Rush Limbaugh resigns from ESPN Gameday

Kurgan Gringioni · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 66

"Mpoconnor7" wrote in message@mb-m18.aol.com...
>
> Another reason is that there is no watchdog organization for protecting
against
> the stereotyping of white people like the NAACP does for African Americans;
> there is nobody on the white side of the fence like a Jesse Jackson or Al
> Sharpton to cry "racism" at the drop of a hat and threaten boycotts and
pickets
> and protests and lawsuits until justice is served.

The reason for that is the majority is in a position to harm the minority
while the reverse is not true.

The Founding Fathers of our country understood the possibilities of tyranny
by the majority. That's why they made the Senate a more powerful body than
the House of Representatives.

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Kurgan Gringioni · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 66

"Mpoconnor7" wrote in message@mb-m27.aol.com...
> I didn't have time to comment on this as I had some errands to run, but I
think
> the anti-Rush crowd has been waiting in vain for him to say something that
they
> could seize upon and use to get him kicked off that show. And I'm not a
fan of
> his radio show in the first place; I haven't ever listened to it for more
than
> about two minutes.
>
> If Tom Jackson or Michael Irvin had made the same exact comment, nobody
would
> have lost their jobs

Tom Jackson would never say that. The rumour is that he forced the issue -
saying that if Rush didn't quit, he would.

Kurgan Gringioni · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 66

"santolina" wrote in message$dpldr$1@ID-78591.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
>
> Maybe, but we're talking about two separate issues. One is whether McNabb
> is overrated, and I myself would even agree with that to some degree. The
> second, and most important, issue is that Limbaugh connected McNabb's
> alleged overratedness to his race. If there is even the tiniest scintilla
> of evidence for this conjecture I'm willing to hear it.

Fat Limbaugh said that the media is desirous of having a successful black
quarterback.

So then why do guys like Akili Smith, Kordell Stewart, Andre Ware, Quincy
Carter, et. al. take a beating in the media?

Why is that?

Why is that, Michael O'Conner, Renaissance Man?

BDarnell1966 · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 12

If Stewart, or Smith or Carter were white they wouldnt be in the nfl.
Brad

Tarkus · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 167

On 04 Oct 2003 12:57:15 GMT, BDarnell1966 wrote:

> If Stewart, or Smith or Carter were white they wouldnt be in the nfl.

That might be the dumbest thing said in this entire thread.

Congratulations.
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Isaac · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 26

On 3 Oct 2003 05:12:38 GMT, James M. Gibson wrote:
> mpoconnor7@aol.comnojunk (Mpoconnor7) wrote in
> @mb-m01.aol.com:
>
>
>> How about that infamous sermon that Rev. Reggie White delivered to a
>> congregation a few years back that stereotyped every ethnic group
>> including whites, blacks, gays, orientals and mexicans to name a
>> few; a tape of it got out to the media and I have a copy of it
>> somewhere in my video collection. IIRC, he mentioned that Mexicans
>> are good at fitting 35 people in a single house, and that orientals
>> were good at putting a TV on a watch or something like that. Was he
>> disciplined by the NFL for making such a series of offensive
>> comments? Nope.
>
>
> Reggie White certainly caught a lot of media flak for that one. Is it a
> double standard that he was not suspended by the NFL while Rocker was by
> baseball? No, those are two separate entities. So you can't really say
> for sure what would have happened if they worked for the same league.

Didn't Reggie lose an announcing gig on CBS because of his comments? Sounds
pretty much like what happened to Rush.

Isaac

R. Tang · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

In article ,
Isaac wrote:
>On 3 Oct 2003 05:12:38 GMT, James M. Gibson wrote:
>> mpoconnor7@aol.comnojunk (Mpoconnor7) wrote in
>> @mb-m01.aol.com:
>>
>>
>>> How about that infamous sermon that Rev. Reggie White delivered to a
>>> congregation a few years back that stereotyped every ethnic group
>>> including whites, blacks, gays, orientals and mexicans to name a
>>> few; a tape of it got out to the media and I have a copy of it
>>> somewhere in my video collection. IIRC, he mentioned that Mexicans
>>> are good at fitting 35 people in a single house, and that orientals
>>> were good at putting a TV on a watch or something like that. Was he
>>> disciplined by the NFL for making such a series of offensive
>>> comments? Nope.
>>
>>
>> Reggie White certainly caught a lot of media flak for that one. Is it a
>> double standard that he was not suspended by the NFL while Rocker was by
>> baseball? No, those are two separate entities. So you can't really say
>> for sure what would have happened if they worked for the same league.
>
>Didn't Reggie lose an announcing gig on CBS because of his comments? Sounds
>pretty much like what happened to Rush.

