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Steve Dufour
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 9:32 pm Post subject: Rush was right about McNabb and Media |
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Salon
sports nut
Rush Limbaugh Was Right
Donovan McNabb isn't a great quarterback, and the media do overrate
him because he is black.
By Allen Barra
Posted Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 3:33 PM PT
Limbaugh leaves over unfair football flap
In his notorious ESPN comments last Sunday night, Rush Limbaugh said
he never thought the Philadelphia Eagles' Donovan McNabb was "that
good of a quarterback."
If Limbaugh were a more astute analyst, he would have been even
harsher and said, "Donovan McNabb is barely a mediocre quarterback."
But other than that, Limbaugh pretty much spoke the truth. Limbaugh
lost his job for saying in public what many football fans and analysts
have been saying privately for the past couple of seasons.
Let's review: McNabb, he said, is "overrated ... what we have here is
a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous
that a black quarterback can do well—black coaches and black
quarterbacks doing well."
"There's a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit
for the performance of his team that he didn't deserve. The defense
carried this team."
Let's take the football stuff first. For the past four seasons, the
Philadelphia Eagles have had one of the best defenses in the National
Football League and have failed to make it to the Super Bowl primarily
because of an ineffective offense—an offense run by Donovan McNabb.
McNabb was a great college quarterback, in my estimation one of the
best of the '90s while at Syracuse. (For the record, I helped persuade
ESPN Magazine, then called ESPN Total Sports, to put him on the cover
of the 1998 college-football preview issue.) He is one of the most
talented athletes in the NFL, but that talent has not translated into
greatness as a pro quarterback.
McNabb has started for the Eagles since the 2000 season. In that time,
the Eagles offense has never ranked higher than 10th in the league in
yards gained. In fact, their 10th-place rank in 2002 was easily their
best; in their two previous seasons, they were 17th in a 32-team
league. They rank 31st so far in 2003.
In contrast, the Eagles defense in those four seasons has never ranked
lower than 10th in yards allowed. In 2001, they were seventh; in 2002
they were fourth; this year they're fifth. It shouldn't take a
football Einstein to see that the Eagles' strength over the past few
seasons has been on defense, and Limbaugh is no football Einstein,
which is probably why he spotted it.
The news that the Eagles defense has "carried" them over this period
should be neither surprising nor controversial to anyone with access
to simple NFL statistics—or for that matter, with access to a
television. Yet, McNabb has received an overwhelming share of media
attention and thus the credit. Now why is this?
Let's look at a quarterback with similar numbers who also plays for a
team with a great defense. I don't know anyone who would call Brad
Johnson one of the best quarterbacks in pro football—which is how
McNabb is often referred to. In fact, I don't know anyone who would
call Brad Johnson, on the evidence of his 10-year NFL career, much
more than mediocre. Yet, Johnson's NFL career passer rating, as of
last Sunday, is 7.3 points higher than McNabb's (84.8 to 77.5), he has
completed his passes at a higher rate (61.8 percent to 56.4 percent),
and has averaged significantly more yards per pass (6.84 to 5.91).
McNabb excels in just one area, running, where he has gained 2,040
yards and scored 14 touchdowns to Johnson's 467 and seven. But McNabb
has also been sacked more frequently than Johnson—more than once, on
average, per game, which negates much of the rushing advantage.
In other words, in just about every way, Brad Johnson has been a more
effective quarterback than McNabb and over a longer period.
And even if you say the stats don't matter and that a quarterback's
job is to win games, Johnson comes out ahead. Johnson has something
McNabb doesn't, a Super Bowl ring, which he went on to win after his
Bucs trounced McNabb's Eagles in last year's NFC championship game by
a score of 27-10. The Bucs and Eagles were regarded by everyone as
having the two best defenses in the NFL last year. When they played in
the championship game, the difference was that the Bucs defense
completely bottled up McNabb while the Eagles defense couldn't stop
Johnson.
In terms of performance, many NFL quarterbacks should be ranked ahead
of McNabb. But McNabb has represented something special to all of us
since he started his first game in the NFL, and we all know what that
is.
