Turner

Jim Carr · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 111

DOUGLASS wrote:
> "Jim Carr" wrote in message
> $Nz7.93@newsfe11.phx...
>> Valjean wrote:
>>> But what it can't explain is your utter resistance to all reasoned
>>> explanations.
>> Yeh, that makes sense.
>>
>> The Williams situation is a lot like the Ramsey situation. Everybody here
>> would yack about how Ramsey could easily be a starter around the league
>> while I said he was a bench warmer. Look what's happened to him since he
>> left.
>>
>> Same with Williams. People here think he's HC material. I don't. We'll see
>> how quickly if ever he gets another HC job.
>
> Williams would be a defensive Turner

Except he'd create a better defense, wreck it in three years, then
create another great defense.

Go to www.Pro-Football-Reference.com and look at the roster Dallas had
when Turner was a genius. We all know he had Smith, Aikman, Irvin, and
Novacek. Those guys were all top notch players.

Go look at the offensive line. Look how many made the Pro Bowl
*repeatedly*. Look at how long they had all been together in Dallas
before Norv worked his magic. You'll recognize a lot of the names
immediately.

If any offensive coordinator had those players and didn't produce a top
5 offense every year, you'd fire him. Turner was/is a slightly better
than average OC who is *still* riding the success of the Perfect Storm
of players he had in Dallas.

Sure, the Chargers did okay in the playoffs, but that was because of
their defense. If they didn't set a record for INTs this year, I bet
they came close. They were #1 with 30 INTs. The #2 team had 22.

Last year Mr. Conservative's offense was #1 in points and #5 in yards.
This Norv trashed it. They dropped to #5 in points and, get this, #20 in
yards. C'mon. The defense gave you almost 2 INTs per game!!

Sorry to rant, but Norv is so incredibly overrated it's not even funny
anymore.

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John Kulp · Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 134

On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 05:51:34 GMT, "DOUGLASS"
wrote:

>
>"Jim Carr" wrote in message
>$Nz7.93@newsfe11.phx...
>> Valjean wrote:
>>> But what it can't explain is your utter resistance to all reasoned
>>> explanations.
>>
>> Yeh, that makes sense.
>>
>> The Williams situation is a lot like the Ramsey situation. Everybody here
>> would yack about how Ramsey could easily be a starter around the league
>> while I said he was a bench warmer. Look what's happened to him since he
>> left.
>>
>> Same with Williams. People here think he's HC material. I don't. We'll see
>> how quickly if ever he gets another HC job.
>
>Williams would be a defensive Turner
>
>

You mean he would go to the playoffs in his first year like Turner did
this year?

Jim Carr · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 111

John Kulp wrote:

> You mean he would go to the playoffs in his first year like Turner did
> this year?

Sure, if he inherits a 14-2 team and helps them backslide to 11-5.

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Walter Bushell · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 52

In article ,
Jim Carr wrote:

> John Kulp wrote:
>
> > You mean he would go to the playoffs in his first year like Turner did
> > this year?
>
> Sure, if he inherits a 14-2 team and helps them backslide to 11-5.

But they did win a playoff game, which counts more than record. We
expect some back sliding from previous year if very successful with a
new coach and system.

Jim Carr · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 111

Walter Bushell wrote:
> In article ,
> Jim Carr wrote:
>
>> John Kulp wrote:
>>
>>> You mean he would go to the playoffs in his first year like Turner did
>>> this year?
>> Sure, if he inherits a 14-2 team and helps them backslide to 11-5.
>
> But they did win a playoff game, which counts more than record. We
> expect some back sliding from previous year if very successful with a
> new coach and system.

Team A advances to the second round based on their regular season record.

Team B advances to the second round by winning in the first round.

Which would you prefer? I'll take the first scenario. It's more fun to
watch during the regular season, and I like my team getting a week to rest.

Norv took that team backwards and will continue to do so. Mark my words.

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John Kulp · Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 134

On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:39:11 -0500, Walter Bushell
wrote:

>In article ,
> Jim Carr wrote:
>
>> John Kulp wrote:
>>
>> > You mean he would go to the playoffs in his first year like Turner did
>> > this year?
>>
>> Sure, if he inherits a 14-2 team and helps them backslide to 11-5.
>
>But they did win a playoff game, which counts more than record. We
>expect some back sliding from previous year if very successful with a
>new coach and system.

And never mind they had a different schedule, different injuries, some
different players and all the rest. This goes right over statboy's
head.

Jim Carr · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 111

John Kulp wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:39:11 -0500, Walter Bushell
> wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>> Jim Carr wrote:
>>
>>> John Kulp wrote:
>>>
>>>> You mean he would go to the playoffs in his first year like Turner did
>>>> this year?
>>> Sure, if he inherits a 14-2 team and helps them backslide to 11-5.
>> But they did win a playoff game, which counts more than record. We
>> expect some back sliding from previous year if very successful with a
>> new coach and system.
>
> And never mind they had a different schedule, different injuries, some
> different players and all the rest. This goes right over statboy's
> head.

Still afraid to man-up, Kulp? You gotta nip at my ankles? Is that how
they taught you to do it in the Army?

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