Yeah, it did.

Charles Barkley DID get a free pass from the media for his "I hate
white people" comment. Think they left the retribution to his wife,
Maureen...who's white.
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Tarkus · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 167

On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 21:29:23 GMT, Isaac wrote:

> Didn't Reggie lose an announcing gig on CBS because of his comments?
> Sounds pretty much like what happened to Rush.

Exactly. Thanks for reminding me.
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Gary Rosen · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 71

"Mpoconnor7" wrote in message@mb-m27.aol.com...
> I didn't have time to comment on this as I had some errands to run, but I
think
> the anti-Rush crowd has been waiting in vain for him to say something that
they
> could seize upon and use to get him kicked off that show. And I'm not a
fan of
> his radio show in the first place; I haven't ever listened to it for more
than
> about two minutes.
>
> If Tom Jackson or Michael Irvin had made the same exact comment, nobody
would
> have lost their jobs and there would be no picketing and protests, and
they
> would have wound up in Rudy Martzke USA Today TV Sports column under the
> "strongest comments" category. I seriously doubt we would have seen Al
> Sharpton calling for Tom Jackson or Michael Irvin to be fired from ESPN
for
> making that comment. It's good to see that double standards are alive and
well
> in this country.
>
> I think there was some truth in what Rush said. If McNabb had managed to
have
> won one of the two NFC Championship games that his team lost in 2001 and
2002,
> and had gotten the Eagles to the Super Bowl, we would have been inundated
with
> a plethora of stories about his skin color, about how we have a black QB
in the
> Super Bowl, and we would have to hear about Doug Williams at every
opportunity.
>
> I personally don't think McNabb is as good as everybody says he is; his
record
> over the 2001-2002 seasons has a lot to do with the strong defenses he had
in
> Philly. He is a very good QB who has benefitted from having a terrific
defense
> behind him.

Is McNabb more overrated than, say, Kurt Warner was? Warner was a "very
good
QB" (but not any more) who benefitted from having one of the most underrated
superstars in NFL history at RB. Limbaugh could have called McNabb
overrated
without playing the race card.

And believe me, he knew he was playing it. Whatever you think of Limbaugh,
one thing he is not is stupid. He knew exactly what he was saying and what
the likely reaction would be - after all, his whole livelihood is based on
saying
things and getting a reaction to them. What his motives were, I don't know
for sure. But it's interesting to note that "McNabbgate" has conveniently
overshadowed other recent revelations that he may have been buying
illegal drugs.

- Gary Rosen
said he was overrated

Gary Rosen · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 71

"Mpoconnor7" wrote in message@mb-m12.aol.com...
> >The media over the years has created a few stars who didn't deserve
> >the attention (Darryl Strawberry for one)
>
> I have to disagree with this point. Strawberry (and this applies to his
buddy
> Dwight Gooden also) was a legitimately great player who would have been a
first
> ballot HOFer had he not gotten mixed up with drugs. He was probably a
little
> overrated by the New York media, as they tend to do at times,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That just shows how cynical Limbaugh's comment was. Athlete's get overrated
(or underrated) all the time for all kinds of reasons - they play in New
York,
they schmooze the sportswriters, they have some kind of touching hard-luck
story etc. Limbaugh deliberately brought in race to create a controversy.

- Gary Rosen

Gary Rosen · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 71

"Gary Rosen" wrote in message$cF.176594@rwcrnsc53...

> And believe me, he knew he was playing it. Whatever you think of
Limbaugh,
> one thing he is not is stupid. He knew exactly what he was saying and
what
> the likely reaction would be - after all, his whole livelihood is based on
> saying
> things and getting a reaction to them. What his motives were, I don't
know
> for sure. But it's interesting to note that "McNabbgate" has conveniently
> overshadowed other recent revelations that he may have been buying
> illegal drugs.