Limbaugh is being excoriated for making race an issue in the NFL. This
is hypocrisy. I don't know of a football writer who didn't regard the
dearth of black NFL quarterbacks as one of the most important issues
in the late '80s and early '90s. (The topic really caught fire after
1988, when Doug Williams of the Washington Redskins became the first
black quarterback to win a Super Bowl.)
So far, no black quarterback has been able to dominate a league in
which the majority of the players are black. To pretend that many of
us didn't want McNabb to be the best quarterback in the NFL because
he's black is absurd. To say that we shouldn't root for a quarterback
to win because he's black is every bit as nonsensical as to say that
we shouldn't have rooted for Jackie Robinson to succeed because he was
black. (Please, I don't need to be reminded that McNabb's situation is
not so difficult or important as Robinson's—I'm talking about a
principle.)
Consequently, it is equally absurd to say that the sports media
haven't overrated Donovan McNabb because he's black. I'm sorry to have
to say it; he is the quarterback for a team I root for. Instead of
calling him overrated, I wish I could be admiring his Super Bowl
rings. But the truth is that I and a great many other sportswriters
have chosen for the past few years to see McNabb as a better player
than he has been because we want him to be.
Rush Limbaugh didn't say Donovan McNabb was a bad quarterback because
he is black. He said that the media have overrated McNabb because he
is black, and Limbaugh is right. He didn't say anything that he
shouldn't have said, and in fact he said things that other
commentators should have been saying for some time now. I should have
said them myself. I mean, if they didn't hire Rush Limbaugh to say
things like this, what they did they hire him for? To talk about the
prevent defense?
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Kafou Lobo
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 12:49 am Post subject: Re: Rush was right about McNabb and Media |
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On 2 Oct 2003 17:32:09 -0700, stevejdufour@yahoo.com (Steve Dufour)
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At the risk of sounding sexist.... shouldn't Eileen Barra be writing
about girly sports.... like volley-ball?
Kafou "Sorry, I just could NOT resist." Lobo |
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Mudda Lann Newz Servus
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 5:06 am Post subject: Re: Rush was right about McNabb and Media |
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"Kafou Lobo" wrote in message@4ax.com...
> On 2 Oct 2003 17:32:09 -0700, stevejdufour@yahoo.com (Steve Dufour)
> wrote:
>
> :
>
> At the risk of sounding sexist.... shouldn't Eileen Barra be writing
> about girly sports.... like volley-ball?
>
> Kafou "Sorry, I just could NOT resist making myself look like an ass."
Lobo
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wolf again
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Rush was right about McNabb and Media |
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stevejdufour@yahoo.com (Steve Dufour) wrote in message news:...
> Salon
>
> sports nut
>
>
> Rush Limbaugh Was Right
> Donovan McNabb isn't a great quarterback, and the media do overrate
> him because he is black.
> By Allen Barra
> Posted Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 3:33 PM PT
>
>
>
> Limbaugh leaves over unfair football flap
you got it exactly right! saved me a lot of time posting same. the
very thing rush said has brought his targets, the pc liberal media, to
totally verify their cowardly pc agenda. this is a money making opp.
bet against mcnabb until he can beat the spread. yesterday was another
win for non-pc betters. mcnabb now has even greater pressure to
justify his liberal media's defence. cash in!
> But other than that, Limbaugh pretty much spoke the truth. Limbaugh
> lost his job for saying in public what many football fans and analysts
> have been saying privately for the past couple of seasons.
>
> Let's review: McNabb, he said, is "overrated ... what we have here is
> a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous
> that a black quarterback can do well?black coaches and black
> quarterbacks doing well."
>
> "There's a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit
> for the performance of his team that he didn't deserve. The defense
> carried this team."
>
> Let's take the football stuff first. For the past four seasons, the
> Philadelphia Eagles have had one of the best defenses in the National
> Football League and have failed to make it to the Super Bowl primarily
> because of an ineffective offense?an offense run by Donovan McNabb.
> McNabb was a great college quarterback, in my estimation one of the
> best of the '90s while at Syracuse. (For the record, I helped persuade
> ESPN Magazine, then called ESPN Total Sports, to put him on the cover
> of the 1998 college-football preview issue.) He is one of the most
> talented athletes in the NFL, but that talent has not translated into
> greatness as a pro quarterback.
