[Trent Woodruff]

>On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:19:00 -0800 (PST), Dan Bretta wrote:
>>On Feb 19, 7:48 pm, Trent Woodruff wrote:
>>>On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:16:34 -0000, Chris Bellomy wrote:
>>>>Trent Woodruff wrote:

>>>> nor did he run from Hezbollah.

>>>Really? What do you call the big bugout of Marines after their
>>>barracks got bombed in '83? Standing tall?

>> A well-reasoned response, quite frankly. It was absolutely the right
>> thing to do.

>Please explain why? They murdered 250 of our Marines. I'll confess
>I'm pretty ignorant to the who was allied with who in the middle east
>when I was 16 years old, but I haven't heard very many people defend
>Reagan's inaction in that instance. Not even from die hard
>Reaganites.

Because it simply wasn't worth it.

It was a terrible thing, yes...but we were pretty new to the Middle
Eastern terrorism world and I don't think fully understood the
implications of what happened then.

People don't defend it because they want us to always react to any
spilling of American blood. Particularly conservatives are overly
concerned with our appearance of strength. But sometimes, that
response doesn't fit. Pick your battles, as they say.



--


....I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When
you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I
dismiss yours.
- Stephen Roberts

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[E.F. Hokie]

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:33:13 -0800 (PST), Dan Bretta wrote...

> > > "I never really liked vanilla ice cream" doesn't mean the person liked
> > > vanilla ice cream somewhat, it means they never liked it. In that
> > > case "liked" == "really liked." I don't believe it changes her words
> > > very much regardless.
> >
> > Different usage; I refuse to believe you're ignorant of this, and
> > therefore discount the above as spin... ergo, dishonesty.
> >
> > Why're you so afraid of Obama, Mr. Enright?
> >
> He's afraid one of Obama's kids might take his kids spot at UMich.
> Duh.

I didn't know Enright had step-children.


--
E.F. Hokie

"To those who have fought for it,
freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."

[Chris Bellomy]

Trent Woodruff wrote:
>>On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:25:15 -0000, Chris Bellomy wrote:
>>>Anthony Summers wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:45:04 -0000, Chris Bellomy wrote...
>
>>>> Face it, being proud of this country over the last thirty years
>>>> is like being proud of the country in "Idiocracy." Pretty much
>>>> exactly like it.
>>>> Methinks you should probably put your smelling salts away, nut
>>>> up, and clue in a little. Just sayin'.
>
>>> Wow... are you serious?
>>> There's such a thing as going too far, you know... you're losing it (or
>>> have lost it), Mr. Bellomy. Get a grip. You don't have to like the
>>> current politicians to be proud of your country.
>
>>Who elects the politicians?
>>Who tunes in to the most rancid tabloid television? To American
>>Idol?
>>Who puts the worst dreck at the top of the pop music charts?
>>Who lets Anthony Summers post to Usenet?
>
> You truly believe that freedom is NOT the way to go, don't you?

Yeah, that's why I called for a government clampdown on
stupidity here.

Well, except for the I-never-did-any-such-thing part.

You make weird illogical jumps.

[Chris Bellomy]

Eric Kemp wrote:
> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> John Rogers wrote:
>>> "What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a
>>> comeback. It is making a comeback. And let me tell you something --
>>> FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY ADULT LIFETIME, I AM REALLY PROUD OF MY
>>> COUNTRY. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I
>>> think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see
>>> our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in
>>> my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to
>>> be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud."
>>
>> Face it, being proud of this country over the last thirty years
>> is like being proud of the country in "Idiocracy." Pretty much
>> exactly like it.
>>
>> Methinks you should probably put your smelling salts away, nut
>> up, and clue in a little. Just sayin'.
>
> You really need to get drunk and get laid.

