Zorn?

RichL · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 50

First, it's official. According to the Redskins' web site, Jim Zorn is
the new head coach.

Second, it didn't take long for wikipedia to absorb the news:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Zorn

The first sentence reads as follows: "James Arthur "Jim" Zorn (born May
10, 1953 in Whittier, California, USA), is a former professional
football player and current head coach of the Washington Redskins."

Is it just me, or does this seem anticlimactic? Almost three weeks of
drama, only to end in this? I may be wrong, but it all comes across to
me as if Danny's real preferences turned him down. Zorn has no
experience at all as a coordinator, let alone a head coach. Even though
Gibbs was presumably "obscure" when hired as the HC in 1981, he had
already had 2 years as OC for the Chargers before he was hired.

Ah well, let's hope things turn out well. Stranger things have
happened.

Archived from group: alt>sports>football>pro>wash-redskins

John Kulp · Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 134

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:46:44 GMT, "RichL" wrote:

>First, it's official. According to the Redskins' web site, Jim Zorn is
>the new head coach.
>
>Second, it didn't take long for wikipedia to absorb the news:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Zorn
>
>The first sentence reads as follows: "James Arthur "Jim" Zorn (born May
>10, 1953 in Whittier, California, USA), is a former professional
>football player and current head coach of the Washington Redskins."
>
>Is it just me, or does this seem anticlimactic? Almost three weeks of
>drama, only to end in this? I may be wrong, but it all comes across to
>me as if Danny's real preferences turned him down. Zorn has no
>experience at all as a coordinator, let alone a head coach. Even though
>Gibbs was presumably "obscure" when hired as the HC in 1981, he had
>already had 2 years as OC for the Chargers before he was hired.
>
>Ah well, let's hope things turn out well. Stranger things have
>happened.
>
>

No offense meant to Zorn who, hopefully, will work out fine, but this
is the direct result of Snyder and his idiotic meddling all these
years. Fact is, he managed to turn one of the premier jobs in the NFL
into one nobody wanted. The only surprise is that he finally found
someone who would take it. World class management this, fitting
Carr's warped view of the NFL perfectly.

Bill Delmore · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 33

I guess he did such a great job as the OC for 10 days that they decided to
promote him. Promotion from within - what an organization! Nothing against
Zorn but I struggle to think of a NFL QB that made a great NFL HC. Can
anyone think of one? Don't say Spurrier or Otto Graham. The Skins
management is just dreadful - right out of the Godfather movie where Vinny
plays Barzini and Danny is the pimp Bruno Tataglia.

"John Kulp" wrote in message @news20.forteinc.com...
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:46:44 GMT, "RichL" wrote:
>
>>First, it's official. According to the Redskins' web site, Jim Zorn is
>>the new head coach.
>>
>>Second, it didn't take long for wikipedia to absorb the news:
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Zorn
>>
>>The first sentence reads as follows: "James Arthur "Jim" Zorn (born May
>>10, 1953 in Whittier, California, USA), is a former professional
>>football player and current head coach of the Washington Redskins."
>>
>>Is it just me, or does this seem anticlimactic? Almost three weeks of
>>drama, only to end in this? I may be wrong, but it all comes across to
>>me as if Danny's real preferences turned him down. Zorn has no
>>experience at all as a coordinator, let alone a head coach. Even though
>>Gibbs was presumably "obscure" when hired as the HC in 1981, he had
>>already had 2 years as OC for the Chargers before he was hired.
>>
>>Ah well, let's hope things turn out well. Stranger things have
>>happened.
>>
>>
>
> No offense meant to Zorn who, hopefully, will work out fine, but this
> is the direct result of Snyder and his idiotic meddling all these
> years. Fact is, he managed to turn one of the premier jobs in the NFL
> into one nobody wanted. The only surprise is that he finally found
> someone who would take it. World class management this, fitting
> Carr's warped view of the NFL perfectly.

Diamondback · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 16

We're talking pro quarterbacks who did well as pro coaches, right?