>
> McNabb has started for the Eagles since the 2000 season. In that time,
> the Eagles offense has never ranked higher than 10th in the league in
> yards gained. In fact, their 10th-place rank in 2002 was easily their
> best; in their two previous seasons, they were 17th in a 32-team
> league. They rank 31st so far in 2003.
>
> In contrast, the Eagles defense in those four seasons has never ranked
> lower than 10th in yards allowed. In 2001, they were seventh; in 2002
> they were fourth; this year they're fifth. It shouldn't take a
> football Einstein to see that the Eagles' strength over the past few
> seasons has been on defense, and Limbaugh is no football Einstein,
> which is probably why he spotted it.
>
> The news that the Eagles defense has "carried" them over this period
> should be neither surprising nor controversial to anyone with access
> to simple NFL statistics?or for that matter, with access to a
> television. Yet, McNabb has received an overwhelming share of media
> attention and thus the credit. Now why is this?
>
> Let's look at a quarterback with similar numbers who also plays for a
> team with a great defense. I don't know anyone who would call Brad
> Johnson one of the best quarterbacks in pro football?which is how
> McNabb is often referred to. In fact, I don't know anyone who would
> call Brad Johnson, on the evidence of his 10-year NFL career, much
> more than mediocre. Yet, Johnson's NFL career passer rating, as of
> last Sunday, is 7.3 points higher than McNabb's (84.8 to 77.5), he has
> completed his passes at a higher rate (61.8 percent to 56.4 percent),
> and has averaged significantly more yards per pass (6.84 to 5.91).
> McNabb excels in just one area, running, where he has gained 2,040
> yards and scored 14 touchdowns to Johnson's 467 and seven. But McNabb
> has also been sacked more frequently than Johnson?more than once, on
> average, per game, which negates much of the rushing advantage.
>
> In other words, in just about every way, Brad Johnson has been a more
> effective quarterback than McNabb and over a longer period.
>
> And even if you say the stats don't matter and that a quarterback's
> job is to win games, Johnson comes out ahead. Johnson has something
> McNabb doesn't, a Super Bowl ring, which he went on to win after his
> Bucs trounced McNabb's Eagles in last year's NFC championship game by
> a score of 27-10. The Bucs and Eagles were regarded by everyone as
> having the two best defenses in the NFL last year. When they played in
> the championship game, the difference was that the Bucs defense
> completely bottled up McNabb while the Eagles defense couldn't stop
> Johnson.
>
> In terms of performance, many NFL quarterbacks should be ranked ahead
> of McNabb. But McNabb has represented something special to all of us
> since he started his first game in the NFL, and we all know what that
> is.
>
> Limbaugh is being excoriated for making race an issue in the NFL. This
> is hypocrisy. I don't know of a football writer who didn't regard the
> dearth of black NFL quarterbacks as one of the most important issues
> in the late '80s and early '90s. (The topic really caught fire after
> 1988, when Doug Williams of the Washington Redskins became the first
> black quarterback to win a Super Bowl.)
>
> So far, no black quarterback has been able to dominate a league in
> which the majority of the players are black. To pretend that many of
> us didn't want McNabb to be the best quarterback in the NFL because
> he's black is absurd. To say that we shouldn't root for a quarterback
> to win because he's black is every bit as nonsensical as to say that
> we shouldn't have rooted for Jackie Robinson to succeed because he was
> black. (Please, I don't need to be reminded that McNabb's situation is
> not so difficult or important as Robinson's?I'm talking about a
> principle.)
>
> Consequently, it is equally absurd to say that the sports media
> haven't overrated Donovan McNabb because he's black. I'm sorry to have
> to say it; he is the quarterback for a team I root for. Instead of
> calling him overrated, I wish I could be admiring his Super Bowl
> rings. But the truth is that I and a great many other sportswriters
> have chosen for the past few years to see McNabb as a better player
> than he has been because we want him to be.
>
> Rush Limbaugh didn't say Donovan McNabb was a bad quarterback because
> he is black. He said that the media have overrated McNabb because he
> is black, and Limbaugh is right. He didn't say anything that he
> shouldn't have said, and in fact he said things that other
> commentators should have been saying for some time now. I should have
> said them myself. I mean, if they didn't hire Rush Limbaugh to say
> things like this, what they did they hire him for? To talk about the
> prevent defense? |
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eflorack
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: Rush was right about McNabb and Media |
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stevejdufour@yahoo.com (Steve Dufour) wrote in message news:...