Thank you. You're exactly right. Where did my mellow go?

cb

[Chris Bellomy]

Dan Bretta wrote:
> On Feb 19, 7:48 pm, Trent Woodruff wrote:
>> >On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:16:34 -0000, Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> >>Trent Woodruff wrote:
>> >>>On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:02:49 -0000, Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> >>>>Trent Woodruff wrote:
>> >>>>>On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:27:43 -0000, Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> >>>>>>Dan S. wrote:
>> >>>>>> We've got a ways to go, but I wouldn't say that the last thirty years
>> >>>>>> were shamful ...
>> >>>>>I guess you wouldn't.
>> >>>>>Here, let me spell it out for you:
>> >>>>>Reagan Reagan Bush Clinton Clinton Gore Bush.
>> >>>>>I rest my case.
>> >>>> Your rested case needs to be woken up.
>> >>>> Reagan wasn't the monster you imagine him to be, nor were any of the
>> >>>> above other than Bush Last. He doesn't get the credit/blame for the
>> >>>> last 30 years.
>> >>>Reagan was a genocidal idiot who ran from Hezbollah and negotiated
>> >>>with the Iranians. But he looked good on TV!
>> >>>Idiocracy, dude.
>> >> Idiocracy, indeed. Reagan was certainly NOT genocidal,
>> >200,000 dead Guatemalans beg to differ.
>>
>> You're not sane, are you?
>>
>> >> nor did he run from Hezbollah.
>> >Really? What do you call the big bugout of Marines after their
>> >barracks got bombed in '83? Standing tall?
>>
>> A well-reasoned response, quite frankly. It was absolutely the right
>> thing to do.
>>
> Please explain why? They murdered 250 of our Marines. I'll confess
> I'm pretty ignorant to the who was allied with who in the middle east
> when I was 16 years old, but I haven't heard very many people defend
> Reagan's inaction in that instance. Not even from die hard
> Reaganites.

Well, Hezbollah was/is a Shia operation funded by the Iranians.
Reagan was busy negotiating with the Iranians. Do the math.

[Chris Bellomy]

Dan Bretta wrote:
> On Feb 19, 10:47 pm, Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> Dan Bretta wrote:
>> > On Feb 19, 7:48 pm, Trent Woodruff wrote:
>> >> >On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:16:34 -0000, Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> >> >>Trent Woodruff wrote:
>> >> >>>On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:02:49 -0000, Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> >> >>>>Trent Woodruff wrote:
>> >> >>>>>On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:27:43 -0000, Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>Dan S. wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> We've got a ways to go, but I wouldn't say that the last thirty years
>> >> >>>>>> were shamful ...
>> >> >>>>>I guess you wouldn't.
>> >> >>>>>Here, let me spell it out for you:
>> >> >>>>>Reagan Reagan Bush Clinton Clinton Gore Bush.
>> >> >>>>>I rest my case.
>> >> >>>> Your rested case needs to be woken up.
>> >> >>>> Reagan wasn't the monster you imagine him to be, nor were any of the
>> >> >>>> above other than Bush Last. He doesn't get the credit/blame for the
>> >> >>>> last 30 years.
>> >> >>>Reagan was a genocidal idiot who ran from Hezbollah and negotiated
>> >> >>>with the Iranians. But he looked good on TV!
>> >> >>>Idiocracy, dude.
>> >> >> Idiocracy, indeed. Reagan was certainly NOT genocidal,
>> >> >200,000 dead Guatemalans beg to differ.
>>
>> >> You're not sane, are you?
>>
>> >> >> nor did he run from Hezbollah.
>> >> >Really? What do you call the big bugout of Marines after their
>> >> >barracks got bombed in '83? Standing tall?
>>
>> >> A well-reasoned response, quite frankly. It was absolutely the right
>> >> thing to do.
>>
>> > Please explain why? They murdered 250 of our Marines. I'll confess
>> > I'm pretty ignorant to the who was allied with who in the middle east
>> > when I was 16 years old, but I haven't heard very many people defend
>> > Reagan's inaction in that instance. Not even from die hard
>> > Reaganites.
>>
>> Well, Hezbollah was/is a Shia operation funded by the Iranians.
>> Reagan was busy negotiating with the Iranians. Do the math.
>
> So he didn't even pull his backdoor dealings with the Iranians after
> they funded a hit on the US Marines?
>
> Despicable.

HE LOOKED GOOD ON TV!!!!

THEY SHOULD RENAME THE COUNTRY FOR HIM!!!!

!!!