Just to be clear, I was obviously talking about Limbaugh buying drugs,
not McNabb.

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- Gary Rosen

philip · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 10

"James M. Gibson" wrote in message@140.142.17.37...
> mpoconnor7@aol.comnojunk (Mpoconnor7) wrote in
> @mb-m27.aol.com:

> > If Tom Jackson or Michael Irvin had made the same exact comment,
> > nobody would have lost their jobs and there would be no picketing
> > and protests, and they would have wound up in Rudy Martzke USA Today
> > TV Sports column under the "strongest comments" category. I
> > seriously doubt we would have seen Al Sharpton calling for Tom
> > Jackson or Michael Irvin to be fired from ESPN for making that
> > comment. It's good to see that double standards are alive and well
> > in this country.
>
> You just made up an entire hypothetical and then used said
> hypothetical to prove there was a double standard. I don't think you
> can let that fly. You can't prove things by making up hypotheticals.

He's making a valid comment based on recent history of controversial racial
statments made by black people who didn't garner the same reaction that
Rush's statement received. ie. Dusty Baker or Charles Barkley. I think you
could safely assume that Tom Jackson or Michael Irvin would still be working
on ESPN if they had made a similar statement to what Rush said. To say
otherwise would be naive.

> >
> > I think there was some truth in what Rush said. If McNabb had
> > managed to have won one of the two NFC Championship games that his
> > team lost in 2001 and 2002, and had gotten the Eagles to the Super
> > Bowl, we would have been inundated with a plethora of stories about
> > his skin color, about how we have a black QB in the Super Bowl, and
> > we would have to hear about Doug Williams at every opportunity.
>
>
> I seriously doubt it. We watch NFL shows all the time now talk about
> Vick, McNabb, McNair, and Brooks without any reference to their race.
> It's not 1987 any more. I think the black QB to Super Bowl would be a
> non-story.

I think it should be a non-story, but it would still be a story no matter
what you or I think.

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philip · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 10

"Tarkus" wrote in message$.dlg@tarkus.karnevil9.com...
> On 04 Oct 2003 12:57:15 GMT, BDarnell1966 wrote:
>
> > If Stewart, or Smith or Carter were white they wouldnt be in the nfl.
>
> That might be the dumbest thing said in this entire thread.
>
> Congratulations.

No it isn't. In regards to Stewart and Smith, I think it might be true.

James M. Gibson · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 4

"santolina" wrote in$dpldr$1@ID-78591.news.uni-berlin.de:

> Maybe, but we're talking about two separate issues. One is whether
> McNabb is overrated, and I myself would even agree with that to some
> degree. The second, and most important, issue is that Limbaugh
> connected McNabb's alleged overratedness to his race. If there is
> even the tiniest scintilla of evidence for this conjecture I'm
> willing to hear it.

I agree that McNabb might be overrated. But it's because NFL analysis
has been taken over by fantasy players. And fantasy value is confused
with NFL value. McNabb has been an excellent fantasy QB the past three
years.

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James M. Gibson · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 4

"philip" wrote in$ye3.116@news02.roc.ny:

>
> He's making a valid comment based on recent history of controversial
> racial statments made by black people who didn't garner the same
> reaction that Rush's statement received. ie. Dusty Baker or Charles
> Barkley. I think you could safely assume that Tom Jackson or
> Michael Irvin would still be working on ESPN if they had made a
> similar statement to what Rush said. To say otherwise would be
> naive.

As has been pointed out, Reggie White in fact did lose his announcing gig
for his race comments. So I'm not being naive. Just making up
hypotheticals like that and claiming what happens is certainly not valid.

>>
>>
>> I seriously doubt it. We watch NFL shows all the time now talk
>> about Vick, McNabb, McNair, and Brooks without any reference to
>> their race. It's not 1987 any more. I think the black QB to Super
>> Bowl would be a non-story.
>
> I think it should be a non-story, but it would still be a story no
> matter what you or I think.

I must have missed all those stories when McNair took the Titans to the
Super Bowl when they played the Rams.

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