> Salon
>
> sports nut
>
>
> Rush Limbaugh Was Right
> Donovan McNabb isn't a great quarterback, and the media do overrate
> him because he is black.
> By Allen Barra
> Posted Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 3:33 PM PT
Allen seems to have this one nailed.
But consider the words of SLATE as quoted in my blog earlier today:
Is Limbaugh right about McNab?
I think so.
So do the numbers. The left leaning SLATE seems to, as well.
"I don't know anyone who would call Brad Johnson one of the best
quarterbacks in pro football—which is how McNabb is often referred to.
In fact, I don't know anyone who would call Brad Johnson, on the
evidence of his 10-year NFL career, much more than mediocre. Yet,
Johnson's NFL career passer rating, as of last Sunday, is 7.3 points
higher than McNabb's (84.8 to 77.5), he has completed his passes at a
higher rate (61.8 percent to 56.4 percent), and has averaged
significantly more yards per pass (6.84 to 5.91). McNabb excels in
just one area, running, where he has gained 2,040 yards and scored 14
touchdowns to Johnson's 467 and seven. But McNabb has also been sacked
more frequently than Johnson—more than once, on average, per game,
which negates much of the rushing advantage.
In other words, in just about every way, Brad Johnson has been a more
effective quarterback than McNabb and over a longer period. "
Those excellent points aside, perhaps the biggest point, in all of
this....In a leauge where teams are punished for hiring coaches of the
wrong color, how can we argue that over-protecting someone of a
particular race isn't happening?
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ROBW
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 12:29 am Post subject: Re: Rush was right about McNabb and Media |
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"Effective"?
Go back over the last three years and tell me what team won more games.
Tell me which QB was in the NFC Championship Game the last two years.
Tell me which QB was a top draft pick.
Show me where Donovan is "overprotected." (have any friends in Philly? get
them to send you the papers or tell you the content of the sports talk
station after McNabb has a bad game.)
And teams are not "punished" for hiring coaches.
There is a rule in the interview process. Yes, they must interview a certain
number of minority candidates. If you're talking about Marriucci and the
Lions, no black coach wanted to interview because they knew it was a charade
and that Detroit wanted the former SF coach, If you follow sports at all,
you would remember that the Detroit management had given the previous Lion's
coach (sorry, I forget his name) a "vote of confidence" just before Steve
Marriucci was fired by the 49er's.
I would suggest that you know what you're talking about before your next
post.
robw
--
"Sing while you may" Edward Ka-Spel
"eflorack" wrote in message@posting.google.com...
> stevejdufour@yahoo.com (Steve Dufour) wrote in message
news:...
> > Salon
> >
> > sports nut
> >
> >
> > Rush Limbaugh Was Right
> > Donovan McNabb isn't a great quarterback, and the media do overrate
> > him because he is black.
> > By Allen Barra
> > Posted Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 3:33 PM PT
>
>
> Allen seems to have this one nailed.
>
> But consider the words of SLATE as quoted in my blog earlier today:
>
> Is Limbaugh right about McNab?
> I think so.
> So do the numbers. The left leaning SLATE seems to, as well.
>
> "I don't know anyone who would call Brad Johnson one of the best
> quarterbacks in pro football-which is how McNabb is often referred to.
> In fact, I don't know anyone who would call Brad Johnson, on the
> evidence of his 10-year NFL career, much more than mediocre. Yet,
> Johnson's NFL career passer rating, as of last Sunday, is 7.3 points
> higher than McNabb's (84.8 to 77.5), he has completed his passes at a
> higher rate (61.8 percent to 56.4 percent), and has averaged
> significantly more yards per pass (6.84 to 5.91). McNabb excels in
> just one area, running, where he has gained 2,040 yards and scored 14
> touchdowns to Johnson's 467 and seven. But McNabb has also been sacked
> more frequently than Johnson-more than once, on average, per game,
> which negates much of the rushing advantage.