[Tom Enright]

On Feb 20, 8:59 am, Renata wrote:



> Of course, now that the low-interest speculative orgy is over; there's
> bound to be a painful unwind of hyper-inflated assets, falling home
> prices, tumbling stock markets, increased unemployment, and a
> generalized credit-contraction throughout the real economy."
> (quoted from an article by Mike Whitney)

You forgot to add: ", I hope."

-Tom Enright

"Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton said that if she became president, the
federal government would take a more active role in the economy to
address what she called the excesses of the market and of the Bush
administration."

> Renata

[Renata]

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:51:22 -0800 (PST), Emperor Wonko the Sane
wrote:
>
>Well let's see. We were on the verge of double digit unemployment and
>inflation (currently 4.9% and 3%, respectively).

Sure - as long as you don't count the folks unemployed more than 6
months. Or the folks who had to take significant cuts in salary.

And inflation is really funny. They sorta don't count food and fuel.
And estimate I recently heard/read is that inflation is really at
~17%. You buy anything lately? Really think it's only 3%? And,
you're aware that the dollar has lost 60% of its value? And, it's not
done yet (so hold off on the fork)?

-snip-
>
>Currently there's debate about whether there will be anything
>approaching a recession. The biggest economic problem is that too
>many people who never would have been able to buy a house before might
>lose their house.

Did ya hear Bernanke's little speech to the Senate Banking Committee
last thursday? Probably not since most of the newspapers and TV news
shows didn't bother mentioning it. Don't want to have folks thinking
doom and gloom - they might stop shopping. 'Course, they sorta are
waking up anyway.

But, here's a short summary:
"The banks are battered by their massive subprime liabilities. Housing
is in the tank. Manufacturing is down. Food and energy are up.
Unemployment is rising. And consumer spending has shriveled to the
size of an acorn.
....
Of course, now that the low-interest speculative orgy is over; there's
bound to be a painful unwind of hyper-inflated assets, falling home
prices, tumbling stock markets, increased unemployment, and a
generalized credit-contraction throughout the real economy."
(quoted from an article by Mike Whitney)


Renata

>
>It takes a special kind of blindness to think the current good times
>are anywhere near as bleak as the late '70s.
>
>Doug

[David V. Loewe, Jr]

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:41:54 -0000, Chris Bellomy
wrote:

>Dude, Jack Tripper was living with two hot chicks! OK, one hot
>chick and a so-so one.

?

The blondes were hot too...

>That ruled.
--
"I thought that you might have some advice to give ...
On how to be... Insensitive."
- Jann Arden

[David V. Loewe, Jr]

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:19:51 -0000, Chris Bellomy
wrote:

>Eric Kemp wrote:
>> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>>> John Rogers wrote:

>>>> "What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a
>>>> comeback. It is making a comeback. And let me tell you something --
>>>> FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY ADULT LIFETIME, I AM REALLY PROUD OF MY
>>>> COUNTRY. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I
>>>> think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see
>>>> our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in
>>>> my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to
>>>> be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud."
>>>
>>> Face it, being proud of this country over the last thirty years
>>> is like being proud of the country in "Idiocracy." Pretty much
>>> exactly like it.
>>>
>>> Methinks you should probably put your smelling salts away, nut
>>> up, and clue in a little. Just sayin'.
>>
>> You really need to get drunk and get laid.
>
>Thank you. You're exactly right. Where did my mellow go?

It turned yellow and is out chasing Saffron...
--
"It is hard to believe that a man is telling the truth when you know
that you would lie if you were in his place."
- Robert Heinlein

[Edward M. Kennedy]

"J. Hugh Sullivan" wrote

> Maybe he needs to learn that the world did not begin 40 years ago and
> that liberals started making loud noises about the time of Viet Nam.
> I've forgotten the drug they used to help them do that. So many drugs,
> so many liberals, so little time.

So your excuse is that the nurse dropped you on your head?