Bart Starr (his best season was 5-3-1 in 1982, and he even won a 1st round
playoff game in GB, but never won more than 8 games)

"Bill Delmore" wrote in message $M24.14559@newsfe17.lga...
>I guess he did such a great job as the OC for 10 days that they decided to
>promote him. Promotion from within - what an organization! Nothing
>against Zorn but I struggle to think of a NFL QB that made a great NFL HC.
>Can anyone think of one? Don't say Spurrier or Otto Graham. The Skins
>management is just dreadful - right out of the Godfather movie where Vinny
>plays Barzini and Danny is the pimp Bruno Tataglia.
>
> "John Kulp" wrote in message
> @news20.forteinc.com...
>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:46:44 GMT, "RichL" wrote:
>>
>>>First, it's official. According to the Redskins' web site, Jim Zorn is
>>>the new head coach.
>>>
>>>Second, it didn't take long for wikipedia to absorb the news:
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Zorn
>>>
>>>The first sentence reads as follows: "James Arthur "Jim" Zorn (born May
>>>10, 1953 in Whittier, California, USA), is a former professional
>>>football player and current head coach of the Washington Redskins."
>>>
>>>Is it just me, or does this seem anticlimactic? Almost three weeks of
>>>drama, only to end in this? I may be wrong, but it all comes across to
>>>me as if Danny's real preferences turned him down. Zorn has no
>>>experience at all as a coordinator, let alone a head coach. Even though
>>>Gibbs was presumably "obscure" when hired as the HC in 1981, he had
>>>already had 2 years as OC for the Chargers before he was hired.
>>>
>>>Ah well, let's hope things turn out well. Stranger things have
>>>happened.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No offense meant to Zorn who, hopefully, will work out fine, but this
>> is the direct result of Snyder and his idiotic meddling all these
>> years. Fact is, he managed to turn one of the premier jobs in the NFL
>> into one nobody wanted. The only surprise is that he finally found
>> someone who would take it. World class management this, fitting
>> Carr's warped view of the NFL perfectly.
>
>

John Kulp · Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 134

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:36:27 -0500, "Bill Delmore"
wrote:

>I guess he did such a great job as the OC for 10 days that they decided to
>promote him. Promotion from within - what an organization! Nothing against
>Zorn but I struggle to think of a NFL QB that made a great NFL HC. Can
>anyone think of one? Don't say Spurrier or Otto Graham. The Skins
>management is just dreadful - right out of the Godfather movie where Vinny
>plays Barzini and Danny is the pimp Bruno Tataglia.

Well, it was continuity you have to admit.

Bill Delmore · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 33

Zorn becomes the only undefeated former OC that made HC in NFL history. He
may also have been the only coach on the Skins still on speaking terms with
Danny and Vinny. Bart Starr was kind to his mother. He is not what I would
consider a top flight NFL HC.

"John Kulp" wrote in message @news20.forteinc.com...
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:36:27 -0500, "Bill Delmore"
> wrote:
>
>>I guess he did such a great job as the OC for 10 days that they decided to
>>promote him. Promotion from within - what an organization! Nothing
>>against
>>Zorn but I struggle to think of a NFL QB that made a great NFL HC. Can
>>anyone think of one? Don't say Spurrier or Otto Graham. The Skins
>>management is just dreadful - right out of the Godfather movie where Vinny
>>plays Barzini and Danny is the pimp Bruno Tataglia.
>
> Well, it was continuity you have to admit.

Valjean · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 86

And you, who're kind to no one, says so!??? Why not just play Madden NFL,
using Holmgren's playbook for Washington, and see.

"Bill Delmore" wrote in message $M24.9814@newsfe17.lga...
> Zorn becomes the only undefeated former OC that made HC in NFL history.
> He may also have been the only coach on the Skins still on speaking terms
> with Danny and Vinny. Bart Starr was kind to his mother. He is not what
> I would consider a top flight NFL HC.
>
> "John Kulp" wrote in message
> @news20.forteinc.com...
>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:36:27 -0500, "Bill Delmore"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I guess he did such a great job as the OC for 10 days that they decided
>>>to
>>>promote him. Promotion from within - what an organization! Nothing
>>>against
>>>Zorn but I struggle to think of a NFL QB that made a great NFL HC. Can
>>>anyone think of one? Don't say Spurrier or Otto Graham. The Skins
>>>management is just dreadful - right out of the Godfather movie where
>>>Vinny
>>>plays Barzini and Danny is the pimp Bruno Tataglia.
>>
>> Well, it was continuity you have to admit.
>
>

