[Chris Mihos]

On Feb 20, 12:37 am, Google Beta User wrote:
> On Feb 19, 10:30 pm, Chris Mihos wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 19, 3:37 pm, Google Beta User wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 18, 9:23 pm, Chris Mihos wrote:
>
> > > > *now*, yes.
>
> > > > in 3 trillion years, all the stars existing in the galaxy today will
> > > > have died out, and by that time there will likely be no new stars
> > > > being formed, and so the night sky will be very dark indeed. of course
> > > > our own sun will have died out well before *that*.
>
> > > > such is life.
>
> > > Mihos, are you a Big Cruncher, or a Big Freezer, or a neither?
>
> > not sure what you mean
>
> Big Crunch theory is one.
>
> Big Freeze I've read is the theory that on a long enough time scale,
> space will expand so much that temperatures in the entire universe
> will approach absolute zero.

Ah. This is basically what Enslin asked about. As I said to him
earlier in this thread, all evidence points towards expansion
forever.

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[David V. Loewe, Jr]

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:43:03 -0800 (PST), Melvin Purvis
wrote:

>On Feb 19, 10:03 pm, John Rogers wrote:
>> jimbrown...@yahoo.com. we live in a world that has walls, and those
>> walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You?
>> You, jimbrown...@yahoo.com?
>>
>> >Now out in the middle of nowhere we DO see all kinds of stars.  On
>> >these cold winter nights it seems like we can see millions.  Are there
>> >a lot more that we cant see?
>>
>> Nothing like a crystal clear night sky out in the middle of the ocean.
>>
>> There's a lot of things about being in the Navy that I still *don't*
>> miss... this is one of them that I do.
>
>Try Montana or the South Dakota badlands on a moonless night. Or, for
>that matter, the Utah Canyonlands. First the sunset turning the
>countryside blood-red. Then the STARS.

Northern Nevada on a December night...

Anyone else (and I know most of you probably have) read Nightfall by
Asimov?
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[E.F. Hokie]

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:28:52 -0600, David V. Loewe, Jr wrote...

> Anyone else (and I know most of you probably have) read Nightfall by
> Asimov?

Considering that I have approximately 100 of his stories floating around
the house, it's rather amazing that I don't have a copy of 'Nightfall'.

It's now on the list for the next trip to the book shop. Thanks for the
reminder, David.

--
E.F. Hokie

[KilgoreTrout]

On Feb 19 2008 11:26 AM, Chris Mihos wrote:

> On Feb 19, 8:46 am, Jon Enslin wrote:
> > On Feb 18, 8:23 pm, Chris Mihos wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 18, 9:02 pm, John Rogers wrote:
> >
> > > > Jon Enslin . we live in a world that has walls,
> > > > and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do
> > > > it? You? You, Jon Enslin ?
> >
> > > > >Your colleague at Case is mentioned in Tuesday Morning Quarterback and
> > > > >you aren't?
> >
> > > > >http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/080212
> >
> > > > >"Lawrence Krauss of Case Western Reserve University, one of the hot
> > > > >names in physics, is first author of this fascinating paper. The paper
> > > > >predicts that 3 trillion years from now, the universe will have
> > > > >expanded to such vastness, and its edges accelerated to such speeds,
> > > > >that an observer in our galaxy, the Milky Way, will not be able to see
> > > > >any other galaxy."
> >
> > > > >He's a "hot name?"
> >
> > > > >It's time to step up or polish up the ole vitae.
> >
> > > > If we only saw the stars in our OWN galaxy, the sky would still be
> > > > darned full of stars though, right?
> >
> > > *now*, yes.
> >
> > > in 3 trillion years, all the stars existing in the galaxy today will
> > > have died out, and by that time there will likely be no new stars
> > > being formed, and so the night sky will be very dark indeed. of course
> > > our own sun will have died out well before *that*.
> >
> > > such is life.
> >
> > Isn't there a constant regeneration of stars due to supernovas and the
> > like?
>
> That can extend the star-forming lifecycle of the galaxy somewhat, but
> the timescales we're talking about here (trillions of years) are much
> much beyond that.
>

Entropy's a bitch.

> > Also, at some time wouldn't there have to be a Big Contraction back
> > from the Big Bang,
>
> nope.
>
> > or is the momentum of the BB enough to overcome
> > gravity indefinately?
>
> if you believe the "dark energy" stuff, the expansion of the universe
> is accelerating with time, so no recollapse.

I thought the accelerated rate of expansion had been documented rather
rigorously? Regardless of the current best-candidate in terms of a
causative agent.

>
> and if you don't believe that, then there's still not enough mass in
> the universe to overcome the current expansion rate.
>
> so either way, no recollapse of the universe.

Looks that way. I don't know that it's absolutely written in stone,
though. They certainly weren't expecting to find our expansion
accelerating over time, right? Interpretations change.

Cheers.

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Principal's List -1991

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[Dennis J]

hey, "David V. Loewe, Jr" , all the best songs
are ABBA songs and you had to say????...

>On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:43:03 -0800 (PST), Melvin Purvis
> wrote:
>
>>On Feb 19, 10:03 pm, John Rogers wrote:
>>> jimbrown...@yahoo.com. we live in a world that has walls, and those
>>> walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You?
>>> You, jimbrown...@yahoo.com?
>>>
>>> >Now out in the middle of nowhere we DO see all kinds of stars.  On
>>> >these cold winter nights it seems like we can see millions.  Are there
>>> >a lot more that we cant see?
>>>
>>> Nothing like a crystal clear night sky out in the middle of the ocean.
>>>
>>> There's a lot of things about being in the Navy that I still *don't*
>>> miss... this is one of them that I do.
>>
>>Try Montana or the South Dakota badlands on a moonless night. Or, for
>>that matter, the Utah Canyonlands. First the sunset turning the
>>countryside blood-red. Then the STARS.
>
>Northern Nevada on a December night...

or... Aircraft Carrier at night anywhere but in port...
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