--Tedward

[Edward M. Kennedy]

"J. Hugh Sullivan" wrote

>>>> Of course, now that the low-interest speculative orgy is over; there's
>>>> bound to be a painful unwind of hyper-inflated assets, falling home
>>>> prices, tumbling stock markets, increased unemployment, and a
>>>> generalized credit-contraction throughout the real economy."
>>>> (quoted from an article by Mike Whitney)
>>>
>>> You forgot to add: ", I hope."
>>
>>You're so cute when you're desperate.
>
> Being cute should not matter to you unless you need a male prostitute.

Typical Christian hypocrite! Rags on gays but is a closet
prostitute.

--Tedward

[David V. Loewe, Jr]

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:55:21 -0000, Chris Bellomy
wrote:

>David V. Loewe, Jr wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 04:22:30 -0000, Chris Bellomy
>> wrote:
>>>Glen Heiman wrote:
>>>> "Chris Bellomy" wrote:
>>>>> J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
>>>>> > On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:45:04 -0000, Chris Bellomy
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >>John Rogers wrote:
>>
>>>>> >>> "What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a
>>>>> >>> comeback. It is making a comeback. And let me tell you something --
>>>>> >>> FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY ADULT LIFETIME, I AM REALLY PROUD OF MY
>>>>> >>> COUNTRY. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I
>>>>> >>> think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see
>>>>> >>> our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in
>>>>> >>> my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to
>>>>> >>> be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud."
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>Face it, being proud of this country over the last thirty years
>>>>> >>is like being proud of the country in "Idiocracy." Pretty much
>>>>> >>exactly like it.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>Methinks you should probably put your smelling salts away, nut
>>>>> >>up, and clue in a little. Just sayin'.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Another thought is that the 30 years you fault coincides with the rise
>>>>> > of liberalism since the 50s.
>>>>>
>>>>> Um, Grand Wizard Sullivan? Liberalism crested in 1964. It's been
>>>>> a steady diet of conservative rule ever since. You can kinda, you
>>>>> know, check the election results and see that.
>>>>
>>>> As you wish.
>>>> In the 60 years ending with George H. W. Bush's last year in office:
>>>
>>>Sixty years?!
>>
>> Do you deny that laws passed long ago are still in effect (though
>> modified) and are still affecting how the country is run? Does the
>> term Social Security ring *any* bells, Chris?
>
>Yeah, the 13th Amendment still applies, too, but that doesn't
>have anything to do with Michelle Obama's lifetime, except of
>course that she isn't a slave because of it.

It's a pretty important effect, don't ya think?
--
"I have discovered the art of deceiving diplomats. I speak the truth,
and they never believe me."
- Conte Camillo Benso di Cavour

[Chris Bellomy]

Trent Woodruff wrote:
>>On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:08:03 -0800 (PST), Dan Bretta wrote:
>>>On Feb 19, 10:47 pm, Chris Bellomy wrote:
>>>> Dan Bretta wrote:
>
>>>> I'm pretty ignorant to the who was allied with who in the middle east
>>>> when I was 16 years old, but I haven't heard very many people defend
>>>> Reagan's inaction in that instance. Not even from die hard
>>>> Reaganites.
>
>>> Well, Hezbollah was/is a Shia operation funded by the Iranians.
>>> Reagan was busy negotiating with the Iranians. Do the math.
>
>>So he didn't even pull his backdoor dealings with the Iranians after
>>they funded a hit on the US Marines?
>>Despicable.
>
> Please don't fall for Bellomy's lunacy.

Well, you can't argue with that!

OK, Trent, which of the following statements is false?

1. Hezbollah perpetrated the barracks bombing.
2. Hezbollah was/is a Shia operation funded by Iran.
3. Reagan was involved in secret negotiations with Tehran in 1983.

Feel free to introduce any exculpatory evidence I'm leaving out.

Thanks.

cb

[Chris Bellomy]

Tom Enright wrote:
> On Feb 20, 8:59 am, Renata wrote:
>
>
>
>> Of course, now that the low-interest speculative orgy is over; there's
>> bound to be a painful unwind of hyper-inflated assets, falling home
>> prices, tumbling stock markets, increased unemployment, and a
>> generalized credit-contraction throughout the real economy."
>> (quoted from an article by Mike Whitney)
>
> You forgot to add: ", I hope."

You're so cute when you're desperate.