Hall/Chiefs/Broncos

Dave & Janelle · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 6

3 thoughts to share with the class:

1) Great game
2) On that final punt return, an obvious illegal block in the back sprung
Hall free around the left side. Shoulda been called.
3) Denver was world-class moronically stupid to punt it to Hall. Hall is
beyond amazing... just punt OB and DEN takes home the W

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bryan K · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 45

"Mpoconnor7" wrote in message@mb-m29.aol.com...
> >3 thoughts to share with the class:
> >
> >1) Great game
> >2) On that final punt return, an obvious illegal block in the back sprung
> >Hall free around the left side. Shoulda been called.
> >3) Denver was world-class moronically stupid to punt it to Hall. Hall is
> >beyond amazing... just punt OB and DEN takes home the W
>
> Hall has eleven games in which to get one more KR/PR return for TD to set
the
> record. I got to thinking today about how many returns for TD's it would
take
> to make him the most valuable player in the league this season. If he
were to
> return, say, ten kicks for TD's this season, it would certainly be an
unusual
> record but would it really be more important than a receiver who catches
ten
> passes for TD's?
> A number of people before the season were predicting the Chiefs to go to
the
> Super Bowl, and at this point it's looking like a solid pick. If the
Chiefs
> are one of those teams who "run away" with the NFL title like the 85 Bears
or
> 94 Niners or 92 Cowboys or 98 Broncos, then if Hall gets three or four
more
> returns for TD then I think a strong MVP argument can be made for him.

It can be made, but not if Priest Holmes gets twice as many rushing.

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Mpoconnor7 · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 129

>3 thoughts to share with the class:
>
>1) Great game
>2) On that final punt return, an obvious illegal block in the back sprung
>Hall free around the left side. Shoulda been called.
>3) Denver was world-class moronically stupid to punt it to Hall. Hall is
>beyond amazing... just punt OB and DEN takes home the W

Hall has eleven games in which to get one more KR/PR return for TD to set the
record. I got to thinking today about how many returns for TD's it would take
to make him the most valuable player in the league this season. If he were to
return, say, ten kicks for TD's this season, it would certainly be an unusual
record but would it really be more important than a receiver who catches ten
passes for TD's?
A number of people before the season were predicting the Chiefs to go to the
Super Bowl, and at this point it's looking like a solid pick. If the Chiefs
are one of those teams who "run away" with the NFL title like the 85 Bears or
94 Niners or 92 Cowboys or 98 Broncos, then if Hall gets three or four more
returns for TD then I think a strong MVP argument can be made for him.

Michael O'Connor - Modern Renaissance Man

"The likelihood of one individual being correct increases in a direct
proportion to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong"
James Mason from the movie "Heaven Can Wait".

bigsky · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

Hall wasn't even given the game ball for the game! Vermile awarded it
to the Personel Director! What a cheap shot... Hall was difference in
this game.

mpoconnor7@aol.comnojunk (Mpoconnor7) wrote in message news:...
> >3 thoughts to share with the class:
> >
> >1) Great game
> >2) On that final punt return, an obvious illegal block in the back sprung
> >Hall free around the left side. Shoulda been called.
> >3) Denver was world-class moronically stupid to punt it to Hall. Hall is
> >beyond amazing... just punt OB and DEN takes home the W
>
> Hall has eleven games in which to get one more KR/PR return for TD to set the
> record. I got to thinking today about how many returns for TD's it would take
> to make him the most valuable player in the league this season. If he were to
> return, say, ten kicks for TD's this season, it would certainly be an unusual
> record but would it really be more important than a receiver who catches ten
> passes for TD's?
> A number of people before the season were predicting the Chiefs to go to the
> Super Bowl, and at this point it's looking like a solid pick. If the Chiefs
> are one of those teams who "run away" with the NFL title like the 85 Bears or
> 94 Niners or 92 Cowboys or 98 Broncos, then if Hall gets three or four more
> returns for TD then I think a strong MVP argument can be made for him.
>
> Michael O'Connor - Modern Renaissance Man
>
> "The likelihood of one individual being correct increases in a direct
> proportion to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong"
> James Mason from the movie "Heaven Can Wait".

Tarkus · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 167

On 7 Oct 2003 03:21:48 -0700, bigsky wrote:

> Hall wasn't even given the game ball for the game! Vermile awarded it
> to the Personel Director! What a cheap shot... Hall was difference in
> this game.

Maybe Hall's trophy case is getting too full. Wink

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Mpoconnor7 · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 129

>> Hall wasn't even given the game ball for the game! Vermile awarded it
>> to the Personel Director! What a cheap shot... Hall was difference in
>> this game.
>
>Maybe Hall's trophy case is getting too full. Wink

He probably won the Game Ball for the previous week when he won the game with a
late return for a TD and maybe Vermeil didn't want to give it to the same guy
two weeks in a row.

Michael O'Connor - Modern Renaissance Man

"The likelihood of one individual being correct increases in a direct
proportion to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong"
James Mason from the movie "Heaven Can Wait".