DOUGLASS · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 47

"John Kulp" wrote in message @news20.forteinc.com...
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:46:44 GMT, "RichL" wrote:
>
>>First, it's official. According to the Redskins' web site, Jim Zorn is
>>the new head coach.
>>
>>Second, it didn't take long for wikipedia to absorb the news:
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Zorn
>>
>>The first sentence reads as follows: "James Arthur "Jim" Zorn (born May
>>10, 1953 in Whittier, California, USA), is a former professional
>>football player and current head coach of the Washington Redskins."
>>
>>Is it just me, or does this seem anticlimactic? Almost three weeks of
>>drama, only to end in this? I may be wrong, but it all comes across to
>>me as if Danny's real preferences turned him down. Zorn has no
>>experience at all as a coordinator, let alone a head coach. Even though
>>Gibbs was presumably "obscure" when hired as the HC in 1981, he had
>>already had 2 years as OC for the Chargers before he was hired.
>>
>>Ah well, let's hope things turn out well. Stranger things have
>>happened.
>>
>>
>
> No offense meant to Zorn who, hopefully, will work out fine, but this
> is the direct result of Snyder and his idiotic meddling all these
> years. Fact is, he managed to turn one of the premier jobs in the NFL
> into one nobody wanted. The only surprise is that he finally found
> someone who would take it. World class management this, fitting
> Carr's warped view of the NFL perfectly.

If he had offered the job to them a few coaches would have taken the job
ill list a few

Fassell
Mooch
Meeks
Spags
mora JR
Cowher
Carroll

Im sure if snyder offered a contract to any one of them they would have
taken it

Snyder of old would not have let the first man he interviewed out of town
which shows he is changing

DOUGLASS · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 47

Sam Wyche ring a bell had a few good seasons in cincy then when he left
they tanked big time
"Bill Delmore" wrote in message $M24.14559@newsfe17.lga...
>I guess he did such a great job as the OC for 10 days that they decided to
>promote him. Promotion from within - what an organization! Nothing
>against Zorn but I struggle to think of a NFL QB that made a great NFL HC.
>Can anyone think of one? Don't say Spurrier or Otto Graham. The Skins
>management is just dreadful - right out of the Godfather movie where Vinny
>plays Barzini and Danny is the pimp Bruno Tataglia.
>
> "John Kulp" wrote in message
> @news20.forteinc.com...
>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:46:44 GMT, "RichL" wrote:
>>
>>>First, it's official. According to the Redskins' web site, Jim Zorn is
>>>the new head coach.
>>>
>>>Second, it didn't take long for wikipedia to absorb the news:
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Zorn
>>>
>>>The first sentence reads as follows: "James Arthur "Jim" Zorn (born May
>>>10, 1953 in Whittier, California, USA), is a former professional
>>>football player and current head coach of the Washington Redskins."
>>>
>>>Is it just me, or does this seem anticlimactic? Almost three weeks of
>>>drama, only to end in this? I may be wrong, but it all comes across to
>>>me as if Danny's real preferences turned him down. Zorn has no
>>>experience at all as a coordinator, let alone a head coach. Even though
>>>Gibbs was presumably "obscure" when hired as the HC in 1981, he had
>>>already had 2 years as OC for the Chargers before he was hired.
>>>
>>>Ah well, let's hope things turn out well. Stranger things have
>>>happened.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No offense meant to Zorn who, hopefully, will work out fine, but this
>> is the direct result of Snyder and his idiotic meddling all these
>> years. Fact is, he managed to turn one of the premier jobs in the NFL
>> into one nobody wanted. The only surprise is that he finally found
>> someone who would take it. World class management this, fitting
>> Carr's warped view of the NFL perfectly.
>
>

RichL · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 50

DOUGLASS wrote:
> "John Kulp" wrote in message
> @news20.forteinc.com...
>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:46:44 GMT, "RichL"
>> wrote:
>>
>>> First, it's official. According to the Redskins' web site, Jim
>>> Zorn is the new head coach.
>>>
>>> Second, it didn't take long for wikipedia to absorb the news:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Zorn
>>>
>>> The first sentence reads as follows: "James Arthur "Jim" Zorn
>>> (born May 10, 1953 in Whittier, California, USA), is a former
>>> professional football player and current head coach of the
>>> Washington Redskins."
>>>
>>> Is it just me, or does this seem anticlimactic? Almost three weeks
>>> of drama, only to end in this? I may be wrong, but it all comes
>>> across to me as if Danny's real preferences turned him down. Zorn
>>> has no experience at all as a coordinator, let alone a head coach.
>>> Even though Gibbs was presumably "obscure" when hired as the HC in
>>> 1981, he had already had 2 years as OC for the Chargers before he
>>> was hired.
>>>
>>> Ah well, let's hope things turn out well. Stranger things have
>>> happened.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No offense meant to Zorn who, hopefully, will work out fine, but this
>> is the direct result of Snyder and his idiotic meddling all these
>> years. Fact is, he managed to turn one of the premier jobs in the
>> NFL into one nobody wanted. The only surprise is that he finally
>> found someone who would take it. World class management this,
>> fitting Carr's warped view of the NFL perfectly.
>
>
> If he had offered the job to them a few coaches would have taken the
> job ill list a few
>
> Fassell
> Mooch
> Meeks
> Spags
> mora JR
> Cowher
> Carroll
>
> Im sure if snyder offered a contract to any one of them they would
> have taken it
>
> Snyder of old would not have let the first man he interviewed out of
> town which shows he is changing