>
>
> In other words, in just about every way, Brad Johnson has been a more
> effective quarterback than McNabb and over a longer period. "
>
> Those excellent points aside, perhaps the biggest point, in all of
> this....In a leauge where teams are punished for hiring coaches of the
> wrong color, how can we argue that over-protecting someone of a
> particular race isn't happening?
>
>
>
>
> Posted by: 10/6/2003 10:41:56 AM |
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Andrew Duston
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 2:34 am Post subject: Re: Rush was right about McNabb and Media |
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On 6 Oct 2003 07:53:20 -0700, wolf@provide.net (wolf again) wrote:
> you got it exactly right! saved me a lot of time posting same. the
>very thing rush said has brought his targets, the pc liberal media, to
>totally verify their cowardly pc agenda. this is a money making opp.
>bet against mcnabb until he can beat the spread. yesterday was another
>win for non-pc betters. mcnabb now has even greater pressure to
>justify his liberal media's defence. cash in!
I know we're not supposed to respond to trolls, but I just couldn't
resist this...I count three "politically correct"s and two "liberal
media"s in just this short "paragraph" alone! Six lines!
This must be what life is like on the far-right lunatic fringe. A fun
game if one could stomach lurking in such an area would be to count
how many "politically correct"s and "liberal media"s they can cram
into one paragraph. I bet the all-time record has this guy beat by a
Midland, Texas mile!
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eflorack
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: Rush was right about McNabb and Media |
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"ROBW" wrote in message news:...
> "Effective"?
>
> Go back over the last three years and tell me what team won more games.
So, you can't win games with a less than top notch QB? |
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ROBW
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: Rush was right about McNabb and Media |
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Apparently not any of the other 31 teams.
Right?
robw
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"Sing while you may" Edward Ka-Spel
"eflorack" wrote in message@posting.google.com...
> "ROBW" wrote in message
news:...
> > "Effective"?
> >
> > Go back over the last three years and tell me what team won more games.
>
>
> So, you can't win games with a less than top notch QB? |
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eflorack
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Rush was right about McNabb and Media |
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"ROBW" wrote in message news:...
> Apparently not any of the other 31 teams.
>
> Right?
>
So, nobody else had a good season, eh?
Face it, the Philly offense hasn't been overly produtive. It's the
defense that's been winning their games... a point which the numbers
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ROBW
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 2:54 am Post subject: Re: Rush was right about McNabb and Media |
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That so?
Last year the Eagles set a team record for points scored.
What numbers you got, all star?
robw
--
"Sing while you may" Edward Ka-Spel
"eflorack" wrote in message@posting.google.com...
> "ROBW" wrote in message
news:...
> > Apparently not any of the other 31 teams.
> >
> > Right?
> >
>
> So, nobody else had a good season, eh?
> Face it, the Philly offense hasn't been overly produtive. It's the
> defense that's been winning their games... a point which the numbers
> bear out. |
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eflorack
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 11:23 am Post subject: Re: Rush was right about McNabb and Media |
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"ROBW" wrote in message news:...
> That so?
> Last year the Eagles set a team record for points scored.
>
> What numbers you got, all star?
Consider Slate:
"I don't know anyone who would call Brad Johnson one of the best
quarterbacks in pro football—which is how McNabb is often referred to.
In fact, I don't know anyone who would call Brad Johnson, on the
evidence of his 10-year NFL career, much more than mediocre. Yet,
Johnson's NFL career passer rating, as of last Sunday, is 7.3 points
higher than McNabb's (84.8 to 77.5), he has completed his passes at a
higher rate (61.8 percent to 56.4 percent), and has averaged
significantly more yards per pass (6.84 to 5.91). McNabb excels in
just one area, running, where he has gained 2,040 yards and scored 14
touchdowns to Johnson's 467 and seven. But McNabb has also been sacked
more frequently than Johnson—more than once, on average, per game,
which negates much of the rushing advantage.
In other words, in just about every way, Brad Johnson has been a more
effective quarterback than McNabb and over a longer period. " |
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Heavyarms
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: Rush was right about McNabb and Media |
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"ROBW" wrote in message@comcast.com...
> "Effective"?
>
> Go back over the last three years and tell me what team won more games.
Philly = 34. Oakland has won 33, Pitt. has won 32, four teams have won 31.
But you are right, Philly HAS won more games than anyone else in the last
three years.