Tarkus · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 167

On 08 Oct 2003 03:39:24 GMT, Mpoconnor7 wrote:

>>> Hall wasn't even given the game ball for the game! Vermile awarded it
>>> to the Personel Director! What a cheap shot... Hall was difference in
>>> this game.
>>
>>Maybe Hall's trophy case is getting too full. Wink

>
> He probably won the Game Ball for the previous week when he won the game with a
> late return for a TD and maybe Vermeil didn't want to give it to the same guy
> two weeks in a row.

Not only that, but Vermeil's family mantra has always included everyone
contributing to the team, not just players, so I have no problem with him
giving an occasional perk to a deserving suit. It's not like he doesn't
give plenty to his players.
--
"You guys (the media) were acting like they (Pittsburgh's interior
linemen) were as good as Will Shields, Casey (Wiegmann) and (Brian)
Waters. Every week we play somebody, it's a step down from what we go
through in practice." - Ryan Sims

Now playing: "Utopia - Bring Me My Longbow"

Kurgan Gringioni · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 66

"Mpoconnor7" wrote in message@mb-m29.aol.com...
> >3 thoughts to share with the class:
> >
> >1) Great game
> >2) On that final punt return, an obvious illegal block in the back sprung
> >Hall free around the left side. Shoulda been called.
> >3) Denver was world-class moronically stupid to punt it to Hall. Hall is
> >beyond amazing... just punt OB and DEN takes home the W
>
> Hall has eleven games in which to get one more KR/PR return for TD to set
the
> record. I got to thinking today about how many returns for TD's it would
take
> to make him the most valuable player in the league this season. If he were
to
> return, say, ten kicks for TD's this season, it would certainly be an
unusual
> record but would it really be more important than a receiver who catches
ten
> passes for TD's?

Yes.

Because he is a difference maker. A receiver who catches 10 TDs is
replaceable, Hall is not. The 10-TD receiver does not elevate his offensive
unit above the average to the same degree that Hall elevates the special
teams unit.

If the other teams start kicking out of bounds, that's 10-15 yards difference
in field position on every single exchange. In the closely competitive NFL,
that's huge.

Kurgan Gringioni · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 66

"Kevin Logemann" wrote in message$bdb$1@mailgate2.lexis-nexis.com...
> In article ,
> "Kurgan Gringioni" writes:
> |>
> |>If the other teams start kicking out of bounds, that's 10-15 yards
difference
> |>in field position on every single exchange. In the closely competitive
NFL,
> |>that's huge.
>
> Not quite sure where you came up with the 10-15 yards difference per
> exchange.
>
> The football field is only 50 yards wide.
>
> The gross punting average in the NFL is approx 44 yards per punt.
>
> Angled to the nearest sideline, the 44 yard punt would actually travel
> approx. 36 yards in field distance.

The punters aren't super-accurate like that.

To be safe and get it out, away from Hall, they have to angle it even more,
to account for the tolerance factor.

Also, when 'aiming', they don't use full leg power, sort of like when a
golfer doesn't swing as hard as he can if he wants to hit the fairway.

Heavyarms · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 115

"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in
message %Ygb.77927$qj6.2754466@news1.news.adelphia.net...
>
> "Mpoconnor7" wrote in message
> @mb-m29.aol.com...
> > >3 thoughts to share with the class:
> > >
> > >1) Great game
> > >2) On that final punt return, an obvious illegal block in the back
sprung
> > >Hall free around the left side. Shoulda been called.
> > >3) Denver was world-class moronically stupid to punt it to Hall. Hall
is
> > >beyond amazing... just punt OB and DEN takes home the W
> >
> > Hall has eleven games in which to get one more KR/PR return for TD to
set
> the
> > record. I got to thinking today about how many returns for TD's it
would
> take
> > to make him the most valuable player in the league this season. If he
were
> to
> > return, say, ten kicks for TD's this season, it would certainly be an
> unusual
> > record but would it really be more important than a receiver who catches
> ten
> > passes for TD's?
>
>
>
> Yes.
>
> Because he is a difference maker. A receiver who catches 10 TDs is
> replaceable, Hall is not. The 10-TD receiver does not elevate his
offensive

Really? Ask the Jags how replaceable Jimmy Smith was.

> unit above the average to the same degree that Hall elevates the special
> teams unit.
>
>
> If the other teams start kicking out of bounds, that's 10-15 yards
difference
> in field position on every single exchange. In the closely competitive
NFL,
> that's huge.
>
>

Kurgan Gringioni · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 66

"Heavyarms" wrote in message@corp.supernews.com...
season. If he
> were
> > to
> > > return, say, ten kicks for TD's this season, it would certainly be an
> > unusual
> > > record but would it really be more important than a receiver who
catches
> > ten
> > > passes for TD's?
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > Because he is a difference maker. A receiver who catches 10 TDs is
> > replaceable, Hall is not. The 10-TD receiver does not elevate his
> offensive
>
> Really? Ask the Jags how replaceable Jimmy Smith was.

He could be replaced by Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Marvin Harrison, etc.