Utter nonsense. There's no evidence whatsoever that *any* of these
would have taken the job, and in fact it's pretty clear that several of
them backed out.

John Kulp · Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 134

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 02:41:39 GMT, "RichL" wrote:

>DOUGLASS wrote:

>>> No offense meant to Zorn who, hopefully, will work out fine, but this
>>> is the direct result of Snyder and his idiotic meddling all these
>>> years. Fact is, he managed to turn one of the premier jobs in the
>>> NFL into one nobody wanted. The only surprise is that he finally
>>> found someone who would take it. World class management this,
>>> fitting Carr's warped view of the NFL perfectly.
>>
>>
>> If he had offered the job to them a few coaches would have taken the
>> job ill list a few
>>
>> Fassell
>> Mooch
>> Meeks
>> Spags
>> mora JR
>> Cowher
>> Carroll
>>
>> Im sure if snyder offered a contract to any one of them they would
>> have taken it
>>
>> Snyder of old would not have let the first man he interviewed out of
>> town which shows he is changing
>
>Utter nonsense. There's no evidence whatsoever that *any* of these
>would have taken the job, and in fact it's pretty clear that several of
>them backed out.

Snyder's so bad, some of them never got in in the first place.

Jim Carr · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 111

RichL wrote:

> Utter nonsense. There's no evidence whatsoever that *any* of these
> would have taken the job, and in fact it's pretty clear that several of
> them backed out.

Speculation.

--
Write a wise saying and your name will live forever.
- Anonymous

RichL · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 50

Jim Carr wrote:
> RichL wrote:
>
>> Utter nonsense. There's no evidence whatsoever that *any* of these
>> would have taken the job, and in fact it's pretty clear that several
>> of them backed out.
>
> Speculation.

Mora and Spaguolo clearly backed out. Publicly available information,
not speculation.

Jim Carr · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 111

RichL wrote:
> Jim Carr wrote:
>> RichL wrote:
>>
>>> Utter nonsense. There's no evidence whatsoever that *any* of these
>>> would have taken the job, and in fact it's pretty clear that several
>>> of them backed out.
>> Speculation.
>
> Mora and Spaguolo clearly backed out. Publicly available information,
> not speculation.

First, "two" is not "several". Second, it's still speculation. All of
it. Your premise and his.

James Duncan · Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Posts: 15

"DOUGLASS" wrote in message $qV2.742@trnddc04...
>
> "John Kulp" wrote in message
> @news20.forteinc.com...
>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:46:44 GMT, "RichL" wrote:
>>
>>>First, it's official. According to the Redskins' web site, Jim Zorn is
>>>the new head coach.

> If he had offered the job to them a few coaches would have taken the job
> ill list a few
>
> Fassell

Definitely would have taken it.

> Mooch

Most likely would have accepted the job.

> Meeks

Almost certainly would have taken the job.

> Spags

Definitely would not. He declined to discuss the position any further and
returned to the Giants.

> mora JR

> Cowher

If Cowher would have accepted, he'd be the Redskins head coach now. He's
not ready to get back into coaching yet, and if he was, he'd want to pick
his own people, not a pre-assembled staff that Snyder/Cerrato have put
together for him.

> Carroll

Not happening.

> Im sure if snyder offered a contract to any one of them they would have
> taken it

Maybe if he'd offered $10 million a year with a $10 million signing bonus,
some of the ones who rejected the position might have given it some
consideration, but even then some of them probably wouldn't have been
persuaded.

> Snyder of old would not have let the first man he interviewed out of town
> which shows he is changing

I'm not sure that would have been a bad thing. We'd have gotten Jim
Schwartz, and might still have been able to get Zorn as the OC and QB coach.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=4436DA92E001E929CDAD31DB33C09D32?id=09000d5d805e32e6&template=without-video&confirm=true

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