> Tell me which QB was in the NFC Championship Game the last two years.
Tell me what QB's have been to the Super Bowl in the last two years.
> Tell me which QB was a top draft pick.
Plunkett, Bartkowski, Elway, Testaverde, Aikman, George, Bledsoe, Manning.
Those were all number one picks.
Oh, did you mean "Top picks" that are playing BETTER than McNabb? OK...
Manning, McNair, Bledsoe, Brees, Maddox, Culpepper, heck, Tom Brady who was
selected in the 18th round is playing better than Donovan.
> Show me where Donovan is "overprotected." (have any friends in Philly? get
> them to send you the papers or tell you the content of the sports talk
> station after McNabb has a bad game.)
>
> And teams are not "punished" for hiring coaches.
> There is a rule in the interview process. Yes, they must interview a
certain
> number of minority candidates. If you're talking about Marriucci and the
> Lions, no black coach wanted to interview because they knew it was a
charade
> and that Detroit wanted the former SF coach, If you follow sports at all,
> you would remember that the Detroit management had given the previous
Lion's
> coach (sorry, I forget his name) a "vote of confidence" just before Steve
> Marriucci was fired by the 49er's.
Marty Morningwheg. Of course the interview process was an act. They wanted
Mariucci (the BEST candidate for the job, in their view) yet they STILL had
to go through the act of interviewing a minority coach because the NFL said
they had to. That's asinine. You want to talk about charades, let's talk
about a policy where teams are required talk to minority when selecting a
head coach when they already have a person in mind.
>
> I would suggest that you know what you're talking about before your next
> post.
>
You want facts? McNabb isn't even the best BLACK quarterback in the NFL,
let alone overall. Here are McNabb's career stats vs. the other black (and
better, IMO) QBs in the league. Stats are passer rating, completion
percentage, passing yds per game, career passing TDs, Rushing yards per
game, and rushing TDs
McNabb: 77.0, 56.3%, 181.0, 72 TDs, 35.4, 14 TDs
McNair: 82.7, 59.1%, 185.9, 116 TDs, 27.8, 32 TDs
Culpepper: 86.3, 62.2%, 232.3, 70 TDs, 33.7, 24 TDs
McNabb only leads in rushing yards per game. Now, let's compare him to some
of the less than outstanding black QBs
Blake: 78.9, 56.4%, 188.6, 124 TDs,
Brooks: 79.3, 55.8%, 220.5, 67 TDs
Both Blake and Brooks rate better, Blake has a slightly higher completion
percentage (and he been playing for about 50 years), and both have passed
for more yards Per Game. Brooks is right behind McNabb in passing TDs,
despite only being a starter for 45 games to McNabb's 58, almost a whole
season's difference.
> robw
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ROBW
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: Rush was right about McNabb and Media |
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Well, first off, that doesn't negate the fact that the record was set, so I
guess it just wasn't the defense.....eh?
Johnson had a higher rating last week, but a funny thing happened.
The Eagles won, the Bucs lost.
I would suggest you ask Tampa Coach Gruden whether he would rather have a QB
with stats, or a win.
By the way, the writer also states an inaccuracy.
He says that McNabb's rushing yards are negated by his sacks.
That is incorrect.
If a QB drops back to pass and is sacked, the yards do not come off his
rushing totals. There is another provision for him making some kind of
attempt to advance the ball where that scenario would take place.
Keep trying.
robw
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"Sing while you may" Edward Ka-Spel
"eflorack" wrote in message@posting.google.com...
> "ROBW" wrote in message
news:...
> > That so?
> > Last year the Eagles set a team record for points scored.
> >
> > What numbers you got, all star?
>
> Consider Slate:
>
> "I don't know anyone who would call Brad Johnson one of the best
> quarterbacks in pro football-which is how McNabb is often referred to.
> In fact, I don't know anyone who would call Brad Johnson, on the
> evidence of his 10-year NFL career, much more than mediocre. Yet,
> Johnson's NFL career passer rating, as of last Sunday, is 7.3 points
> higher than McNabb's (84.8 to 77.5), he has completed his passes at a
> higher rate (61.8 percent to 56.4 percent), and has averaged
> significantly more yards per pass (6.84 to 5.91). McNabb excels in
> just one area, running, where he has gained 2,040 yards and scored 14
> touchdowns to Johnson's 467 and seven. But McNabb has also been sacked
> more frequently than Johnson-more than once, on average, per game,
> which negates much of the rushing advantage.