Who could duplicate Dante Hall? No one.

Heavyarms · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 115

"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in
message $qj6.5217930@news1.news.adelphia.net...
>
> "Heavyarms" wrote in message
> @corp.supernews.com...
> >
>
> > > Who could duplicate Dante Hall? No one.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > With your above statement "A WR that catches 10 TDs is replaceable" you
> seem
> > to suggest that a team can easily replace a good wide-out. You can't
> > replace a good wide-out with players on another team. Sure, Moss, TO
and
> > Marvin are all great receivers, but the Jags couldn't "replace" Jimmy
Smith
> > with them, they aren't on the Jags roster! That being said, I bet you
> there
> > are at least half a dozen guys in the NFL that could return kicks as
well
> as
> > Hall if they were playing for the Chiefs.
>
>
>
> You're kidding yourself. No one can return kicks like Hall.
>
>

You're telling me that, given the exceptional blocking (and clipping) the
Cheifs return unit provides, there is no other player in the NFL that is as
fast, and can cut and see holes as well as Dante' Hall? Michael Lewis of
the Saints proved that all you need to be a great kick returner is speed.
He was driving a freakin' beer truck in 2001, then came in and gained 760
return yards in the last half of that season. He then gained 1800 return
yards in 2002. Hall's stats weren't that good in 2002. So apparently
someone CAN return kicks like Hall.

Kurgan Gringioni · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 66

"Heavyarms" wrote in message@corp.supernews.com...
>

> > Who could duplicate Dante Hall? No one.
> >
> >
>
> With your above statement "A WR that catches 10 TDs is replaceable" you
seem
> to suggest that a team can easily replace a good wide-out. You can't
> replace a good wide-out with players on another team. Sure, Moss, TO and
> Marvin are all great receivers, but the Jags couldn't "replace" Jimmy Smith
> with them, they aren't on the Jags roster! That being said, I bet you
there
> are at least half a dozen guys in the NFL that could return kicks as well
as
> Hall if they were playing for the Chiefs.

You're kidding yourself. No one can return kicks like Hall.

Kurgan Gringioni · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 66

"Heavyarms" wrote in message@corp.supernews.com...
>
> >
> > You're kidding yourself. No one can return kicks like Hall.
> >
> >
>
> You're telling me that, given the exceptional blocking (and clipping) the
> Cheifs return unit provides, there is no other player in the NFL that is as
> fast, and can cut and see holes as well as Dante' Hall?

Yes.

Did you see that return against the Broncos? He didn't get blocking - went
back to the 5, then the 2 yard line, then the Broncos lost their discipline,
smelling safety, collapsed their lanes, then the Chiefs finally got their
blocking together and Hall went all the way. That sort of thing isn't
planned - it's talent showing itself.

Same goes for Marcus Allen's cutback touchdown vs. the Redskins in the
Oakland/Washington Super Bowl.

Another thing about the blocking - it gets much better if the blockers know
their man can take it all the way.

One of the adage's in today's NFL is that the teams are very even (due to
free agency) and it's only 5 or 10 plays/game that make the difference
between winning and losing. There aren't that many individuals who
consistently are difference makers in the league. This year, Dante Hall is
one of them.

Heavyarms · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 115

"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in
message $qj6.5383454@news1.news.adelphia.net...
>
> "Heavyarms" wrote in message
> @corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > >
> > > You're kidding yourself. No one can return kicks like Hall.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > You're telling me that, given the exceptional blocking (and clipping)
the
> > Cheifs return unit provides, there is no other player in the NFL that is
as
> > fast, and can cut and see holes as well as Dante' Hall?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes.
>
>
> Did you see that return against the Broncos? He didn't get blocking - went
> back to the 5, then the 2 yard line, then the Broncos lost their
discipline,
> smelling safety, collapsed their lanes, then the Chiefs finally got their
> blocking together and Hall went all the way. That sort of thing isn't
> planned - it's talent showing itself.
>

I did see the return. I saw one very blatant and another possible clip on
the return. If the zebras are paying attention, that return comes back.
I'm not saying that Dante' Hall isn't good. He's extremely fast and cuts
like Marcus Allen used to. I am saying that he isn't the only one in the
NFL that can do it, given the right circumstances.

> Same goes for Marcus Allen's cutback touchdown vs. the Redskins in the
> Oakland/Washington Super Bowl.
>
>
> Another thing about the blocking - it gets much better if the blockers
know
> their man can take it all the way.
>

That's ridiculous. They block because they KNOW the guy will go? Uh uh.
You block because you know if you don't, the guy isn't gonna go.

>
> One of the adage's in today's NFL is that the teams are very even (due to
> free agency) and it's only 5 or 10 plays/game that make the difference
> between winning and losing. There aren't that many individuals who
> consistently are difference makers in the league. >

Ahh, parity. Parity is great if your talent pool isn't dilluted. The NFL
has 32 teams. 32 times 53, that's almost 1700 players. Parity hasn't been
helping the Bengals much, has it?

>This year, Dante Hall is
> one of them.
>

No doubt.