>
>
> In other words, in just about every way, Brad Johnson has been a more
> effective quarterback than McNabb and over a longer period. " |
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ROBW
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 11:51 pm Post subject: Re: Rush was right about McNabb and Media |
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Tell you what, you take the stats, I'll take the wins.
Oh, and that list of QB's playing better this year......fine, where were
they over the three year period I mentioned. (Brees, are you serious?)
How many of them have played in Conference Championship games more than
once?
Are you a sport's fan?
Tell us about intangibles.
Like leadership.
Like having a sub par game but still coming up big at the end.
And I noticed you answered all points but skipped the one where I asked how
Donovan has gotten a free ride in Philly.
robw
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"Sing while you may" Edward Ka-Spel
"Heavyarms" wrote in message@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "ROBW" wrote in message
> @comcast.com...
> > "Effective"?
> >
> > Go back over the last three years and tell me what team won more games.
>
> Philly = 34. Oakland has won 33, Pitt. has won 32, four teams have won
31.
> But you are right, Philly HAS won more games than anyone else in the last
> three years.
>
> > Tell me which QB was in the NFC Championship Game the last two years.
>
> Tell me what QB's have been to the Super Bowl in the last two years.
>
> > Tell me which QB was a top draft pick.
>
> Plunkett, Bartkowski, Elway, Testaverde, Aikman, George, Bledsoe, Manning.
> Those were all number one picks.
>
> Oh, did you mean "Top picks" that are playing BETTER than McNabb? OK...
> Manning, McNair, Bledsoe, Brees, Maddox, Culpepper, heck, Tom Brady who
was
> selected in the 18th round is playing better than Donovan.
>
> > Show me where Donovan is "overprotected." (have any friends in Philly?
get
> > them to send you the papers or tell you the content of the sports talk
> > station after McNabb has a bad game.)
> >
> > And teams are not "punished" for hiring coaches.
> > There is a rule in the interview process. Yes, they must interview a
> certain
> > number of minority candidates. If you're talking about Marriucci and the
> > Lions, no black coach wanted to interview because they knew it was a
> charade
> > and that Detroit wanted the former SF coach, If you follow sports at
all,
> > you would remember that the Detroit management had given the previous
> Lion's
> > coach (sorry, I forget his name) a "vote of confidence" just before
Steve
> > Marriucci was fired by the 49er's.
>
> Marty Morningwheg. Of course the interview process was an act. They
wanted
> Mariucci (the BEST candidate for the job, in their view) yet they STILL
had
> to go through the act of interviewing a minority coach because the NFL
said
> they had to. That's asinine. You want to talk about charades, let's talk
> about a policy where teams are required talk to minority when selecting a
> head coach when they already have a person in mind.
>
> >
> > I would suggest that you know what you're talking about before your next
> > post.
> >
>
> You want facts? McNabb isn't even the best BLACK quarterback in the NFL,
> let alone overall. Here are McNabb's career stats vs. the other black
(and
> better, IMO) QBs in the league. Stats are passer rating, completion
> percentage, passing yds per game, career passing TDs, Rushing yards per
> game, and rushing TDs
>
> McNabb: 77.0, 56.3%, 181.0, 72 TDs, 35.4, 14 TDs
> McNair: 82.7, 59.1%, 185.9, 116 TDs, 27.8, 32 TDs
> Culpepper: 86.3, 62.2%, 232.3, 70 TDs, 33.7, 24 TDs
>
> McNabb only leads in rushing yards per game. Now, let's compare him to
some
> of the less than outstanding black QBs
>
> Blake: 78.9, 56.4%, 188.6, 124 TDs,
> Brooks: 79.3, 55.8%, 220.5, 67 TDs
>
> Both Blake and Brooks rate better, Blake has a slightly higher completion
> percentage (and he been playing for about 50 years), and both have passed
> for more yards Per Game. Brooks is right behind McNabb in passing TDs,
> despite only being a starter for 45 games to McNabb's 58, almost a whole
> season's difference.
>
> > robw
> >
> >
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